Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Kievan Rus (REVAMP)

[Levan]

I like how you changed the class of Pomostniki but the change of Guard Axemen is questionable for me. If you reduced the lamellar just to make them different from tier 2, then i strongly disagree. For 13th century eastern factions, like Byzantines or Georgia, chain mail was already non-noble armor, i mean lamellar was much more popular and common among nobles and i think there was the same situation in Rus states. Since this unit is called "Guard" they should have noble armor right? You could use different types of lamellar on tier 1 and 2, thus you will also have enough difference.

[AlexiosThe1st]

I like how you changed the class of Pomostniki but the change of Guard Axemen is questionable for me. If you reduced the lamellar just to make them different from tier 2, then i strongly disagree. For 13th century eastern factions, like Byzantines or Georgia, chain mail was already non-noble armor, i mean lamellar was much more popular and common among nobles and i think there was the same situation in Rus states. Since this unit is called "Guard" they should have noble armor right? You could use different types of lamellar on tier 1 and 2, thus you will also have enough difference.

The decision wasn't only to differ tier 1 axes from 2 as a design choice, it also served a historical purpose as well. You state that lamellar was the "noble armor" in place of mail for the 13th century and we can argue that for pages and pages. It remains that some noble or wealthy soldiers would have worn mail and some would have worn lamellar; the proportions of each being our point of contention. And I believe that this has been rendered in Tier 1. Lamellar is abundant in the general and senior druzina units, so it's not as if lamellar is absent from tier 1, it has only been toned down a bit. IMO to better reflect the distribution of the time period.

[McMoots]

I feel like the Alexander Nevsky unit should have Alexander Nevsky's face out. Maybe something along the lines of this
Or maybe even the more "romantic, but ignorant" no helmet look.

Just my opinion though.

[Bantu Chieftain]

Nevski did not look like the scythian actor in the movie. Thats a scythian face that russians didnt have.

[Visarion]

Yeaaaahhhhhh that s not a Russian face... this is...

[Cometopuli]

good joke eksdi

[McMoots]

Guess we could always make Nevsky look like Jesus, too.

[McMoots]

But still, I think Nevsky shouldn't have a face mask. Maybe not even wear a helmet, but definitely show his face.

[AlexiosThe1st]

A helmet of some variety is staying, but the coif and helm can easily be changed. I'll post a few possible variations shortly.

[McMoots]

A helmet of some variety is staying, but the coif and helm can easily be changed. I'll post a few possible variations shortly.

Awesome! Yeah, it just seems if his face is covered, he comes off as "Generic General-ly".

[AlexiosThe1st]

Druzina Update:

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Nevsky and his Guard:

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*New shields and helmet courtesy of Lucem

[Filips Augustus]

Great work!

[Cometopuli]

Good Job

[Visarion]

But nevsky should have unique elements/gear

[Visarion]

Much better

[Beregond]

Love the new colour-spiced units and the addition of archangel Michael and Rurikide trid(two)-dents to the shields.

I still think it's very far-fetched adding Nevsky to Kievan roster, esp considering how controversial this knyaz was as a historical figure (including his treaties and tributes to Mongols and the Neva battle itself, suspiciously absent from any historical chronicles other than russian ones..)

As an idea for the dedicated javelin unit name, you can use the old rus name of the javelin - сулица "sulitsa" (plural "sulitsi"). I will think on how best to incorporate the word into the unit name )

Small comment on their equipment, it kinda looks like a mish-mash at the moment. Several unit variations are out of place historically, imho. I'm not an expert by all means, but I believe these hats and caftans with characteristic clasps are from 14-15 century. Not fit for early period unit.

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If you're looking for a name for the Javelin troops, I googled Russian Javelin troops and "Kop'ya" turned up, which google translates says translates into Spear Throwers, or roughly Spears-men.

Actually 'Kop'ya' is plural for spears. Spearmen would be 'kopeyshiki', but this word indicated men wielding long spears. And short spears used for throwing were called sulitsi, as I mentioned. Later and modern word is 'drotik'/plural 'drotiki'

[AlexiosThe1st]

Love the new colour-spiced units and the addition of archangel Michael and Rurikide trid(two)-dents to the shields.

I still think it's very far-fetched adding Nevsky to Kievan roster, esp considering how controversial this knyaz was as a historical figure (including his treaties and tributes to Mongols and the Neva battle itself, suspiciously absent from any historical chronicles other than russian ones..)

As an idea for the dedicated javelin unit name, you can use the old rus name of the javelin - сулица "sulitsa" (plural "sulitsi"). I will think on how best to incorporate the word into the unit name )

Small comment on their equipment, it kinda looks like a mish-mash at the moment. Several unit variations are out of place historically, imho. I'm not an expert by all means, but I believe these hats and caftans with characteristic clasps are from 14-15 century. Not fit for early period unit.

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I'm not opposed to removing Nevsky from the roster. I thought him an interesting figure to add and not totally unreasonable given his connections in the Rus principalities.

The hats can be swapped. There were a few other models I noticed that can take their place.

But as for the gambeson I did not think that a kaftan. Those buckles, to my eye, don't look characteristic of the later period kaftans.

And thank for the help on the naming!

[Visarion]

I like tge overall changes and where this roster is heading


Found this book

http://you-books.com/book/Yu-D-Petuh...mperiya-skifov

There appears to be helmets with a upside down face om the tip... strange...

[Cometopuli]

I like tge overall changes and where this roster is heading


Found this book

http://you-books.com/book/Yu-D-Petuh...mperiya-skifov

There appears to be helmets with a upside down face om the tip... strange...

wow that helmet tho

[Alejandro Sanchez]

There appears to be helmets with a upside down face om the tip... strange...

This image represents the helmet at the time of the find (the mask was broken off and it lay in inverted position).
The righ position of the mask: