Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Duchy of Lorraine

[Visarion]

Soooo... what is the verdict 4 that Coutiliers horses' head piece? Aaannddd what are u currently working at!?

[Azrien Fox]

Soooo... what is the verdict 4 that Coutiliers horses' head piece? Aaannddd what are u currently working at!?

Wwweeellll, I took them off because I couldn't find evidence for them. I need to get an updated photo of them to post.
Right now, I'm working on generals, I have all the house-guard done as well as the tier 1 duke. I was going to get more gens done before posting a preview for them, but I could just post pictures now instead.
I've just been really busy these past couple of weeks so was not able to get more than a few gens done. I'll post images later of what I have.

[Visarion]

Yeah... I'll take choice no 1 Post 'em!

[Azrien Fox]

Alright, generals have been posted as well as the updated coutiliers. I also went in and changed some names of the units, especially in the late tier. I think, from the looks of Lorraine on the 1212 campaign map, it might be good to put Alsace in with Lorraine and give a unified approach with the names. Let me know if the names work!

[Visarion]

Coutiliers of Alsace-Lorraine still have it

[Visarion]

Names are good. Again u shoild change animation or put shields for Bas-Rhine Schiltron Militz. Also maybe rename Nobles of Alsace with dome French variant.

[Azrien Fox]

Names are good. Again u shoild change animation or put shields for Bas-Rhine Schiltron Militz.

I thought we came to conclusion before that a) shield and no animation makes no difference, and b) I wanted them to be a cheap pike unit. Though I should change them to levy instead in that manner.

I'll look to see what I can use for shields. I've used bucklers on the high units, so I suppose I could give the high unit higher amount of shields, and the early a basic amount of shields, ie like 30 or 40 percent of the unit gets a shield.

[Visarion]

Nobles d'Alsace montes and I don't know Nobles d'Alsace or Nobles d'Alsace a pied or smth.

[Azrien Fox]

Nobles d'Alsace montes and I don't know Nobles d'Alsace or Nobles d'Alsace a pied or smth.

Yeah that sounds like a good name for both versions.

[Visarion]

Merci beaucoup mon ami. Ca va? Oh how I miss Brussels/Bruxelles.

[Knight2708]

Really nice generals. I especially like the Duke of Anjou.

My only criticism is that the tier 2 guard of Vaudemont just like the tier 2 Alsatian chevaliers seem a bit under armored. It definitely seems odd that the pavise spears in tier 2 look more heavily armored than knights and especially the duke's bodyguard.

Also one final thing I failed to mention earlier is that it seems kinda of to me that the Jäger crossbows have swords as secondary weapons, that doesnt really seem like something a hunter would have or need. Id suggest giving them some sort of spear or simply a knife for melee as I assume that they are not really supposed to be useful in melee anyways.

[Azrien Fox]

Really nice generals. I especially like the Duke of Anjou.

My only criticism is that the tier 2 guard of Vaudemont just like the tier 2 Alsatian chevaliers seem a bit under armored. It definitely seems odd that the pavise spears in tier 2 look more heavily armored than knights and especially the duke's bodyguard.

Yeah I know. I tried putting things like transitional leg armor and hourglass gauntlets to show they were wearing, but I saw it as the tabard is a shirt that goes over armor, and if I put the ratio of tabard to surcoat with higher amounts of tabards used, then it would work. it would show that the knights were evolving their own armor to keep up with the times.

In all fairness, I need to update the chevaliers photo because it is very out of date.

[banskie100]

Really nice generals. I especially like the Duke of Anjou.

My only criticism is that the tier 2 guard of Vaudemont just like the tier 2 Alsatian chevaliers seem a bit under armored. It definitely seems odd that the pavise spears in tier 2 look more heavily armored than knights and especially the duke's bodyguard.

Also one final thing I failed to mention earlier is that it seems kinda of to me that the Jäger crossbows have swords as secondary weapons, that doesnt really seem like something a hunter would have or need. Id suggest giving them some sort of spear or simply a knife for melee as I assume that they are not really supposed to be useful in melee anyways.

the tier 2 guard of Vaudemont wears tabards much like this one B,C,F,G, tabard over armour except for the footsoldiers wears only the aketon/gambeson A, D, E.

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[Azrien Fox]

Something else I'm wondering is if I should follow the same armor structure for the duke and his guard like I did with the house-guard in tier 2. I was planning on using nobles as the bodyguard for Rene and have a special cross of lorraine horse caparison and armor, so that's pretty much done. With tier 2, I'm a bit unsure if it would look like I'm lazy just swapping textures for the vaudemont guard and putting specific for the dukes. Like i dont want my bodyguard units to look exactly the same is all.

[Azrien Fox]

Found a manuscript of Rene II at the Battle of Nancy from 1490 (middle of picture and to the left)!




I believe this is pretty similar to what the manuscript looks like:


Of course, spaulders, breastplate, gauntlets, and bevor would all have to be gold, which should not be too hard to retexture them to make them completely gold color. If it is too much gold, then I would just leave it as is. Thoughts?

Edit: The hat is going to be replaced once I get the specific helm model.

[Visarion]

Woooowwwwe

[Minnesinger]

Great but imo the blue of the duke of Anjou armor should be at least desaturated a bit.

[Azrien Fox]

Okay, I updated the photos for the merchant marines, sawell de mann, pavise spearmen units, franc-archers, chevaliers and dismounted chevaliers on high and late tier.

[Knight2708]

Okay, I updated the photos for the merchant marines, sawell de mann, pavise spearmen units, franc-archers, chevaliers and dismounted chevaliers on high and late tier.

Great work, it really is incredible how far this faction has come, the units get better with every update. My only complaint is that the pavise spears for tier 2 still seem a bit too heavily armored, they look more like a tier 3 unit tbh. In this period I'd expect more of a mix of brigandines and gambesons and less armor on the extremities, especially on the legs. This would also better show the transition between the 3 tiers, as right now the tier 2 pavise spears look pretty similar to the tier 3 version.

[Azrien Fox]

Great work, it really is incredible how far this faction has come, the units get better with every update. My only complaint is that the pavise spears for tier 2 still seem a bit too heavily armored, they look more like a tier 3 unit tbh. In this period I'd expect more of a mix of brigandines and gambesons and less armor on the extremities, especially on the legs. This would also better show the transition between the 3 tiers, as right now the tier 2 pavise spears look pretty similar to the tier 3 version.

Yeah i see what you mean. I'll put in some gambesons and maybe give more of the transitional armor kneepads I use on other tier 2 units instead of full leg armor. I will however leave the armor shown on the one guy in the yellow brigandine on the far right, to show a variety in armor quality in the unit.
I'm pretty sure other than that, I could maybe change helmets a bit, but I think they should be fine. Ive got mostly bascinets, and few eye hole kettles and chapel de fers here and there. I could maybe give them some other kettle helms and maybe some more chapel de fers. Could that help show a transition in armor tech?