Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
As in next faction? Well, I might do either trier to the north, and not do as much of a fleshed out military roster, so maybe more of a militia roster, and maybe use lorraine and flanders inspired units.Originally Posted by Visarion
Or, I could go south and do either Provence, dauphine, or Savoy. But I think I might be doing trier.
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
But for right now, I need to get the generals done for lorraine lol.
Alexandros
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Is Flanders on your "to do" list as well!?
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
No I believe someone is working on Flanders, when I mean Flanders inspired, I mean like mercenaries from Flanders. They were a huge mercenary supplier during that time, so I might be able to use them. There's also a county of spongelm (or something like that) that had land with trier, I could use them as well.
Laetus
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Hello, Moïen, Bonjour !
I'm here to talk with you about Lorraine, and his history. I'm a grand player of TW games, i love history, and....i'm historian ! at your service.
So, can i suggest you some ( a lot) of modification from you work for a better Lorraine ?
i've all the stuff you need: book, map, letter, nobility list and genealogy...heraldy of the greater and lower nobility.
it's a real pleasure to help you if you want.
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Sure! If you have things for lorraine, go ahead and link them! And, any suggestions are appreciated!Hello, Moïen, Bonjour !
I'm here to talk with you about Lorraine, and his history. I'm a grand player of TW games, i love history, and....i'm historian ! at your service.
So, can i suggest you some ( a lot
i've all the stuff you need: book, map, letter, nobility list and genealogy...heraldy of the greater and lower nobility.
it's a real pleasure to help you if you want.
Laetus
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Ok, at first, you need the history of Lorraine.
In the first time of the duchy (869-1200), there is two different languages: Lorrain Roman ( Langue d'Oïl, french familly group) and Francique ( Mosel Frankish / Lothrìngerplatt, one of the first german language speaked by the Franks ), but it's one same culture ( but some difference with far west and south of the duchy, like Vosges). After 1250-1300, the duchy is divided in two bailly, Loherraine (Roman) and "Allemagne"(Francique), but the second is now reduce by 50%, so all the countys in the north east.
Lorraine is border by France and burgundy in west and south west, imperial county of burgundy ( Franche-comté) in south, Luxembourg, Tier and Palatinate in north ans the Alsace, Decapolis and Habsbourg territory in east.
I don't know how do you translate "Lorrain" in english, Lorrainian ? in some historical games/mod, that word is don't translate.
What do you need exactly for the Lorraine in the mod ?
Heraldy ?
General names ?
specific unit name ?
tell me all what you need, i'm here for you.
( sorry for my really bad english
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Hmm, well I would mostly need heraldry and unit names, possibly in Lorrain or Lorraine Franconian. I wanted to use mostly Lorrain based names for the 15th century units, but the best I found was some (not very good) Alsatian translation site that has nothing of value in military terms, I.e. levy, city, guild, spearmen, crossbowmen, etc. So I've been using Alsatian, German and French for the most part. If Lorrain was something spoken a lot in the 14th century, I could use some Lorrain names, instead of the 'Lorrainer "insert name here" '. But I think it's either Lorrain or Lorrainer for the English version of people hailing from lorraine.Ok, at first, you need the history of Lorraine.
In the first time of the duchy (869-1200), there is two different languages: Lorrain Roman ( Langue d'Oïl, french familly group) and Francique ( Mosel Frankish / Lothrìngerplatt, one of the first german language speaked by the Franks ), but it's one same culture ( but some difference with far west and south of the duchy, like Vosges). After 1250-1300, the duchy is divided in two bailly, Loherraine (Roman) and "Allemagne"(Francique), but the second is now reduce by 50%, so all the countys in the north east.
Lorraine is border by France and burgundy in west and south west, imperial county of burgundy ( Franche-comté) in south, Luxembourg, Tier and Palatinate in north ans the Alsace, Decapolis and Habsbourg territory in east.
I don't know how do you translate "Lorrain" in english, Lorrainian ? in some historical games/mod, that word is don't translate.
What do you need exactly for the Lorraine in the mod ?
Heraldy ?
General names ?
specific unit name ?
tell me all what you need, i'm here for you.
