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    Edward IV returns to England, apparently victorious after the latest phase of the hundred-year conflict that has defined the kingdoms of France and England. Peace was reached at Picquigny, with Aquitaine, the old patrimony of the Plantagenets, returning to the hands of the King of England. York's golden son, who won the crown by conquest at Towton twenty years ago, returns a second Henry V, ready to usher in a new age of English prosperity and dominance.

    Or so it seems. Though Edward is the new English Mars, he is only a mortal man. Like his great predecessor, he is not hewn down by sword or arrow, but disease. Sickness grips his innards, ushering the man mountain towards death's door. Events are moving quickly. The King's young heir, barely on the cusp of manhood, is sequestered in Wales, far from the road to coronation. For now, Edward's Queen holds the reins of power; Elizabeth Woodville. Though well loved by the common folk, she is infamous among the nobility for her greed, blind ambition... and low birth. She would undoubtedly dominate the reign of her son, such is the hold of the Woodvilles over the realm of England.

    The King's brothers, George and Richard, are rallied around as the natural opponents of the Woodville Queen, and factions emerge as they have so many times before when chaos has donned the Confessor's crown. Though York has ruled for twenty years, the spectre of Lancaster still lingers, the lost Prince of Wales dear to many who once called Henry of Lancaster their King. So, as England comes crashing down upon the heads of those who rebuilt it, the Cousin's War begins anew, with Edward's legacy being another decade of conflict over the crown of England.

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    As you probably guessed, this is the thread for the WOTR 1 reset/timeskip. That game finished in 1476, with England invading France. Five years have passed, and much has changed.

    If you did play the first iteration of the game, then you likely know who you're going to pick already, as you're familiar with the timeline and likely are just going to pick up older characters.

    If you didn't play, have no fear. There are plenty of families and characters available to just pick up and run with, no strings attached. There's also a timeline available to acquaint yourself with/remind you of the events of the last game, as well as the five year gap in between the end of 1.0 and the beginning of this game. If you wish to claim a character, and your intention isn't already listed, simply post below the family/character you'd like to claim. You'll be allowed some amount of creative license in regards to character creation, so don't feel as if you have to be strictly bound to history when choosing a family to play as.

    Lastly, I didn't expect this game to return quite so soon, as I was convinced there were other options in the works. But this game's rules/map don't have to be built from the ground up, and with the lack of any available games here in the CRPG forum, I thought I'd give this one a shot due to the eagerness of those who played last time around to return to this setting.

    Timeline

    1461:
    - On the 29th March, the Yorkist army of Edward IV and the Lancastrian army of Henry VI meet at Towton, Yorkshire. In mud and snow, they fight, and,though outnumbered, the Yorkists win the day thanks to the timely arrival ofthe Duke of Norfolk, whose forces had been separated from the main force by a severe snowstorm.
    - The Lancastrian forces melt away, and Henry VI flees into exile with his wife and child. Edward returns to London victorious, the new King of England.
    - Edward ,however, is merciful, and pardons the vast majority of the Lancastrian lords who surrendered in the aftermath of Towton.

    1462:
    - King Henry and Queen Margaret of Anjou flee to France, along with their son, Edward of Westminster. They begin to try and gain support from the French King, Louis XI, to regain the throne of England.
    - Edmund Beaufort, the Duke of Somerset and the commander of the Lancastrians at Towton, has fled to Scotland. He begins to bargain with the Scottish Queen Dowager,Mary of Guelders, for their support.

    1464:
    - Edward IV, in secret and dubious circumstances, marries Elizabeth Woodville, a Lancastrian knight’s widow.
    - Lancaster bargained for the support of France through marriage and Scotland through thesecession of Berwick-upon-Tweed. Margaret of Anjou’s forces land in Cornwall with a French army at her back. Much of Wales, as well as Cornwall, answers her call.
    - Edmund Beaufort leads an army of Scots down from the north in Lancaster’s name. The Earl of Surrey marches north to meet the threat, whilst the Earl of Northumberland eagerly joins Beaufort’s army.
    - Edward IV quickly gathers his forces and marches to deal with this Lancastrian threat. The armies meet at Wallingford, in Berkshire – one of the most infamous battles in recent memory. At the parley, York was shot, and nearly killed, by a marksman under the orders of the vengeful Lancastrian Queen, Margaret of Anjou. With the King carried from the field, the veteran Earl of Kent, along with Norfolk, assumed command of the Yorkist forces. What followed was a massacre. The Earl of Devon, either out of outrage or sensing an opportunity, betrayed Lancaster, with the partisans of the Red Rose being hacked down from both the front and rear of their army. They were defeated, Margaret was captured, and not for the last time, Lancaster had been betrayed.
    - In the north, news had not yet reached Beaufort of the tale of Wallingford, or else he may have been warier of false friends. Percy betrayed Lancaster just as Courtenay did, the Duke of Somerset finding his death upon the battlefield against the combined forces of Surrey and Northumberland.
    - With no army and no allies, Henry VI, Prince Edward, and a mere few companions remain in France, adrift in the waters of exile.

