Odd CTD in campaign and i do not know the cause or how to solve it?

[Mr_Nygren]

Razor posted this in PM regarding this crash:

"Ok, I may have fixed the issue I was having. After 3 tests I can now easily get to 200 turns without a crash happening. I found that out by coincidence during a testing for something else and the game constantly crashed when I took the last settlement of one specific faction. I then tried to eliminate the faction using the surrender_regions command. Still a crash. Then I tried the command on all factions on the map and everything worked fine and all factions turned rebel, which got me thinking. For some reason I went to look the descr_sm_factions.txt and found that the faction causing the crash was being shadowed by another faction that was present on the map. I tested the same for other factions on the map that were being shadowed by another faction and I got a hit: all caused a crash. Then I tried eliminating the shadowing factions first and then the shadowed factions and everything went smooth.

So in short: the culprit in my case seems to have been related to the use of shadow factions as defined in descr_sm_factions.txt. The shadow factions spawn correctly when they rebel from their parent faction, but whenever the parent faction get annihilated by another faction while the shadow faction is still alive the game crashes. "

I have very little knowledge about shadowing factions, and shadow factions? What does this even mean? I know there was something like that connected to the Baron-feature of Med2?

The Hyrule descr_SM_factions would look like this:

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faction						hylian
culture						northern_european
religion					catholic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_venice.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 122, green 0, blue 183
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_england.tga
standard_index					0
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						gerudo
culture						darknutish
religion					catholic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_sicily.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 255, green 148, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_twili.tga
standard_index					1
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_SICILY
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_SICILY
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						goron
culture						barbari_european
religion					orthodox
symbol						models_strat/symbol_milan.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 255, green 0, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_spain.tga
standard_index					2
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_MILAN
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_MILAN
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						zora
culture						northern_european
religion					orthodox
symbol						models_strat/symbol_papacy.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 0, green 0, blue 255
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_venice.tga
standard_index					3
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_PAPAL_STATES
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_PAPAL_STATES
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						kokiri
culture						southern_european
religion					orthodox
symbol						models_strat/symbol_denmark.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 25, green 255, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_sicily.tga
standard_index					4
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_BYZANTIUM
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_BYZANTIUM
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						gohma
culture						middle_eastern
religion					islam
symbol						models_strat/symbol_egypt.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 200, green 255, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_milan.tga
standard_index					5
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_ENGLAND
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_ENGLAND
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						ordona
culture						northern_european
religion					catholic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_scotland.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 187, green 176, blue 127
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_england.tga
standard_index					6
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_PORTUGAL
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_PORTUGAL
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						lanayru
culture						northern_european
religion					lesser
symbol						models_strat/symbol_poland.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 0, green 87, blue 177
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_france.tga
standard_index					7
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_AZTEC
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_AZTEC
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						deku
culture						southern_european
religion					lesser
symbol						models_strat/symbol_ZOLA.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 50, green 80, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_denmark.tga
standard_index					8
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_FRANCE
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_FRANCE
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						moblin
culture						barbari_european
religion					lesser
symbol						models_strat/symbol_france.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 131, green 89, blue 61
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_venice.tga
standard_index					9
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_DENMARK
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_DENMARK
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						darknut
culture						darknutish
religion					idols
symbol						models_strat/symbol_turks.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 255, green 198, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_milan.tga
standard_index					10
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_RUSSIA
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_RUSSIA
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						lizalfos
culture						barbari_european
religion					pantheon
symbol						models_strat/symbol_holy_roman_empire.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 137, green 137, blue 137
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_egypt.tga
standard_index					11
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_MOORS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_MOORS
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						labrynna
culture						northern_european
religion					pagan
symbol						models_strat/symbol_byzantium.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 86, green 77, blue 167
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_byzantium.tga
standard_index					12
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_SCOTLAND
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_SCOTLAND
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						fairy
culture						southern_european
religion					nature
symbol						models_strat/symbol_aztecs.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 255, green 0, blue 255
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_aztecs.tga
standard_index					13
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_MONGOLS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_MONGOLS
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						stalfos
culture						vreek
religion					pagan
symbol						models_strat/symbol_spain.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 0, green 0, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_spain.tga
standard_index					14
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_SPAIN
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_SPAIN
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
horde_min_units					10
horde_max_units					20
horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde		10
horde_unit_per_settlement_population		250
horde_min_named_characters			2
horde_max_percent_army_stack			80
horde_disband_percent_on_settlement_capture	0
horde_unit					Stalfos Eurdi
horde_unit					Stalfos Gerudo
horde_unit					Stalfos Zarko
horde_unit					Stalkin
horde_unit					Stalhounds
horde_unit					Parutamu
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						sheikah
culture						vreek
religion					catholic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_timurids.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 70, green 0, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_sicily.tga
standard_index					15
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_HOLY_ROMAN_EMPIRE
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_HRE
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
horde_min_units					2
horde_max_units					4
horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde		1
horde_unit_per_settlement_population		250
horde_min_named_characters			1
horde_max_percent_army_stack			80
horde_disband_percent_on_settlement_capture	0
horde_unit					Sheikah Spies
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						ikana
culture						vreek
religion					heretic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_hungary.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 200, green 190, blue 150
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_ikana.tga
standard_index					16
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_EGYPT
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_EGYPT
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				yes
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						twili
culture						mesoamerican
religion					heretic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_moors.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 0, green 255, blue 180
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_twili.tga
standard_index					17
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_TURKS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_TURKS
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						zanti
culture						mesoamerican
religion					heretic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_moors.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 255, green 75, blue 75
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_twili.tga
standard_index					17
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_TURKS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_TURKS
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						wizzrobe
culture						northern_european
religion					wizzrobe_inf
symbol						models_strat/symbol_saxons.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 255, green 255, blue 255
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_moors.tga
standard_index					18
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_TIMURID
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_TIMURID
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						zola, spawned_on_event
culture						barbari_european
religion					lesser
symbol						models_strat/symbol_dacia.cas
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 110, green 240, blue 210
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_ZOLA.tga
standard_index					21
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_ZOLA
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_ZOLA
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						zuna
culture						darknutish
religion					idols
symbol						models_strat/symbol_armenia.cas
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 170, green 130, blue 85
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_hre.tga
standard_index					23
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_ZUNA
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_ZUNA
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			no
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						subrosian
culture						barbari_european
religion					idols
symbol						models_strat/symbol_brutii.cas
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 255, green 255, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_scotland.tga
standard_index					24
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_SUBROSIAN
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_SUBROSIAN
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			no
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						tokay
culture						barbari_european
religion					idols
symbol						models_strat/symbol_barb_rebel.cas
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 150, green 255, blue 100
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_poland.tga
standard_index					25
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_TOKAY
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_TOKAY
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			no
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						huskus
culture						southern_european
religion					catholic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_numidia.cas
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 100, green 100, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_hungary.tga
standard_index					26
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_HUSKUS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_HUSKUS
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						horon
culture						southern_european
religion					nature
symbol						models_strat/symbol_seleucid.cas
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 230, green 230, blue 230
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_timurids.tga
standard_index					27
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_HORON
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_HORON
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			no
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						papal_states
culture						northern_european
religion					catholic
special_faction_type				papal_faction
symbol						models_strat/symbol_papacy.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 160, green 243, blue 255
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_papal_states.tga
standard_index					19
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_HUNGARY
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_PAPAL_OOCCA
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


