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    Pembroke was granted to Jasper Tudor in 1452 as seat for the newly created Earldom of Pembroke. Certainly, such grant acknowledged the Welsh ancestry of Tudor and the kindred with the King, because Pembroke was the largest and most powerful castle in all Wales. Such a powerful fortress serves as seat for Jasper Tudor, until his titles were forfeited in 1462, the castle was briefly owned by the Herbert family, but it was restored to Henry Tudor, as his uncle's sole heir, in 1464. A fair decision, for Tudor was born in that castle in 1456. Henry Tudor not only has lands in Wales, but also owns numerous manors and locations in Somerset, where her mother's lands lay.


    • Pembroke Castle: The Welsh Marches are littered with the most formidable castles of the English, and Pembroke - originally a wooden fortress, rebuilt in stone by the famous William Marshal - is no exception. As it is built on a promontory and conveniently surrounded by the waters of Cleddau Estuary, an attacking force would have to storm its thickest walls and towers. Pembroke Castle also has a great round keep where the defenders can hold out even longer should the outer defenses fail for whatever reason. +6 Siege rolls, -6 Raid rolls, and the castle's central keep is strong enough that a defender who loses its outer walls can hold out there for half a year more (3.5 days).


    Demesne and income
    Dorset:
    3. Blandford - Prosperous Income. TUDOR. 350.

    Somerset:
    9. Bridgwater - Prosperous Income. TUDOR. 350.
    10. Langport - Prosperous Income. TUDOR. 350.
    16. Williton/Dunster - Average Income. TUDOR. 300.

    Richmond:
    6. Wath - Average Income. TUDOR. 300.
    8. Richmond - Average Income. TUDOR. 300.

    Pembroke:
    2. Haverford - Prosperous Income. TUDOR. 350.
    4. Camaes - Prosperous Income. TUDOR. 350.

    Carmathenshire:
    3. Carmarthen/Llansteffan/Laugharne - Average Income. TUDOR. 300.

    TOTAL=2,950 pounds/year.
    +7,5% Haggler
    +5% Austere
    +15% Wealth
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    3,800 pounds/year

    Improvements

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    Lord and Household







    HENRY TUDOR
    2nd Earl of Richmond, 2nd Earl of Pembroke

    Born 1456 (25).

    Status: Married to Lady Anne Holland.
    Children: Margaret Tudor (1472-1473), Arthur Tudor (1473), Henry Tudor (1480), Mary Tudor (1481).
    Titles: 2nd Earl of Richmond, 2nd Earl of Pembroke.
    Seat: Pembroke Castle and Margaret Beaufort's numerous properties.

    Traits (6):
    +3 Wealth.
    +2 Charisma.
    +1 Survival.

    Phlegmatic:
    - Austere: This character disdains pomp and pageantry, instead preferring a plain & simple (the uncharitable might say 'rigidly spartan') lifestyle. +5% income, -1 Charisma.
    - Empathic: This character is strongly attuned to the emotions of others and cares for them, making them great friends or kinsmen to have - but poor warriors and generals. +2 Charisma, -1 to battle/joust/duel rolls.

    Melancholic:
    - Haggler: This character is obsessed with getting the best possible deal for themselves, and ever watchful (even paranoid) for anyone trying to rip them off. This sort of fellow is rarely the sort others like, but none can deny their ability to sniff for gold. +7,5% income and improves loot from raids, -2 Charisma.

    BIOGRAPHY:
    The
    Tudors were relatively obscure and unimportant until Owen Tudor found himself in bed with a widow: coincidentally, the widow was Catherine of Valois, mother of Henry VI and wife of the English Mars, Henry V. She fathered several children by the Welshman, including Edmund, the eldest, and Jasper, who were uterine brothers to Henry of Lancaster. Around 1442 Henry VI, childless and lacking relations, acknowledged his half-brothers and both were ennobled: Edmund was created Earl of Richmond (a prestigious title formerly held by the Dukes of Brittany and more recently by John, duke of Bedford) and Jasper Earl of Pembroke. Willing to tie his living relatives closer, Henry VI married his distant cousin, Margaret Beaufort (who before Edward of Westminster’s birth was once considered his heir by the Commons) to Edmund, furthermore she was the 1st Duke of Somerset only heir, which made her a quite wealthy heiress.