    1465:
    - With Edward indisposed, the Duke of Norfolk seizes the governance of the realm, pressuring the King to marry Northumberland’s daughter once he has awoken from slumber. Edward and Margaret Percy are crowned together in Westminster Abbey ,and it appears as if new age will be ushered in by the golden King and his radiant Queen – who quickly falls pregnant with a girl, Eleanor.
    - Norfolk completely seizes control of the government. He declares Edward as having relapsed, and confines him within Windsor Castle, ruling England as Lord Protector. With Norfolk having overreached, he is quickly turned upon – a few months later, the King returns to London, and Norfolk is forced to beg for mercy from the King. Though some question his judgement, the King grants this favour to his old friend, so long as he never returns to court again.
    - Edward of Westminster flees to Provence, relying on the charity of his maternal grandfather, Rene of Anjou, to provide for his livelihood. Henry VI retires to a monastery, formally resigning the crown to his son. Only Baron Clifford, William Beaumont, and John de Vere bear witness; the last of the true Lancastrians did not turn their coats.
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    1466:
    - Edward begins a campaign against the Scots, with the aim of recapturing Berwick. Edward leaves Margaret Percy pregnant with a daughter, who is named Cecily.
    - Elizabeth Woodville takes up residence at Baynard’s Castle, London, and is openly known as the King’s mistress – she calls herself his Queen. She has already borne him a daughter, Elizabeth.

    1467:
    - Elizabeth Woodville bears Edward a son, Edward of Grafton. Margaret Percy feels more and more marginalised by the growth in popularity of this apparent Queen.

    1468:
    - The campaign ends as soon as it begins. Edward returns home, having made peace with the King of Scots in exchange for a ransom and a promise of marriage.
    - In Edward’s absence, Elizabeth named herself as Edward’s true wife, before witnesses, though the King returns to ensure civil war does not break out within the capital. Elizabeth returns to Baynard’s, in disgrace, whilst Edward reconciles with Margaret Percy. She becomes pregnant.

    1469:
    - Margaret and Edward’s marriage begins to break down, and he finds solace in the charms of Elizabeth Woodville.
    - With Archbishop Francis O’Neill bringing the matter to the Pope’s attention, His Holiness commands it to be resolved. A synod is called at Lincoln Cathedral to decide the matter of who Edward’s rightful wife is, in the eyes of God.

    1470:
    - The trial proves eventful. Francis O’Neill, the representative of Margaret Percy, utterly humiliates himself, sabotaging Percy’s entire case. The trial ends prematurely, with Woodville declared the rightful Queen overwhelmingly. Margaret and Edward’s marriage is annulled. She is settled with an estate in Kent along with an annual pension, where she shall reside under guard with her children.
    - Margaret, having fallen pregnant before the trial, gives birth to a boy. To spite her former husband, she names him Henry, for her own father… And the Lancastrian King.
    - Francis O’Neill, charged with treason following a heated exchange with His Majesty, commits suicide.
    - The Duke of Clarence begins preparations for a campaign into Ireland.

    1471:
    - Elizabeth Woodville is quickly crowned in Westminster Abbey, a lavish ceremony designed to cement her position as Edward’s rightful Queen.
    - Edward passes the Act of Succession through Parliament, formally declaring Elizabeth Woodville as his rightful wife, her children as his lawful heirs, and Margaret Percy’s children to be bastards born outside of wedlock, with no rights to the throne.
    - Edward of Lancaster, self-styled as King of England, becomes a mercenary in Italy, hoping to build up a force for himself to retake England. He is captured in a skirmish with the Genoese.

    1472:
    - Lord Stafford and Lord Suffolk go to Burgundy on a diplomatic mission, their purpose being to arrange the marriage of the King’s brother Richard to Mary of Burgundy, Charles the Bold’s daughter.
    - Lady Percy attempts to escape from captivity with her children. Naturally, she is caught.
    - England begins to train and equip a ‘royal army’ and ‘royal navy’. A foundry is constructed at Woolwich, with the aim to begin the manufacturing of gunpowder weaponry.

    1473:
    - A grand tournament takes place at Smithfield, not far from London. Somewhat surprisingly, the unheralded Sir John Stafford claims victory, defeating Lord Worcester in the final tilt.
    - Lady Percy is separated from her children and confined to the Tower of London. She promptly disappears from the public eye, whilst her children are fostered amongst loyal Yorkist families.
    - Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham, weds the Queen’s sister Katherine Woodville at a lavish ceremony at Lincoln Cathedral.
    - Edward of Lancaster’s ransom is paid… By the French King. Edward becomes a member of Louis’ court.

    1474:
    - The King, after spending the last decade securing peace with Scotland and alliances with Aragon and Burgundy, finally makes his move. With a large army and navy at his back, Edward declared his intent to revive the English claims to France and reclaim the lands lost by Henry VI so many years ago.
    - English forces land in Calais, ferried over by the Royal Navy. With the army gathered in the last English toehold on the continent, Edward makes for Normandy.


    1475:
    - The Battle of Aigneville marks the beginning of a renewed phase in the Hundred Years War between England and France. A token French force defending Normandy is defeated by the English army with relative ease.
    - Neuss finally falls to the forces of Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy, having been a significant delay in his campaign.

    1476:
    - Meanwhile ,in Ireland, the English forces consolidate their grip over the newly won territories in the Earldom of Ulster. The campaign is brought to an abrupt end, with the treasury dedicated entirely to the war with France rather than paying the soldiers to fight elsewhere.
    - Charles the Bold opts to invade Lorraine rather than push into Champagne, taking the town of Nancy. Charles, from Nancy, marches against the Swiss. He suffers a humiliating defeat at the Battle of Grandson.
    - The English fleet blockades Harfleur and le Havre, with the army occupying several towns in Normandy and laying siege to Rouen. The French, wary of another Agincourt, keep the English at arm’s length.
    - Charles is defeated again at Morat, in June.
    - Many small skirmishes take place throughout Normandy. The largest, at Coudray, ends in French victory, clearing the way for the French army to break the siege ofRouen.
    - The English narrowly defeat a French force at Hacqueville. Later in the year, Rouen is taken by siege, opening the way for English expansion into Normandy.
    - Charlesis forced from Lorraine, with Nancy lost to Rene.

    1477:
    - The French fleet attempts to break the blockade of Le Havre. It is decisively defeated by the English navy under the command of Admiral Stanley.
    - Le Havre is secured after a short siege. From their base at Rouen, the English concentrate their forces upon taking Evreux.
    - Charles returns once more to Lorraine, and is met once again by the pikes of the Swiss. At Nancy, Charles is killed in combat, and his army disintegrates. The Duke of Gloucester rallies what soldiers remain and returns to friendly territory; the vast Burgundian inheritance lies in hands of Charles’ infant son, Philip.
    - The English launch raids into central France and western Normandy, but they are met with fierce resistance. For the rest of the year, they quarter in Evreux and Rouen.


    1478:
    - King Louis, sensing weakness, invades the Burgundian territories, laying siege to towns loyal to the Duke. Richard of Gloucester opposes them in the north, butthe Duchy itself is defenceless from French occupation.
    - News of Charles’ death reaches Edward at Rouen. Frustrated, he leads a force south, towards Dreux, to bait the French into an attack.
    - The French attempt to besiege Dijon. Richard achieves a costly victory at Coutiches, blocking the French probe into the Burgundian Low Countries.
    - Taking advantage of soldiers leaving to join the fight against France, the Irish rebel, with the various clans seizing back various territories in southern and northern Ireland.
    - Edward places Dreux under siege.

