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    MOGADISHU, Somalia (Reuters) -- Ethiopian warplanes attacked two Islamist-held airfields in Somalia on Monday, witnesses said, in the most dramatic strikes yet of a war threatening to engulf the Horn of Africa.

    The attacks -- one of them on the capital Mogadishu -- came after neighboring Ethiopia formally declared war, saying it was protecting its sovereignty against a movement run by terrorists.

    A MiG fighter struck Mogadishu's international airport with machine-gun fire, airport managing director Abdirahim Adan told Reuters. Three jets later attacked Somalia's biggest military airfield at Baledogle, 100 km (60 miles) west of Mogadishu.

    "They are targeting the runway and I can see it being hit," said an Islamist fighter who asked not to be named.

    A week of fighting between Islamists and Somalia's Ethiopian- and Western- backed secular government has turned long-running hostilities into open war.

    After an initial Islamist assault, analysts say, it seems Ethiopia has prevented the Islamists from achieving their aim of overrunning the interim government.

    Addis Ababa and the Washington say the Islamists, who hold most of southern Somalia after seizing Mogadishu in June, are terrorists backed by Ethiopia's enemy, Eritrea, and by al Qaeda.

    Ethiopia has vowed to protect the government, which is virtually encircled by Islamist fighters in the town of Baidoa, halfway between Mogadishu and the Ethiopian border.

    Fighting continued for the seventh day on Monday near Daynunay, outside Baidoa, between fighters loyal to the Somalia Islamic Courts Council (SICC) and government troops backed by Ethiopian tanks, artillery and air strikes.

    The government said it was closing all borders -- a largely symbolic measure given that it has little power beyond Baidoa.

    Government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari said the administration approved of Ethiopia's use of air power.

    "Anywhere terrorists use to bring in arms and ammunition deserves to be hit," he said.

    Ethiopia said it had attacked the capital's airport because the government had declared Somalia's borders closed.

    "It was attacked because illegal flights were attempting to land there," said Ethiopian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ambassador Solomon Abede. "It was also reported that some of the extremists were waiting for an airlift out of Mogadishu."

    Aid agencies operating in Somalia said they had not been informed about the closure of borders.

    The Islamists accused Ethiopia of targeting civilians.

    "This latest attack has come at time when so many people are traveling to attend hajj," Abdi Kafi, a senior SICC official, said of the Mogadishu air raid. "It is a shocking attack."

    The interim government's prime minister, Ali Mohamed Gedi, told Reuters 8,000 foreign fighters had poured into Somalia to back the Islamists. He concurred with a recent U.S. accusation that the Islamists' top ranks were controlled by al Qaeda.

    Both sides say they have killed hundreds of opponents in days of battles with mortars, rockets, machine guns and tanks, although there has been no independent verification.

    Somalia's ambassador to Ethiopia said government forces had killed 500 Islamist troops, most of them Eritreans.

    A Baidoa taxi driver told Reuters he saw Ethiopian military trucks ferrying injured from the frontlines on Monday.

    "I can see seven big trucks carrying wounded Ethiopian soldiers lying on bloodstained mattresses," Abdullahi Hassan said by telephone. "They are heading towards the airport."

    The Islamists claim broad popular support and say their main aim is to restore order to Somalia after years of anarchy.

    Addis Ababa fears a hardline Muslim state on its doorstep and accuses the SICC of wanting to annex Ethiopia's ethnically Somali Ogaden region. U.N. experts said recently 10 different countries were illegally arming both sides.

    Neighboring Kenya is bracing itself for an upsurge in refugee flows across its northern border from Somalia. And aid agencies are seeking to help hundreds of thousands of Somalis affected by the conflict and the worst floods for years.

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    I've been keeping up with this development for the past few weeks (War Nerd has been also apparently, and even posted an article on it awhile ago that I just found), but this is definitely going to be an interesting little conflict/quasi proxy war.

    Though to be honest if I had to place a bet on who's gonna pull through it'd be for the Ethiopians. They have a proud and damned impressive warfighting tradition as the only African country that was never colonized. It's also pretty obvious that they've chosen to intervene in Somalia before the ICU (i.e. Islamic militia backed and supplied by a number of Middle Eastern states and terrorist organizations) wipes out their opposition and can pose more of a threat, with the intention of reducing them "back down to size" so they can't unify Somalia under their banner.

    Anyone else been following this?
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    A bit off topic, but Ethiopia was colonized by Italy in the 30s. Goddamn, I've been revising a lot for my GCSEs

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    So you've "been keeping up" with it yet you lie when you state that Ethiopia is the one that declared war?
    It was actually the Somalian jihadists who declared jihad on Ethiopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turd View Post
    So you've "been keeping up" with it yet you lie when you state that Ethiopia is the one that declared war?
    It was actually the Somalian jihadists who declared jihad on Ethiopia.
    No it was Ethiopia who sent military advisors first. After that they sent troops and then the islamists declared the "holy war".
    Remember people that the only thing why Ethiopia is doing this is that they want land. Especially few coastal towns to gain access to the sea.

    Whats better is that people automatically assume that since ICU is muslim organization they are bad.
    The ICU stopped the warlords from killing innocent people, they outlawed pirates and actually have worked to get rid of them.
    I remember when people here were all agreeing that the pirates need to go and now that they are getting their asses kicked its suddenly bad because the ones doing the ass kicking are the ICU.
    Besides 95% of somalis are muslim so this is NOT a case of muslims taking over Somalia.
    Is it not good that they bring stability to a country that has been in war for the last 20 years?