    However, in 1456, Edmund died prematurely, of bubonic plague, while he was prisoner of Richard of York during the first stages of the War of the Roses. He left a very young widow, Margaret, pregnant of six months: three months later she delivered a boy called after the king, Henry. A very thin, aquiline-nosed, charming and bright child he grew under the tutelage of Jasper Tudor, his paternal uncle. The Earl of Pembroke was dispossessed of his titles in 1462, after the battle of Towton, and had to flee, unfortunately bereft of his tutor Margaret herself took the reins and assumed the regency of Richmond and all the Tudor lands. With the death of Henry Beaufort, Duke of Somerset and Marquis of Dorset without a son, remained the issue of who would inherit whatever lands the family could retain. Finally, in 1464, both Somersetshire and Dorsetshire were granted to Kent and Exeter by royal writ, but in turn Henry Tudor was installed as Earl of Pembroke, instead of Lord Herbert who had occupied the castle and held the title since 1462. In 1471 he married his betrothed Lady Anne Holland, eldest daughter of the Duke of Exeter and his wife, Anne of York, sister to the King Edward IV. His marriage proved fruitful and happy for both, with several children being born in the following years, including three healthy sons, called Arthur, Henry and Edmund, all of apparent good health. During the years of war Tudor himself commited little to the fight, unconcerned with the Yorkist claim to France, but nevertheless had to follow his liege. Still, Tudor is no commander or skilled warrior, prefering to delagate such things into his subordinates and retainers, for he is more comfortable behind a desk than in the battlefield itself or the tilts. He is a surprisingly good administrator, some say even slightly miserly and too concerned with profit and increasing his wealth.

    At twenty-five Henry is tall, rather skinny, aquiline-nosed, with small blue eyes, which are said to have a noticeable animation of expression, and truly bad teeth in a long, sallow face beneath very fair hair. Amiable and high-spirited, Henry Tudor is friendly if dignified in manner, exactly like his mother Lady Margaret Beaufort, whom he greatly resembles both in body and mind. Both Tudor and his mother, Lady Margaret, consider him the rightful heir of Lancaster after the ill-fated, posibly illegitimate and erratic Edward of Lancaster. Not only because his Beaufort ascendance, but also due his close kindred to the pious, noble, gentle and well-intentioned Henry VI, who always favored his half-siblings and nephew.

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    The Earl of Oxford has left Hedingham for the first time since the coronation two years prior, and now arrives before Pembroke Castle with some bad (at least for Tudor and his cause) news to deliver.

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    Lord Tudor arrived, with two greyhounds, a thin-faced boy and a score of retainers, some of them Welsh. He wears autere robes, no matter his income was truly one of the finest among the earls.

    "Oxford, most unexpected visit, I daresay only something serious would have brought you here"

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    "It's indeed a serious matter that brought me here, my lord of Richmond." Oxford stated, his terse bluntness indicating that this was indeed a grave matter. "A Neville bastard, George I think his name was, came by Hedingham maybe a week ago. He informed me that Edward of Lancaster has gathered gold and swords in Bar, and that his affinity is quite confident about pulling off another invasion of England. That invasion may well be imminent - like I said, Neville sounded very confident about their chances. Your thoughts on the matter?" Even Oxford, drunk and depressive as he might be most days, knew that the most obvious Lancastrian heir returning to England would present quite the wrinkle in their plans to crown Tudor king on Lancastrian grounds...would Richmond put his ambitions on hold to aid 'Red Ed', he wondered? Rise against both York and Lancaster? Side with York to extirpate the competition in the short term? Or simply stay neutral and hope the main Lancastrian and Yorkist lines wipe each other out in the coming struggle?

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    "An invasion"

    He gestures towards one of his retainers.

    "Take my son inside, back to his mother"

    He nods, the boy goes with him without complains, he was a good-natured, obedient child.

    "Rhys, you may come with us. Lord Oxford, follow me to the solar, if you may"


    Once between the silence imposed by Pembroke's thick walls, Tudor takes a seat while Rhys ap Thomas remains standing.

    "Those are worrying news, indeed. Edward showing his face, again, is dangerous enough. I doubt the peasantry and most the peerage would even consider my own claims while he lives and breathes"

    He said, defeated.

    "He will rally the men we have for such a long time cared for in his prolonged absence. We will be forced to join his banners, least be condemmed by both York and Lancaster, we cannot afford neutrality"
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    "You are right that we cannot afford neutrality..." Oxford began, carefully considering his words even through a drunken haze. It was a good thing he hadn't gotten drunk enough to be totally useless on the way here, he realized. "But who is to say we should raise them for Lancaster, my lord of Richmond? We've both made our peace with the House of York, and it is a peace that has endured for near twenty years now, is it not? What if we were to march with the Yorkists, to lay the line of Lancaster to eternal rest at last, and then simply wait for an opportunity for your lordship to make your own play for the throne? Considering the speed with which the Queen Mother has been undertaking her recent actions, I don't think we'd have to wait long to realize your own claim, free of competition."