    1479:
    - The Irish rebellion continues, and although the English brutally repress any dissent, many of the vast gains quickly acquired in the Irish War of 1475 are lost. From Carrickfergus Castle, Clarence still however maintains a strong grip upon Ulster.
    - Surely enough, the French react, and Edward quickly finds himself being encircled at Dreux; French forces approach from both the west and south.
    - Edward abandons the siege. With a forced march west, he crosses the Eure and engages the French at Raville, defeating a French army that was extremely surprised to face the English so soon.
    - However, with the route back to Dreux cut off by the other French force, Edward is forced to retreat north, back towards Evreux.
    - Burgundy negotiates a separate peace with France, with Gloucester excluded from the secret negotiations. Richard makes his way to Normandy to link up with Edward’s forces.

    1480:
    - In the early winter months, the English and French met near the hamlet of Quessigny, on the road to Evreux. This engagement is by far the bloodiest battle fought on French soil since Azincourt, with thousands lying dead without a clear victor. Both sides withdraw from the field battered and bruised, andwithout the decisive victory they desperately sought.
    - With the English proving a potent and irritating thorn in his side (with Brittany now weighing up an alliance with Edward, fearing the same treatment as Burgundy at the hands of Louis) Louis XI opens negotiations with Edward, who sees the continuation of the conflict as fruitless. Skirmishes continue until ceasefire is agreed in the summer.
    - ByAugust, the two had met at Picquigny, not far from Amiens. Upon the 29t h day of August the two monarchs signed a treaty; effectively a bribe to remove Edward from French soil. An exorbitant sum was paid, as well as the restoration of the ancient Duchy of Aquitaine to Edward’s control.
    - Edward of Lancaster was also to be ransomed into English hands, but the sum was never paid; the last of Bolingbroke’s heirs had either perished or fled into exile ,along with his last companions. Henry Holland and Henry Tudor are now the last Lancastrian heirs of any notoriety in England
    - By the years end, Edward had returned to England, the end to the bloodshed marked by a great Christmas celebration held within Greenwich Palace.

    1481:
    - James Neville, 3rd Earl of Kent, perishes from illness without issue. His property is divided between his three sisters, who have now become the most attractive marriage prospects in all of England.
    - Ireland is finally at relative peace, though many of the clans now live outside English rule once again. Warfare is frequent, as usual, though smaller in scale.
    - Edward, King of England, passes from a debilitating illness acquired whilst on campaign in France. His final command is to charge the brother present at his bedside, Richard, to form a regency council until the Prince of Wales reaches his majority. With the potentially stabilising force of Clarence still residing in Ireland, unaware of the King’s demise, the Queen’s faction and the Duke of Gloucester’s allies will undoubtedly view for control over the young king.



    Notable deaths:
    Anthony Neville, Marquess of Somerset and Earl of Kent – perished in the skirmish at Coudray.
    Henry Bourchier, Duke of Aumale etc – critically wounded at the battle of Quessigny. Dies from severe wounds.







    Player Claims
    Player claims, either carried over from last game or claimed for this time around:
    Player Claims


    The Royal House of York:

    Edward V: Gandalf
    Elizabeth Woodville, Dowager Queen: Oznerol
    Richard, Duke of York - Edward’s younger brother: Skylord
    Edmund, Earl of Rutland – Edward’s youngest brother: General Brewster
    Elizabeth of York – Edward’s older sister: Alexandrine
    Arthur Plantagenet, Viscount Bourchier – Edward’s illegitimate half-brother: Jokern
    Henry Fitzroy – Edward’s illegitimate half-brother by Queen Margaret Percy: Della
    Eleanor Fitzroy – Edward’s illegitimate half-sister by Queen Margaret Percy: Della
    Cecily Fitzroy – Edward’s illegitimate half-sister by Queen Margaret Percy: Alexandrine
    George, 1st Duke of Clarence – the King’s paternal uncle: Lucius Malfoy
    Richard, 1st Duke of Gloucester – the King’s paternal uncle: Barry Goldwater

    The Remnants of Lancaster:
    Edward of Westminster, King-in-exile: Dirty Chai
    Henry Holland, 3rd Duke of Exeter: Gandalf
    Henry Tudor, 2nd Earl of Richmond: Oznerol
    Aubrey de Vere, 13th Earl of Oxford: Barry Goldwater
    Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland: Lucius Malfoy