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faction						majora
culture						mesoamerican
religion					heretic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_majora.CAS
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 80, green 65, blue 125
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_majora.tga
standard_index					20
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_POLAND
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_MAJORA
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						saxons
culture						southern_european
religion					pagan
special_faction_type				slave_faction
symbol						models_strat/symbol_rebels.cas
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 100, green 100, blue 100
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_hre.tga
standard_index					20
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_SAXONS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_SAXONS
triumph_value					5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap						no
prefers_naval_invasions				no
can_have_princess				no
has_family_tree					no


;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction						herooftime
culture						northern_european
religion					catholic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_saxons.cas
rebel_symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour					red 0, green 0, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
loading_logo					loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_hre.tga
standard_index					21
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Any ideas?

[alreadyded]

If you don't use the 'shadowed_by' or 'shadowing' code (which is apparently bugged) that is not the cause of your crash. I never used that code and this is the first I have heard of it. I did a google search for it and did not find anyone that actually tested to see if it works, just people talking about it.

Do you have any regions that have 'slave' as the owner in descr_regions.txt? This does not work, I don't recall if it causes a CTD in game or while starting it up since I have been using another faction to fill this role to avoid that for a long time, but the game does not allow it.

Do all the regions religion points add up to 100 in that file? This will cause a crash if that region gets attacked, or upgrades, or something to where the game checks it.

Are any character names missing? As in is it blank where their name should be in game? This will cause a CTD.

Do you have characters that come of age around the time the turn it crashes? If so it is a trait bug.

My guess so far is a regions bug and a trait bug, which could cause the 'Uh oh' to show I assume. I have had all these bugs but only one at a time. It could be a typo somewhere, I had notepad++ glitch out on me before and add in some weird text I wouldn't even know how to type when using undo/redo. Luckily I saw it happen, and it kept happening until I restarted my PC.

[Mr_Nygren]

Do you have any regions that have 'slave' as the owner in descr_regions.txt? This does not work, I don't recall if it causes a CTD in game or while starting it up since I have been using another faction to fill this role to avoid that for a long time, but the game does not allow it.

There is one faction called "Wild Life" that has the "slave_faction" attribute in the descr_SM_factions - it is also the only faction causing crashes often if attempting to play as them in real-time or fighting them in real time as any other faction. They are not the slave-faction - but they are the second out of two factions using that slave_faction attribute.

As they are animals Neph probably wanted to give them their own separate faction slot. But the crashing mostly happens when the Stalfos are involved, or when someone is attacking the Lanayru faction.

[Razor]

Just out of curiosity, does the faction zola, which is set at spawned_on_event, have an entry in descr_win_conditions.txt? In the vanilla files factions that emerge later on don't have an entry in descr_win_conditions.txt. It probably won't fix anything, but I think it won't hurt deleting the entry in case you have one either.

[alreadyded]

Oh I never used Bare Geomod, I had the luxury of just building off of TATW.

I resolved the leader and heir dying at the same time with a simple script that spawns a random general for each faction, I cannot recall the conditions I used. I also have all factions setup to go horde with enough units to spawn two armies so they get two generals. Even so I still got the 'TC_BATTLE_ENGAGEMENT' thing in the log after that, but my log didn't show trait triggers firing right before. So it could be the combo of traits and something with regions. The error in this thread was very rare and non-repeatable for me, I didn't even think it was a bug for a long time, just a hiccup in the game from playing 250 turns without restarting the game or loading a save. The only way I was able to narrow it down was because there were no other bugs.

Perhaps two or more regions are using colors that are too similar in the regions file, or there are some pixels of a blue color that doesn't work in the ocean if it is a naval battle crash? I had these bugs in the past as well.

If certain traits have too many affects listed for even just one it can cause a crash when that trait is checked, this bug was not showing anything in the log, I had to get help around here narrowing it down. So traits is something I would guess because of that, they don't always show something in the log.

I think if all the regions aren't listed in all the files, then it causes a random non-repeatable crash, so it could be that. I had one missing in a sound file because another one was listed twice.

The cause seems to be things getting checked and one or more errors being found, and I can only imagine regions and traits being the things getting checked. But it could just be a simple typo in descr_strat causing all this, you can try removing all the code except for the first two factions and see if it works, this is how I go about finding errors in descr_strat. One typo can cause all the code that follows to randomly cause a non-repeatable crash.

A long while back I had a bug that showed traits being checked in the log right before it crashed and it had to do with regions if I recall. Possibly even the win_conditions not have all regions listed but I don't think so, I didn't set this up until I used it for the CAI to prioritize certain things. I think it was a sound file missing a region or two. If a faction doesn't have an entry at all I would imagine the game wouldn't even start.

You can also try removing all the transgression code from descr_faction_standing.txt to see if the log shows something more specific.

[Gigantus]

That's the discussion, thanks for the link.

As to win conditions for spawned\shadowing factions - my memory might be hazy but I do seem to remember that the Mongols always won the game when they spawned because there was no win condition for them. At least that was one of my earliest corrections in Bare Geomod.
Rather set impossible conditions like the slave faction has.

[Gigantus]

Having two factions with a supposedly unique AI and special function setting will be the reason for the crashes. There is really no compelling reason to have a second rebel\slave faction.
Remove the special faction setting in descr_sm_factions and give them the heretic religion so they don't cause havoc with other religion's events (lizards voting for the next pope, hamsters on jihad - would be kinda weird). You don't have to worry about witches or heretics spawned by them - that's based on the special function of the slave faction, not the religion. The culture is fairly irrelevant to game play (apart from the odd trait and the settlement strat models used) so the choice is yours.

[Razor]

That's the discussion, thanks for the link.

As to win conditions for spawned\shadowing factions - my memory might be hazy but I do seem to remember that the Mongols always won the game when they spawned because there was no win condition for them. At least that was one of my earliest corrections in Bare Geomod.
Rather set impossible conditions like the slave faction has.

But does the crash happen when both your faction leader and faction heir die simultaneously or when the last settlement gets captured and the faction leader dies while the faction heir - that's to be new faction leader - is out camping somewhere else? I've heard about first one, but the second one is being discussed in the link.

Having two factions with a supposedly unique AI and special function setting will be the reason for the crashes. There is really no compelling reason to have a second rebel\slave faction.
Remove the special faction setting in descr_sm_factions and give them the heretic religion so they don't cause havoc with other religion's events (lizards voting for the next pope, hamsters on jihad - would be kinda weird). You don't have to worry about witches or heretics spawned by them - that's based on the special function of the slave faction, not the religion. The culture is fairly irrelevant to game play (apart from the odd trait and the settlement strat models used) so the choice is yours.