    Now thanks to irrational fears, Somalia is once again in total chaos because if Ethiopia gets what they want, the warlords are back.
    If the ICU calls for foreign jihadists for help, the west can blame themselfs because they automatically are against ICU just because theres the word "Islamic" in the organizations name.
    Its only logical that they turn to whoever is willing to help them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    They have a proud and damned impressive warfighting tradition as the only African country that was never colonized.
    actually, that goes to Liberia. Ethopia was conquered by the Italians in 1936.

    edit: Shyam beat me to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by turd
    So you've "been keeping up" with it yet you lie when you state that Ethiopia is the one that declared war?
    It was actually the Somalian jihadists who declared jihad on Ethiopia.
    so do you have anything to back that up or are you just going to insult people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    actually, that goes to Liberia. Ethopia was conquered by the Italians in 1936.

    edit: Shyam beat me to it.
    Well yea, Liberia was granted special status from the west though, they didn't have to fight for it. And the Ethiopians put up one helluva fight though. I'm not sure I would consider it an colonization, more like a standard occupation during world war II. Definitely my favourite African country.
    Last edited by Armfelt; December 25, 2006 at 09:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Armfelt View Post
    Well yea, Liberia was granted special status from the west though, they didn't have to fight for it. And the Ethiopians put up one helluva fight though. I'm not sure I would consider it an colonization, more like a standard occupation during world war II. Definitely my favourite African country.
    Sorry, a few years before WW2 started (Hoare-Laval Pact, I believe, giving Italy sovereignety over Abyssinia, most of it anyway)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam Popat View Post
    Sorry, a few years before WW2 started (Hoare-Laval Pact, I believe, giving Italy sovereignety over Abyssinia, most of it anyway)
    I disagree with the idea of an absolute starting date for WW II, it began at different time for diffent people, for the Chinese and Ethipians very early, and for the Americans quite late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Armfelt View Post
    I disagree with the idea of an absolute starting date for WW II, it began at different time for diffent people, for the Chinese and Ethipians very early, and for the Americans quite late.
    I agree, but Ethiopia was still colonized. Even though it was for a very short time.

    Anyways, Ive been following this for the past week, read the article from the War nerd. My dad told me when it all erupted, I laughed, im not surprised. I read a new article just today about Ethiopian bombers bombing the Airport in the Somolian capital. Anyways, Ethiopia is going to trounce Somolia, no doubt.

    Bloody forum glitches. I made a post but its not showing up. I was trying to say that Ive been keeping up on this for a week, and read first thing this morning that Ethiopia was starting to bomb the Airport in Somolia's capital.

    And just for some good old fashion Canadian, American bashing;
    Rzza>
    We'd be Canada.
    Yet, Canada joins the conflicts that really matter in the world, quite a few years before America. In fact, the only time America joins any war that actually matters, is after their Civilians have been attacked, or their ships. Nah, if you didn't join in on every war, you would be yourself pre WW1. Canada has a traditon of fighting, America has a tradition of being Isolastinist until someone fires the first shot, than America declares themselves the savours of the free world.

    EDIT: So now my post shows up...glorious...
    Last edited by Katrina; December 25, 2006 at 10:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Armfelt View Post
    I disagree with the idea of an absolute starting date for WW II, it began at different time for diffent people, for the Chinese and Ethipians very early, and for the Americans quite late.
    It started the day the Versailles Treaty was signed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Armfelt View Post
    Well yea, Liberia was granted special status from the west though, they didn't have to fight for it. And the Ethiopians put up one helluva fight though. I'm not sure I would consider it an colonization, more like a standard occupation during world war II. Definitely my favourite African country.

    Sorry, I didn't mean that they had to fight for their independence, but rather that they were the only African country not to be controlled (one way or another) by a European country. As for Ethopia, I suppose I wouldn't really consider it to be "colonized" (in the traditional sense of the word) either. Though I do believe Mussolini fully intended it to be an Italian colony.
    Last edited by Last Roman; December 25, 2006 at 06:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    so do you have anything to back that up or are you just going to insult people?
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...ethiopia_x.htm
    Somali militant urges holy war on Ethiopia

    http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...1_%5BFeed%5D-3
    Somali Islamists urge Muslims worldwide to join jihad

    http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/Cris...-R5-Alertnet-3
    Somali Islamists declare 'jihad' against Ethiopia
    Last edited by imb39; December 25, 2006 at 12:37 PM. Reason: Flam

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    holy crap!!

    i was hoping for something to kick off earlier next year,but santa gave it to me earlier!
    now we have something to talk about!

    anyway,good luck to ethiopia in winning the war.
    they need to slap down those radical and extremists islamists back down into place.

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    holy crap!!

    i was hoping for something to kick off earlier next year,but santa gave it to me earlier!
    now we have something to talk about!
    How delightfully moral.

    What i am intrigued about is that Ethiopian action in this sector is being fairly well praised at the moment here.

    But i do wonder if we would praise the U.S. for doing exactly the same thing...
    Last edited by rez; December 25, 2006 at 10:58 AM.

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    Ethiopia deserves back up from US/EU to wipe out somalian lunatics for good.

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    Remember folks, CAIR praised the takeover of Somalia by the muslim thugs as "a positive change"!

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    Meh. I can't say I wasn't expecting this. It was only a matter of time

    The Ethiopians have a lot of interests in Somalia, and have invaded Somalia in the past. They certainly arent' going to want terrorists ruling a country in their backyard

    We're also in here pretty deep, the provisional government of Somalia (under Ethiopian protection) is CIA-backed. It'll be interesting to see what the CIA would do.
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    Yet another endless war in Africa. If only Africans would get rid of tribalism and unite for their own betterment.


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    The ICU (Islamic Courts Union) is definitely a dangerous force. It is backed by the Syrians, Egyptians, and Hezbollah to name a few. It is also receiving direct supplies, including heavy weapons, from neighboring Eritrea. I think that the Muslims will win their holy war if only because of their sheer fanaticism.

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    Crusade!
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