    The First Peers:
    George Neville, Archbishop of York: Lucius Malfoy
    John de Mowrbay, 4th Duke of Norfolk: Jokern
    John de la Pole, 2nd Duke of Suffolk: Oznerol
    Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham: Dirty Chai

    The Earls:
    Anthony Woodville, 2nd Earl Rivers: Oznerol
    Thomas Grey, 7th Earl of Salisbury: Oznerol
    John Neville, 1st Marquess Montagu & Earl of Westmorland: Lucius Malfoy
    John Talbot, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury: General Brewster
    Roger Kyriell, 1st Earl of Monmouth: Barry Goldwater
    Edmund Kyriell, 1st Earl of Cambridge: Barry Goldwater
    Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Wiltshire: The Mad Skylord
    William Mercer, 1st Earl of Worcester: Lord William (?)
    Hugh de Courtenay, 15th Earl of Devon: Xion
    John Grey, 4th Earl of Tankerville: Barry Goldwater
    Gerald FitzGerald, 8th Earl of Kildare: Xion

    The Barons and Knights:

    Thomas Howard, 2nd Baron Howard: Jokern
    John Wenlock, 3nd Viscount Wenlock: Xion
    Richard Grey, Baron Bonville and Harrington: Oznerol
    Boleyn Family: Della.
    Sir William Stanley: Skylord
    Sir Ralph Neville: Della


    Unclaimed Characters/Families of Interest:
    FitzAlan, the Earls of Arundel: Iron Aquilifier
    Bourchier, the Earls of Essex
    Hastings, the Earls of Northampton: Trot
    The Bishop of Durham
    Humphrey Bourchier, Archbishop of Canterbury
    Isabel Neville, Baroness Fauconberg, Countess of Lincoln, heiress to 1/3 of Kent’s estates:

    Joan Neville, heiress to 1/3 of Kent’s estates: Alexandrine
    Mary Neville, Lady Montagu, heiress to 1/3 of Kent’s estates
    Stafford of Hooke, Lords of Southwick
    De Ros, Barons de Ros:
    Lord Dread
    Berekely, Barons Berkeley
    De Barry, Barons Barry and Viscounts of Buttevant
    Roche, Barons de Rupe
    Grey, Lords Grey of Ruthyn
    Fitz Maurice, Barons Fitzmaurice
    Herbert, Lords of Raglan






    Map







    Map Key


    Peers List/Map Key:

    English Peerage:
    Dukes:
    · Blue in the Midlands/Southern England: Stafford, Dukes of Buckingham
    · Bright Green in Suffolk/Lincolnshire/Northern England/Berkshire: de la Pole, Dukes of Suffolk
    · Grey in Devon/Dorset/Huntingdon: Holland, Dukes of Exeter
    · Dark Red in Norfolk/Surrey/Midlands/Yorkshire/Gower: Mowbray, Dukes of Norfolk
    · Light Brown in Midlands/North: George, Duke of Clarence, brother to King Edward IV
    · Cyan in Southern England: Richard, Duke of Gloucester, brother to King Edward IV


    Earls:

    · Teal in Southern England/Glamorgan/Midlands/Northern England: Thomas Grey, Earl of Salisbury, half-brother to King Edward V
    · Blue in Devon: Courtenay, Earls of Devon
    · Red in Sussex: FitzAlan, Earls of Arundel
    · Light Blue in Essex: Bourchier, Earls of Essex
    · Pink in Kent/Somerset/Yorkshire: Neville, Earls of Kent & Somerset – lands split between three heiresses.
    · Salmon Pink in Wiltshire/Lancashire/Mann: Stanley, Earls of Wiltshire & Lords of Mann
    · Green in Powys: Grey of Powis, Earls of Tankarville
    · Yellow in Monmouth: Kyriell, Earls of Monmouth
    · Cream in Bedfordshire/Hertfordshire/Kent: Kyriell, Earls of Cambridge
    · Lilac in Wight/Cambridge: Anthony Woodville, Earl Rivers; Edward V’s maternal uncle.
    · Pink in Midlands/Shropshire/Southern Ireland: Talbot, Earls of Shrewsbury, Waterford, and Ormond.
    · Grey Blue in the Midlands/North: Hastings, Earls of Northampton & Lords Beaumont.
    · Brown in Pembroke/Somerset/Dorset: Henry Tudor, Earl of Pembroke and Richmond.
    · Brown in Northumberland/Yorkshire: Percy, Earls of Northumberland
    · Orange in Yorkshire/Richmond: Neville, Marquess of Montagu and Earls of Westmorland
    · Purple in Oxfordshire and Essex: De Vere, Earls of Oxford
    · Navy Blue: Mercer, Earls of Worcester
    · Cream in Durham: Bishop of Durham