I'm not sure how the game would handle two rebel/slave factions. To which of the two will a settlement revolt to when they rebel? Also, does it matter and get ignored or will it make the game crash? I'm full with question marks on this one.
Also, lizards choosing the pope and hamsters on jihad is quite the metaphor...

[Gigantus]

But does the crash happen when both your faction leader and faction heir die simultaneously or when the last settlement gets captured and the faction leader dies while the faction heir - that's to be new faction leader - is out camping somewhere else? I've heard about first one, but the second one is being discussed in the link.

I think essentially it doesn't matter - losing the faction leader triggers the BecomesFactionLeader event if another family member exists. Which occasionally causes havoc if a faction gets wiped out, regardless if the heir is involved in the same battle that killed the faction leader in the last settlement or is just gallivanting around. There will however be a longer time delay in the latter occasion between processing characters I guess, eg 'game over' might trigger before the the trait event gets tested.
Battles were the last two (males of age) family members get killed are the most prone situations.

Most mods I have been working with lately have changed the triggers to use the IsFactionLeader condition with the CharacterTurnEnd event, some may need a trait level check to prevent undue increase in multi level traits.

[Mr_Nygren]

But does the crash happen when both your faction leader and faction heir die simultaneously or when the last settlement gets captured and the faction leader dies while the faction heir - that's to be new faction leader - is out camping somewhere else? I've heard about first one, but the second one is being discussed in the link.

I'm not sure how the game would handle two rebel/slave factions. To which of the two will a settlement revolt to when they rebel? Also, does it matter and get ignored or will it make the game crash? I'm full with question marks on this one.
Also, lizards choosing the pope and hamsters on jihad is quite the metaphor...

The "slave"-faction is the rebel faction in use for rebel settlements at the start. The "Wild Life"-faction is a playable faction more or less, but with the slave_faction attribute in the descr_SM_factions. The Wild Life also has the ownership and is the faction creator of certain settlements while the slave faction cannot be creator without it crashing. So i'd guess the slave attribute is for the wild life faction to never die.

While i do believe the issue with that particular faction crashing could be due to it using the slave attribute, it still doesn't cause issues loading up the game - and some battles work.

The issue with the transgressor crash could be separate to this though. I will test removing the attribute but the issue with the transgressor usually happens when the Lanayru is attacked. As such it could be separate. Also, Hyrule has far too many scripts for it to be possible to remove them. So it has to be something else.

[Gigantus]

The simplest test is to remove the special faction attribute from the wild life faction in the descr_sm_faction file. Start with that, needs a fresh game.

[alreadyded]

The problem Gig is referring to will cause crashes as things get checked (traits, regions, etc.) and when the game finds too many things that 'do not compute' (don't make sense in reality) it crashes. It simply does not work even if someone thinks it does is what that means, you have to find what does work. It is not the only bug you have but it is preventing you from identifying the other bugs, things that don't work.

Why the slave faction can't be the owner in regions file? I don't know, it makes no sense to me and it is too complicated to find out, I just realized it doesn't work and did something that does. If you apply this to all problem solving by opening your mind to it, you will find and fix all these bugs one at a time. To do otherwise is just running in circles, confusing yourself with your thoughts, you will not accomplish anything and you will get sick of trying.

[Gigantus]

Why the slave faction can't be the owner in regions file?

It's not an ownership entry - it's the 'creator\loyalty' entry that cannot be slave. That's the faction a region revolts to - remember that region in the middle of Anatolia in RTW? Had me dumbfounded the first time when after a revolt it became Gaul.
The game mechanic will not allow to revolt to the slave faction.

And yes, the first step in tracing weird crashes is to reverse unusual stuff you implemented. Did you know that using max map size nearly always results in scroll crashes? It's because the engine can't handle all the 3D elements, most notable rivers (yes, the riverbed is 3D) - which will force you to trim their appearance down drastically (experience from 1648, took a week to figure that out).

[alreadyded]

I was referring to that, I was just too lazy to go into detail. I am not as helpful as you are, the only reason I am even here is a PM.

[Gigantus]

I am a detailed annoyance, ain't I?

[bitterhowl]

Well, seems that I solved my version of this CTD. Some infantry units has berserker morale parameter. It's broken for them.

[Gigantus]

The berserker attribute is known to be broken in m2tw - something to do with animation I think.

[bitterhowl]

If to say correct - it's broken for infantry. For cavalry works as it should. In my case - some infantry units I forgot to remove from tests while I searched info about berserker ability.

[Gigantus]

Never tried the equestrian version

[bitterhowl]

I want to use this feature for elite knights to making effect of their historical behaviour on battlefield - ignoring leader's orders due to their own will.