    It was a dangerous gambit, Oxford knew, considering his own brother was known to still be at the Lancastrian court. Still...the De Veres were known to faithfully follow whomever they'd pledged their allegiance to. And Aubrey had chosen Tudor, while Lancaster had gotten his father and closest brother killed. If Richmond truly wished to set aside his claim for now and march with Lancaster, Oxford would oblige, but if he opted to use the Yorkists to clear out his chief competitor first instead - well, he'd oblige that too, considering he was suggesting as much now.

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    Tudor remained silent for a moment. Rhys spoke:

    "My lord, you know Wales would raise for you, none but the Red Dragon can field its strenght"

    Henry raised a hand, pensive.

    "That is a possibility, Rhys, but it might not be true: Gloucester and Glarmogan are in the hands of York and have been for a long time"

    He covers his mouth with a hand. His long face looked longer than usual.

    "This is a difficult decision, Oxford. I know you are by my side, but what about my own father Exeter?"


    Tudor moves on the chair.

    "This is a dangerous gambit, something we cannot afford to lose, because defeat would mean our end"

    Richmond had many lands to call his own, losing them would be a major blow. And he could lose his life and that of his retainers foolishly too.

    "We have to ascertain the threat posed by Lancaster first, but we nevertheless will raise our arms. As soon as we learn what kind of menace my cousin poses, we will act"

    He passes one of his hands through the thin, fair hair.

    "What is your counsel, my Lord? Supporting the Yorkists in this struggle would be painful to us both, like seeing crumble the red roses in the mud against the lion of March, once again. But I have no love for my cousin"

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    "My own brother is with the Lancastrians abroad." Oxford said, shrugging. "We never got along when we were young. Which is ironic, because he likes drink almost as much as I do. But that is besides the point." He still had enough presence of mind to keep himself from flying off onto a rambling tangent. "My point is that he has made his choice, and I've made mine. Now it's time for the both of us to live with the consequences of those choices, and to advise our chosen lieges as effectively as we can." Which was what he was about to do. "It would seem to me that we have more to gain from helping crush Edward of Lancaster than helping to place him on the throne; what if he has children with that newly legitimized bride of his? Or what if he decides the Hollands should come ahead of you in the succession? On the other hand - profess continued loyalty to the House of York in the short term, knock Lancaster out of contention permanently, and you will be free to claim the throne in your own right the next time an opportunity presents itself which, given the state of the Yorkist court and finances right now, will probably not be too far off."

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    A certain Sir George Neville arrives at Pembroke castle and wishes to speak with the lord Pembroke.
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    "My own brother is with the Lancastrians abroad." Oxford said, shrugging. "We never got along when we were young. Which is ironic, because he likes drink almost as much as I do. But that is besides the point." He still had enough presence of mind to keep himself from flying off onto a rambling tangent. "My point is that he has made his choice, and I've made mine. Now it's time for the both of us to live with the consequences of those choices, and to advise our chosen lieges as effectively as we can." Which was what he was about to do. "It would seem to me that we have more to gain from helping crush Edward of Lancaster than helping to place him on the throne; what if he has children with that newly legitimized bride of his? Or what if he decides the Hollands should come ahead of you in the succession? On the other hand - profess continued loyalty to the House of York in the short term, knock Lancaster out of contention permanently, and you will be free to claim the throne in your own right the next time an opportunity presents itself which, given the state of the Yorkist court and finances right now, will probably not be too far off."
    Tudor looks to a side, to the burning fireplace. He remains silent for a while, staring at the dancing flames.

    "We have to be subtle, Oxford"

    The wood grunted in the fireplace, kissed by the raging flames.

    "I will send my mother to Exeter, she will try to ascertain what are Exeter's thoughts on the matter"

    A log broke in half, sparkles flying and falling few inches away. Tudor's eyes return to Oxford.

    "To be sincere, I cannot decide right now, my Lord. I need more information"

    His hand is clenched into a fist.