    Barons/Knights
    · Green in Derbyshire: Grey, Baron Grey of Codnor
    · Orange in Powys: Grey, Baron Grey de Ruthyn
    · Silver in Gloucestershire: Grey, Baron Grey of Wilton
    · Green in Glamorgan: de Barry, Baron Barry
    · Yellow in Pembroke: Roche, Baron Roche.
    · Cream in East Anglia: Bourchier, Baron Scales – in the hands of an heiress, Lord Aumerle’s daughter.
    · Reddy/Pink in East Anglia: Lovell, Baron Morley
    · Brown in Suffolk: Howard, Baron Howard.
    · Orange in Essex: Arthur Plantagenet, Viscount Bourchier Jure Uxoris. Illegitimate half-brother of Edward V.
    · Dark Blue in Devon/Cumberland: Richard Grey, Baron Bonville and Harrington Jure Uxoris, half-brother to Edward V.
    · Dark Green in Kent: Boleyn
    · Cream in Berkshire and Somerset: Berkeley, Baron Berkeley
    · Yellow in Yorkshire: Neville, Baron Latimer
    · Purple in Durham: Hylton, Baron Hylton
    · Gold in Yorkshire: Ros, Baron de Ros
    · Turquoise in Bedfordshire: Wenlock, Baron Wenlock
    · Gold in Dorset: Stafford of Hooke, Lord Southwick
    - Cyan in Devon: Hankford, Barons FitzWarin of Bampton
    - Dark Grey in Kent: Baron Hussey
    - Pink in Wales: Herbert, Lords of Raglan
    -Turquoise in Devon: Baron Fortescue
    - Green in Somerset: Baron Hungerford
    - Salmon Pink in Leicester: Harcourt, Lords of Harcourt





    Irish Peerage:
    · Purple: Royally controlled Ireland
    · Bright Green: MacMurrough, Lords of Leinster
    · Olive Green: FitzGerald, Earls of Kildare
    · Gold: Baron de Ros
    · Green: Barron Barry, Viscount Buttevant
    · Yellow: Baron Roche
    · Maroon: Baron Le Poer
    · Purple in Munster: FitzMaurice, Barons of Kerry
    · Pink: Talbot, Earls of Shrewsbury, Waterford, and Ormond.
    · Brown: Howard, Baron Howard
    · Dark Green: Boleyn
    · Orange in Ulster: Savage, Baron Savage
    · Salmon Pink in Munster: Sir William Stanley




    Don't worry if you can't tell what is what on the map... It will be broken down into larger/smaller landholders for ease of viewing. Any questions, just ask, and if you cant to claim a peer then go right ahead. Conflicting claims will preferably be resolved between players, though moderators will step in if a decision isn't reached.
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    Lets make England Great Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Brewster View Post
    Lets make England Great Again.
    ^You have my sword.

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    count me in

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    I'd probably be interested in the reboot

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    Any concrete claim yet, IA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf. View Post
    Any concrete claim yet, IA?
    If nobody is interested in the Earl of Arundel, I will take them as my second house

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord William View Post
    If nobody is interested in the Earl of Arundel, I will take them as my second house
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    Any concrete claim yet, IA?
    I'd be up for Arundel I think

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    Really, so instead of continuing your old fictional substitutes, you're going to replace another historical family with random "relatives"?

    EDIT: Reread that and in fact you will be playing Mercer but also randomly wiping out the FitzAlans too - for what? O'Neills?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Chai View Post
    Really, so instead of continuing your old fictional substitutes, you're going to replace another historical family with random "relatives"?

    EDIT: Reread that and in fact you will be playing Mercer but also randomly wiping out the FitzAlans too - for what? O'Neills?
    Well, i had planned on playing them as Fitzalan but perhaps i should create house Wooster earl of Essex, since IA interest in Arundel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord William View Post
    Well, i had planned on playing them as Fitzalan but perhaps i should create house Wooster earl of Essex, since IA interest in Arundel
    Yeah that's not gonna happen, either you play as the Bourchier Earl or you don't play as Essex at all; the timeline isn't going to be broken at will

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    Bourchier is such a disgusting name though, whereas wooster is upbeat and lively

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    No LW, you are not allowed to just rip Essex away from Bourchier and make the Wooster family the title holder. You either play the Bourchiers or you can't be the Earl of Essex. That is unfair since they are a formerly player-controlled house.
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    That's a shame


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    As Lucius says, Bourchier was player-controlled in 1.0 and had extensive history built up throughout all of the game's 17 weeks. It would be unfair (and horrendously confusing) to eliminate all of that.

    More generally (this isn't aimed at you in particular LW, no worries) the problem with replacing the historical families with made-up ones is that the English aristocracy of this time period are a really tangled and inbred bunch, barring upjumped outsiders like the Woodvilles pretty much everyone's related to everyone else and thus also have claims on someone else's stuff should that someone else and their immediate kin all die. It's why I think the best idea when creating fictional characters is to start them out as knights or barons at best (as Mors did last game), or stick fictional characters in existing families (as I did with the Kyriells last game) - much less messy that way, and doesn't require everyone to go through the nightmare of figuring out who has a claim on what or which individuals and families no longer exist because their parents/grandparents got killed or otherwise poofed out of existence offscreen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Goldwater View Post
    As Lucius says, Bourchier was player-controlled in 1.0 and had extensive history built up throughout all of the game's 17 weeks. It would be unfair (and horrendously confusing) to eliminate all of that.

    More generally (this isn't aimed at you in particular LW, no worries) the problem with replacing the historical families with made-up ones is that the English aristocracy of this time period are a really tangled and inbred bunch, barring upjumped outsiders like the Woodvilles pretty much everyone's related to everyone else and thus also have claims on someone else's stuff should that someone else and their immediate kin all die. It's why I think the best idea when creating fictional characters is to start them out as knights or barons at best (as Mors did last game), or stick fictional characters in existing families (as I did with the Kyriells last game) - much less messy that way, and doesn't require everyone to go through the nightmare of figuring out who has a claim on what or which individuals and families no longer exist because their parents/grandparents got killed or otherwise poofed out of existence offscreen.
    Though I see your point, I don't agree that a player should be obligated to continue someone else's roleplay despite whatever history the previous player created. The new player should be free to forge his own path.

    ill be honest I'm not a fan of this inbreeding aristocracy, I'd rather characters create their own inbreeding but this is not up to me and I've accepted it.

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    They should be free to forge their own path, as long as they respect that they don't get to butcher a family that was previously someone else's by getting rid of and supplanting it entirely, when it's been around for 20 years in game time intermarrying with everyone; "creating their own inbreeding" as you put it , is exactly what they've been doing for the majority of last game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf. View Post
    They should be free to forge their own path, as long as they respect that they don't get to butcher a family that was previously someone else's by getting rid of and supplanting it entirely, when it's been around for 20 years in game time intermarrying with everyone; "creating their own inbreeding" as you put it , is exactly what they've been doing for the majority of last game.


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    I don't think the other persons roleplay should matter, he abandoned that character.if it was important to him than he should have continued the roleplay of the character. As for other players they have the opportunity to create new relations with the new character

    You miss took what I said, I was talking about creating our own houses and not playing with historical names and linages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord William View Post
    I don't think the other persons roleplay should matter, he abandoned that character.if it was important to him than he should have continued the roleplay of the character. As for other players they have the opportunity to create new relations with the new character

    You miss took what I said, I was talking about creating our own houses and not playing with historical names and linages
    He only abandoned it because there's a limit on how many houses and characters you can have...? Besides, we aren't in the business of retconning, as it generally makes little sense and just creates more mess than its worth. That's the last thing I'll say about it.

    Yeah, so its basically just a bland medieval setting with nothing distinctive about it. Why set it in England at all? If you take everything that makes medieval England what it is away from it you may as well just create random fantasy land #1 with a vast, nonsensically diverse group of random characters. Completely pointless.

    Some people enjoy something called immersion, I guess, so we veer away from that kind of stuff that made previous medieval games so ridiculous.

    Besides the point, anyway. Before this veers off topic, I'll state that unless you intend to claim the Bourchier family of Essex then I have nothing more to say on the subject.
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