Total Vanilla Beyond 1.0 Release

**4zumi** · April 18, 2017, 11:41 AM

@ marc
Hi Marc, I just replied while you to replied.

@ baselhun
There has to be more log. I mostly just need the last ten lines.
The end of the log should say something like "Medieval 2 experienced an uspecific crash and exited"

**baselhun** · April 18, 2017, 11:48 AM

4zumi
Where is that spesific log file you are talking about?

Also I couldn't find the geomod tool download link nor where world map file is in your mod.I only have the geomod file pdf which is a guide. The error occurs when I start the game, then it crashes, I can't do anything. I can't play even for one second.

**baselhun** · April 18, 2017, 11:26 AM

There is no log file in mods folder so I'm gonna post, default medieval 2 one.

here is my system log file

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Marc Byzantinum** · April 18, 2017, 11:35 AM

Dear 4zumi can you please have a look at the last post?

**4zumi** · April 18, 2017, 12:13 PM

@baselhun
no, not a specific log file. It is the one you found in the base game folder system.log.txt.
This text file normaly ends with an error report (last lines in the file), that Medieval 2 has crashed. Before these lines the error is usally mentioned in the log.

You can find the geomod tool here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ol-for-Mapping
And the download here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=1#post3894857

You will find the world map files where they are supposed to be data/world/maps/base

Ok, so you have a startup error.
I assume you could play the mod without an error, because otherwise you would not have asked after the heretics and ocean change.
So something must have happend between this.
Maybe some file got corrupted (can happen), in this case just delete the totalvanillab mod folder and use one in the zip file you have downloaded to replace it. (New installation of the mod)
If you have altered any files in the mod, you haven't answered this question yet, this could likely be the cause. In this case just install the mod new, like above.
Do you use the steam or the disc version of the game?

**baselhun** · April 18, 2017, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by 4zumi

@baselhun
no, not a specific log file. It is the one you found in the base game folder system.log.txt.
This text file normaly ends with an error report (last lines in the file), that Medieval 2 has crashed. Before these lines the error is usally mentioned in the log.

You can find the geomod tool here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ol-for-Mapping
And the download here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=1#post3894857

You will find the world map files where they are supposed to be data/world/maps/base

Ok, so you have a startup error.
I assume you could play the mod without an error, because otherwise you would not have asked after the heretics and ocean change.
So something must have happend between this.
Maybe some file got corrupted (can happen), in this case just delete the totalvanillab mod folder and use one in the zip file you have downloaded to replace it. (New installation of the mod)
If you have altered any files in the mod, you haven't answered this question yet, this could likely be the cause. In this case just install the mod new, like above.
Do you use the steam or the disc version of the game?

Thank you for your attention, I can play vanilla game just fine. I'm using steam version, I couldn't have played your mod just wanted ask those before starting to play, since I thought your mod is very promising. Also I just deleted the mod and reinstalled, nothing changed.

**4zumi** · April 18, 2017, 02:29 PM

No problem, I will always try to help

That is indeed strange, that it does not start up for you. Because it starts just fine for me and others.

Just to make sure, I will ask some questions, some may seem dumb but, sometimes its just a small mistake.
1. You did unpack the downloaded zip file, and did not just copied the packed zip file into the /mods folder?
2. The Total Vanilla Beyond mod folder is named "totalvanillab"?
3. The command line in steam is correctly named? (--features.mod=mods/totalvanillab)

Did you find the part in the log file I mentioned, or does it just end there? What you have posted looked like a half log file with a missing part?

4. Very unlikely, but maybe the download got corrupted. You could try reloading it.

If none of the above things are the cause, or worked, please just post again and I will try to help you further.

Thanks and cheers
azumi

**baselhun** · April 18, 2017, 06:15 PM

Sadly it's just ends there.

1)yes, it's unpacked of and zipped of course
2)yes
3)yes

I will try to download again, I'm assuming azumi faction might cause the bug since you delete the faction but it still exist on other files such as EDU. that is just a guess.

**4zumi** · April 19, 2017, 01:55 AM

Ok, I just wanted to make sure.
If the redownload does not work, please look again at the log file and post the last ten lines of it. Or just upload it somewhere for me to download so I can have a look at it.

