Scale Coifs

[Levan]

I have checked another painting where everything looks clear now. It seems, on other paintings, you guys have posted, there were chain mail and padded coifs. And those white dots of light doesn't mean that armor is scale, because on this painting every armor has white dots but one of them is different - it is drawn as it had larger scales than others(Top-middle warrior). So, it must be the true scale.

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Maybe you will agree now that Georgian Historians weren't wrong. Medieval painters used to draw chain as scales for several reasons. But according to this painting scale coifs were used indeed, although rarely.

[zsimmortal]

Not this again...

If you look at the upper arm part and upper leg part, it is much closer to this :

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So we're at the same place as the last thread, which got closed for this kind of nitpicky discussion. There's a guy with a coif that is the same colour as his gilded scale armour, which likely means it is a gilded mail coif.

[Levan]

Not this again...

If you don't want to discuss don't leave comment at all.
I see you were so focused on saying something humiliating with your first comment that you didn't even notice that those upper parts of leg and arm are leather pteruges like in the previous paintings and i didn't even mention them.

If you can't understand, then compare black with white:

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Btw, the thread didn't get closed for the "nitpicky" discussion.

[zsimmortal]

If you don't want to discuss don't leave comment at all.

I'm more than happy to discuss, you just seem to not be able to let go of this single issue. This has been a long running problem with the Georgia thread as people make the most pointless critiques of the hard work done because they don't agree with what they are presented with. This is not your mod, the Georgia faction does not belong to the Georgian users. You can make your own mod if you are unhappy. Ltd took his time to do pretty much everything people asked for and all he got was a bunch of people that were angry over nonsense and spitting all over his hard work.

I see you were so focused on saying something humiliating with your first comment that you didn't even notice that those upper parts of leg and arm are leather pteruges like in the previous paintings and i didn't even mention them.

If you can't understand, then compare black with white:

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I'm not sure where you're going with this. They're just larger, but are drawn the exact same way.

Regardless, I've never seen a mail coat with sleeves and skirts like this, so maybe you could try to find such an example before affirming it is mail? The sleeves/shoulder armour and skirt are clearly metal here considering they are the same colour as the armour they are attached to (as the gilded armour has those parts gilded too).

Btw, the thread didn't get closed for the "nitpicky" discussion.

You're right, it was just the straw that broke the camels back, because of the countless other nitpicky discussions that were completely petty.

[Levan]

I'm more than happy to discuss, you just seem to not be able to let go of this single issue. This has been a long running problem with the Georgia thread as people make the most pointless critiques of the hard work done because they don't agree with what they are presented with. This is not your mod, the Georgia faction does not belong to the Georgian users. You can make your own mod if you are unhappy. Ltd took his time to do pretty much everything people asked for and all he got was a bunch of people that were angry over nonsense and spitting all over his hard work.

As for bunch of angry people, i don't know who you are talking about. I see completely opposite Georgians on the thread. Only one forumite was pointing on some details and it seems everybody got triggered except Ltd. himself. I don't know what pointless critiques you are talking about neither. For some reason, Ltd. noted many of those "pointless" things and implemented in latest update.
Btw, nitpicking of other rosters aren't considered to be rude. For example, using Eastern spaulder on Western unit(which is hard to notice). Do you know why? Because this forum, besides positive feedback, is exactly for pointing on such details to make truly historical and accurate game unlike Creative Assembly does. But for some reason, threads of KOG is place where butthurt people gather from the first day, way before consideration of details started. Don't say it's our fault, just read pages of the old thread(i can quote many comments if you want).
And don't talk for Ltd. please.

I'm not sure where you're going with this. They're just larger, but are drawn the exact same way.
Regardless, I've never seen a mail coat with sleeves and skirts like this, so maybe you could try to find such an example before affirming it is mail? The sleeves/shoulder armour and skirt are clearly metal here considering they are the same colour as the armour they are attached to (as the gilded armour has those parts gilded too).

Larger means something right? And i doubt that it means just the size of scale links. Since you are constantly pointing on the colors, could you tell me why that one is grey unlike other "scales"?
Also on shoulders and lower part of the body, those are pteruges despite being the same color because they have wrinkles like leather would have. Painter could have used the same color just for aesthetics. Also it is doubtful that they have convenient scales on the main body and better protecting but less convenient plate/lamellar on constantly moving shoulders and legs. It would be the opposite in reality. They must be leather pteruges.

Now look at the circles below and tell me did warriors have scales on the knees as well? They should be chain right?

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Lastly, in your opinion, what are these golden parts of armor. Have you seen them on scale armor or..

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Or they were used with chain like in the roster and seem to be leather? -

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[zsimmortal]

Larger means something right? And i doubt that it means just the size of scale links. Since you are constantly pointing on the colors, could you tell me why that one is grey unlike other "scales"? Also on shoulders and lower part of the body, those are pteruges despite being the same color because they have wrinkles like leather would have. Painter could have used the same color just for aesthetics. Also it is doubtful that they have convenient scales on the main body and better protecting but less convenient plate/lamellar on constantly moving shoulders and legs. It would be the opposite in reality. They must be leather pteruges.

They look like the large lamellar scales on the fresco I posted before, so that would be my conclusion (in that case, 'wrinkles' would be the threading). And depending how it is done, it would conform to most other type of lamellar or segmented upper arm protection, like those used by the Mongols or Timurids.

Now look at the circles below and tell me did warriors have scales on the knees as well? They should be chain right?

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Lastly, in your opinion, what are these golden parts of armor. Have you seen them on scale armor or..

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Or they were used with chain like in the roster and seem to be leather? -

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I had the same reaction as you regarding the leg protection, but I then noticed it only covers half of the leg, which is not typical of chain leg protection, at least not until the later plate-and-mail combinations, which would sometimes not fully cover around the knee area. Since scale and lamellar are much more rigid, full leg protection is very cumbersome for movement, which makes more sense to not cover the leg fully.

I'm not too sure about the other parts. It might have been golden-laced fabric, I can't say I know enough about that. Wouldn't make much sense to determine it is something of another colour since we have fabric in the same painting of many different colours. The circled guy on the top left looks like he's wearing segmented armour, which isn't particularly abnormal, since you see it quite often in timurid miniatures.

[AlexiosThe1st]

I have checked another painting where everything looks clear now. It seems, on other paintings, you guys have posted, there were chain mail and padded coifs. And those white dots of light doesn't mean that armor is scale, because on this painting every armor has white dots but one of them is different - it is drawn as it had larger scales than others(Top-middle warrior). So, it must be the true scale.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Maybe you will agree now that Georgian Historians weren't wrong. Medieval painters used to draw chain as scales for several reasons. But according to this painting scale coifs were used indeed, although rarely.

Maybe that one is mail too, but with really big links O.o

[Ltd.]

Just to make it clear for everyone : the georgian roster is pretty much done, at least those units you saw in the preview. For the campaign they will have access to cuman / kipchak , alan etc units of course but what you see now is what you get.
I did take many things into consideration that were presented to me ( as pm) and I did so because they were the right thing to do backed by sources and not because I had nothing better to do.
Now, you can have a discussion about the units of course, this is what the forum is for, and as long as you keep the discussion civil and refrain from personal insults or keep repeating and insisting on stuff, there is no need to lock the thread.
However, like I said the units will remain the way they are now. They have scale, maille and lamellar. There is evidence for all three so no need to keep splitting the hair whether the depiction shows scale or mail.