( sorry for my really bad english
Other than that, maybe heraldry, I've been using some cadet branches of the ruling houses during the medieval period and put them together, so I have Limburg, ravensburg, Châtlet, Lorraine, Cappenburg, Lietard, Salm, salm-neuburg, de Leoncourt, vaudemont, Ardennes / boullion, and theres probably one or two I missed. But I wanted to make sure these made sense, because like Limburg and anoher branch I listed come from lower lorraine, which would be Brabant by the time of the mod. If you have any more Lorraine-loyal houses you have info on, I would appreciate it. Something else too is I kinda bunched in Alsace with lorraine as one faction just because it would seem as if there was no rivalry between the two regions, and in layer years (I.e. around WWI era) the region of Alsace-Lorraine changed sides quite a bit. So yeah, im tying to think if thats a good idea to include Alsace in with lorraine or not.
But that's mostly it.
Last edited by Azrien Fox; May 21, 2017 at 04:09 PM.
Laetus
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Hmmm that's not so difficult, just a little lot of time for the units name in Lorrain and Franconian, ( i have to read very old book in my library, big book with little words)
For the loyal houses in Lorraine, it's the Grands Chevaux ( greater chivalry ): d'Haraucourt, de Lenoncourt, de Ligniville and du Châtelet. And for a much bigger list of loyal house you can add: de Salm, de Briey, d'Haussonville, de Fléville, des Armoises, de Ludres
But for some exemple in the 14/15th:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
And for the Heraldy:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
In the period of the mod, Alsace is a vassal, and in 14/15th, not good relations....lot of war between Lorraine et Alsace.
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Thank you for researching that stuff! Yeah well I dont need much in terms of Lorrain words, I did also want to use Alsatian, but seeing as how alsace wasn't good with lorraine, I can change my name's up a bit.
I really though wanted to keep the multicultural aspect that Lorraine has seeing as how they're on the border of many major and minor powers, so I really want to keep the sawell de mann as their unit name, but I would probably use the Lorrain word maybe for pikemen or pike and then men, while still keeping the instances of German and French.
In that case also, I could rename the chevaliers to Lorrain Chevaliers for the high and late tier.
And I could maybe use some words in Lorrain to derive essentially a defector or traitor of Alsace, and use like the Neither Levy Archers and rename them to Alsatian (Lorrain word for defector /traitor) archers.
You know? Kind of show off the rivalry between them while also showing the influence other cultures give off on lorraine.
Alexandros
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Soooo... what is the verdict 4 that Coutiliers horses' head piece? Aaannddd what are u currently working at!?
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Wwweeellll, I took them off because I couldn't find evidence for them. I need to get an updated photo of them to post.
Right now, I'm working on generals, I have all the house-guard done as well as the tier 1 duke. I was going to get more gens done before posting a preview for them, but I could just post pictures now instead.
I've just been really busy these past couple of weeks so was not able to get more than a few gens done. I'll post images later of what I have.
Alexandros
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Yeah... I'll take choice no 1
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Alright, generals have been posted as well as the updated coutiliers. I also went in and changed some names of the units, especially in the late tier. I think, from the looks of Lorraine on the 1212 campaign map, it might be good to put Alsace in with Lorraine and give a unified approach with the names. Let me know if the names work!
Alexandros
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Coutiliers of Alsace-Lorraine still have it
Alexandros
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Names are good. Again u shoild change animation or put shields for Bas-Rhine Schiltron Militz. Also maybe rename Nobles of Alsace with dome French variant.
Alexandros
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Nobles d'Alsace montes and I don't know Nobles d'Alsace or Nobles d'Alsace a pied or smth.
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
I thought we came to conclusion before that a) shield and no animation makes no difference, and b) I wanted them to be a cheap pike unit. Though I should change them to levy instead in that manner.
I'll look to see what I can use for shields. I've used bucklers on the high units, so I suppose I could give the high unit higher amount of shields, and the early a basic amount of shields, ie like 30 or 40 percent of the unit gets a shield.
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Yeah that sounds like a good name for both versions.
Alexandros
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine
Merci beaucoup mon ami. Ca va? Oh how I miss Brussels/Bruxelles.
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