Oh, and stupid question Number 5:
You do own the Kingdoms expansion for Medieval 2 and it is installed and activated in Steam?

The azumi faction ist not deleted, it is just renamed (Kwahrizmians).
Your startup error is a strange one, because I'm using the same version of the mod and the steam version and I have no problems with the startup. So I can't reproduce the error.
But as I said, I will try my best to help you.

**baselhun** · April 19, 2017, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by 4zumi

Ok, I just wanted to make sure.
If the redownload does not work, please look again at the log file and post the last ten lines of it. Or just upload it somewhere for me to download so I can have a look at it.

Oh, and stupid question Number 5:
You do own the Kingdoms expansion for Medieval 2 and it is installed and activated in Steam?

The azumi faction ist not deleted, it is just renamed (Kwahrizmians).
Your startup error is a strange one, because I'm using the same version of the mod and the steam version and I have no problems with the startup. So I can't reproduce the error.
But as I said, I will try my best to help you.

I have kingdoms expansion, I can go into kingdoms campaigns and I'm able to run third age mod which needs kingdoms campaign.

here is the log file

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**4zumi** · April 19, 2017, 09:10 AM

Thank you for posting the log.
Sadly, the error log tells me nothing out of the ordinary. Many warnings and a few errors to ignore.
The error that makes the game crash on startup is not displayed.
I know that some people get this startup error (to this day I thought it was only connected to the CD version), but I was not able to reproduce it or hunt it down.

The last thing I can suggest is, to unpack the vanilla game and see if that helps.
You would have to go into the games main folder. There you will see the folder /tools and there the /unpacker folder.
In this folder there is the unpack_all.bat. Run it and let the game unpack.

Maybe it solves the problem.

Another suggestion is to alter the "medieval2.totalvanilla.cfg" found in the mod folder, to your specs (I'm not completely sure if the mod uses this config file if it starts over steam) but you can try non the less.
Open it up with notepad++ and change the screen resolutions found in there, to your resolution.

And the last one I have, is to set the "medieval2.exe" found in the game folder into compatibility mode (try every setting from xp - to win8).
Make sure all your system drivers are up to date.

This is all I can think of. If this does not help I have no idea at the moment what else could help. I'm sorry.

Maybe someone wiser than me can find a solution.

**4zumi** · April 19, 2017, 09:24 AM

Oh and one more thing,

can you run any of the kingdoms campaigns (crusades, teutonic, etc)?
You will have to delete the totalvanillab command line in steam, before trying it out.

Edit: And did you try verifying your game over steam?

**baselhun** · April 21, 2017, 08:15 AM

I changed the resolution form that file you said, maybe that .old file is causing trouble I don't know their function at all. I'm redownloading right now, let's see if anything changes. And my game is unpacked. I tried running in diffrerent compability modes that didn't work either. Redownloaded tried again, tried to change .cfg file that didn't work either.Also just verified my game.

last but not least edit:after all these efforts, I tried to change .cfg file with notepad++ instead of .txt notepad(?), since notepad++ is less prone to buggy game edits. It worked finally I saw the game with my own eyes, right now I'm gonna edit EDU file to my own taste, it'll take time but I'm sure it will worth it.

Things I want to ask or tell are;
Castles can't build cannon towers
Castles can't have highways
I'm not sure above are intended, just saying.

Lithuania's priest is bugged, I took screenshot but all I got is dark window.
I have no idea what happens when a settlement has 2 same trade source, please enlighten me.

Also how do I make world is round even later?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

What does highlited number means? I changed the hitpoints, should I delete it?

**4zumi** · April 22, 2017, 02:10 AM

Very good.
Would you mind telling what it was you changed in the cfg file, so that others that may experience this issue can solve it too?
Was it only the resolution?
Thank you.

And to come to your questions:

1. Castles most definitevely can build cannon towers, as I build many of them in my games. The prerequisites are, that "gunpowder is invented" event and the castle has to be a citadel.
2. Castles can although have highways. The building of a highway is also tied to the "gunpowder invented" event, after that you can build highways in citadels and huge cities.