    "But if necessary, we will personally take care of Lancaster, I'm no meek boy and he poses a larger threat than we might expect"


    Quote Originally Posted by Caterina Sforza View Post
    A certain Sir George Neville arrives at Pembroke castle and wishes to speak with the lord Pembroke.
    He is welcomed into the lordly solar, where Tudor is sitting, the long, lanky legs extended before himself, being warmed by the fire.

    "Speak"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oznerol View Post
    He is welcomed into the lordly solar, where Tudor is sitting, the long, lanky legs extended before himself, being warmed by the fire.

    "Speak"
    ''My Lord Richmond''

    Neville kicked off the conversation, richmond always had been a good Lancastrian, the earl's mother is a Beaufort after all.

    ''Hmm, troublesome times aren't it?'' Neville asked rhetorically, he barely knew the man, only by name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oznerol View Post
    Tudor looks to a side, to the burning fireplace. He remains silent for a while, staring at the dancing flames.

    "We have to be subtle, Oxford"

    The wood grunted in the fireplace, kissed by the raging flames.

    "I will send my mother to Exeter, she will try to ascertain what are Exeter's thoughts on the matter"

    A log broke in half, sparkles flying and falling few inches away. Tudor's eyes return to Oxford.

    "To be sincere, I cannot decide right now, my Lord. I need more information"

    His hand is clenched into a fist.

    "But if necessary, we will personally take care of Lancaster, I'm no meek boy and he poses a larger threat than we might expect"
    "I understand." Oxford said with a curt nod. "If there is nothing else to discuss, I shall retire to Hedingham and await word from you there. Whatever you decide, my lord of Richmond, I shall follow as faithfully as my father and brother followed Henry VI."

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    "You are not here to speak platitudes. The nature of men is flickle and such times are uncertain"

    Said Tudor. He rubs his hands. Pembroke was an enormous and truly cold castle, no matter the number of thick tapestries and wood panels covering some walls.

    "Speak, you have a purpose, don't you"

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    ''Indeed, i confess my visit has a purpose, my lord of Richmond''

    Said Neville Bluntly.

    ''I am sure you are aware of the recent developments involving Lancaster?, it seems he is aiming to recapture the throne, and he seeks allies i hear'' Said Neville, Wales was a traditional stronghold of Lancaster and the Tudors had supported them before so he was confident
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    "He takes our loyalty for granted? After the last debacle? And twenty years of silence and absence, noneless"

    He stares at Nevill. He wavered a hand, like dismissing some thoughts and ending his rant.

    "Excuse me, sir, but I got carried away... Understand this a difficult situation, quite difficult. What has my cousin to offer?"

    Tudor looks simpathetic and amiable, he smiles rather shyly to Sir George.
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    ''It's no problem, my lord, i can understand where you come from''

    Retorted Neville sympathetically, Wallingford had been a disaster and many years have been wasted.

    ''Perhaps Lancaster might want to grant lands in Wales to further consolidate your grip in these lands, maybe even Somerset'' Continued Neville, with a smile.
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    "I understand Somerset has another recipient in the person of my cousin, Edmund. If he still lives, God give him health"

    Inquired Tudor. He makes the sign of the cross.

    "I am your king's closest paternal relative, as my father was brother to his, but he should not take my loyalty for granted after all these years. All these years of misrule of the house of York, the realm unrightfully bereft of the Red Rose..."

    Henry looked seemingly sorrowful, agitated.

    "Do you know how many swords are pledged to my cousin across the channel? How many thousands joined him?"

    Tudor sounded excited at the prospects of a Lancastrian return.

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    ''And with the will of God the realm shall see the Red Rose flower once again as it should be so''

    Said Neville, the white rose was but tearing itself apart, much to Neville's pleasure.

    ''Lancaster wields many thousands of soldiers, you see the duchy of Bar is very rich in income, more than those yorkists can ever imagine'' Said Neville, he did not know about the contract signed ofcourse, but he liked to impress others to trick them.
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    "The will of God indeed"

    Said Tudor with a smile.

    "Tell my cousin I'm willing to hear whatever he has to offer. My mind must be eased by assurances, this uncertainty is taking a toll on my health"


    He feigned a cough, very convincingly. Tudor was interested about what the pretender was willing to give away.

    "I pray God I may see the sight of his banners and those of my good cousin Somerset; send my regards to Beaufort, mine and those of my mother"

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    ''I shall do so, my lord Richmond, i pray we shall meet again''

    Said Neville, he supposed business was finished now.

    ''Very well, i shall retire for now, i bid you a good day further'' Said Neville before bowing.
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