3. What about the lithuanian priest is bugged? I'm not aware of a bug, other than he may look like a catholic priest, but I'm not sure.
4. If a province has 2 of the same ressources, it will double the amount of money you get from it.

5. You can change "the world is round" event in the descr_events.txt. Just choose a turn number to your liking. But it does no other thing than reveal the left part of the map. That you can get to the americas by the northern route stands unchanged, as it is a mapping thing.

6. Things in the EDU behind ";" are comments/not loaded into the game. This was the original unit size number, before my change. I changed the hitpoints accordingly to that. All knights on foot did get 2 hitpoints, but half the unit size. If you changed this back to 1 hitpoint but kept the smaller unit size, they are not as useful anymore. So double the unit size or change back the hit points to 2, if you do not want them to be less powerful.

**baselhun** · April 22, 2017, 04:25 AM

I tell those infos from builing panel I might be wrong. As for lithuanian priest, try to move your mouse on him, the text seems bugged. For .cfg file from audio to last part of vanila .cfg file I copied and pasted. In your mod there is something above of [audio] part, which is related with your mod. I change everything except mod related text with notepad++

**4zumi** · April 22, 2017, 04:47 AM

The building panel does not always show every building, when it is tied to an event unlock.
Yeah, seems like a missing text for the lithuanian priest. Thanks for pointing this out.

To get this right, before I post this as a solution:
You copied the lines from the original cfg file located in the base folder to the medieval2.totalvanilla.cfg (beginning from [audio] and left the above [log], [io], [features] as it was, and it worked?

If so, I will include this info in the starting post as a solution for the startup issue.
Thank you.

**baselhun** · April 22, 2017, 08:31 AM

>You copied the lines from the original cfg file located in the base folder to the medieval2.totalvanilla.cfg (beginning from [audio] and left the above [log], [io], [features] as it was, and it worked?
Yes it worked.

By the way, naffatun suppose to have broken glass sound when projecile on impact, but I don't hear any sound besides burning men. I have never modded any sound effects or whatsoever, I think this is also case for fiery catapult, trebuchet etc. Please test in your game and tell me if I'm the only one has this problem.

Just a request you don't have to do it, but if you do it might improve the gameplay. Can you implement this minimod to your mod?
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...mod-V1-0/page6
Long years ago I was playing with that minimod, and there was a file that also let those princess use eastern european princess voices but I don't remember where did I found it.

**4zumi** · April 25, 2017, 02:26 AM

Ok, thanks for the confirmation.

I have also not edited any sounds, and I'm not much of a sound editor. But I will take a look if the sounds you mentioned are in my game and come back to you.

I will look into implementing eastern princesses, but can not promise anything. Thanks for the idea.

I'm quiet busy now, because I'm not on vacation anymore.

**Gigantus** · April 25, 2017, 10:52 PM

Regarding long loading times: I am suspecting you edited the mod with Geomod and did not delete the data\text\historic_event.string.bin file - it's a known bug of the tool. Simply delete the file and start the game again\load your save.
Regarding logs: change the log to trace in the CFG file
Regarding BAT\CFG for disk version - use the set from my Bare Geomod installation and change the mod line in the CFG file. Works for Steam and disk (universal BAT file system) - simply create a desktop shortcut for the BAT file

Code:

[features]
mod = mods/folder name of mod                # path to mod folder

[log] 
to = system.log.txt                    # path and name of log
level = * trace                        # detailed log, enabled
#level = * error                    # basic log, disabled

Other stuff: Creating a World - Starting Steam mods the easy way

**Withwnar** · April 28, 2017, 08:50 PM

I haven't read this thread but in response to this (from another thread which brought me here)...

Originally Posted by 4zumi

Some people get a startup crash, others including me can run the mod just fine without a crash.
The logs say nothing out of the ordinary, bug crash is not displayed. I tried every suggestion I can think of, but nothing seems to work.

We had a similar issue in another mod, where it continued to crash for one of our testers but nobody else. Turns out it was this problem and solution 2 (top of its OP) solved it for him. Why it only affected him I have no idea, why the solution works at all I have no idea, and of course this might not be the problem here.

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