Thera Submod is coming!

**Incredible Bulk** · September 06, 2017, 04:17 PM

Thank you

**Torvus** · September 06, 2017, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Boyar of Translavia

yes, I have made some changes, but I still couldn't change to 0 the cost for the guards, as I felt that will be unrealistic, so if some players still have some difficulties, they can change the descr_strat by adding more money to the kings_purse of their favorite faction, and the faction can have large armies. With the starting armies, the playable factions can conquer one or two neighboring cities, raise the taxation level and start to build agricultural and commercial infrastructure first, as they have, in the beginning, enough troops to defend their lands. and after a few years their income could be used to build up military infrastructure, and finance campaigns of conquest.

I'd rep you again, but it won't let me. Currently deleting the old files and getting ready to install this one.

**Incredible Bulk** · September 06, 2017, 06:20 PM

Currently playing with Romulo turn 3 CTD can't get past it

**Torvus** · September 06, 2017, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Incredible Bulk

Currently playing with Romulo turn 3 CTD can't get past it

Yeah, I'm getting turn 2.

**Boyar of Translavia** · September 07, 2017, 04:24 AM

I don't know what seems to be the problem

. I've tested it and it works fine, turn 28 without CTD. Perhaps our main Medieval II are changed by other mods, I really don't know.

**bobbyr** · September 08, 2017, 05:02 PM

I always get that turn 28 CTD

apart from that the mod is running fine, just can't get past turn 28 for some reason. playing as Legions of c. using the Steam Version

**Incredible Bulk** · September 08, 2017, 08:52 PM

I'm using the disk version can't get past turn 3

**Torvus** · September 09, 2017, 06:45 PM

Also disk version, turn 2

**Nerva** · September 12, 2017, 09:26 AM

Great initiative @Boyar of Translavia, I'm glad someone is still giving some love to Thera. I've been modding my own version for the past year as well, sadly the models db file has kept me from fullfilling my whole plans. Gotta try your version eventually.

Cheers.

**beermugcarl** · September 14, 2017, 04:30 AM

start posting system logs.

It would be my immediate guess that from your list of changes that the crashes will be ancillary based or trait based as those can be sneaky.

It's not map based or Desr_unit /Desc_ buildings based or strat based because people can get into the game. I don't think you have added any scripts? (even though i always add financial scripts :3)

so, to everyone i would suggest you delete map.rwm and if it still crashes, start posting your system logs as little attachments.
to the mod developer, just ctrl + f the file and search for error and see what is going wrong.

I haven't had a chance to play the sub_mod yet but those are the basic bugfixing routes to take.

the other weird thing might be graphics based, if people put their graphics to medium, it might for some reason work (i saw this bug at europa barbarorum for a bit, don't ask me why but some computers do weird things).

anyway, good luck out there.

**Incredible Bulk** · September 14, 2017, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by beermugcarl

start posting system logs.

It would be my immediate guess that from your list of changes that the crashes will be ancillary based or trait based as those can be sneaky.

It's not map based or Desr_unit /Desc_ buildings based or strat based because people can get into the game. I don't think you have added any scripts? (even though i always add financial scripts :3)

so, to everyone i would suggest you delete map.rwm and if it still crashes, start posting your system logs as little attachments.
to the mod developer, just ctrl + f the file and search for error and see what is going wrong.

I haven't had a chance to play the sub_mod yet but those are the basic bugfixing routes to take.

the other weird thing might be graphics based, if people put their graphics to medium, it might for some reason work (i saw this bug at europa barbarorum for a bit, don't ask me why but some computers do weird things).

anyway, good luck out there.

good point and thanks for the recommendation I'm going to apply that

**Torvus** · September 16, 2017, 08:11 PM

I can say definitively it isn't map.rwm. Since my system log is bigger than the file limit, I'll just post the last few lines, since I'm pretty sure I found the error, though I have not the chops to know what to do about it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

It looks like carl was right about it being ancillary based, but there appears to be some missing portrait files as well.

**Incredible Bulk** · September 16, 2017, 09:44 PM

This will be helpful in getting a patch

**beermugcarl** · September 18, 2017, 06:25 AM

hmm i have literally never seen this before '18:02:27.301 [bink] [debug] [data/fmv/faction/minor_lose.bik]Pause on' as it was the last line, it's probably something to do with this.

it looks like the ancillaries are actually firing correctly.
couple of missing portraits but nothing too ridiculous.

I have a day off work so i'll take a look at it myself tonight, but no promises as i had nothing to do with this :3

**beermugcarl** · September 18, 2017, 07:21 AM

ok, i have 0 ctds 20 turns into the game.

when exactly are you experiencing crashes? is it during load times? battles?

and as far as my opinion of the mod goes - i really like the new factions, i think they are really flavourful and interesting. I don't like the positioning of some of them because it really stifles the expansion of other factions or gives them 0 room to expand.
I know you did it because of complaints here but i really hate the amount of upkeep slots you have, i'm in the school of thought that thinks you should have 0 upkeep slots, or at the very least few because it is easily abused by the player and the AI doesn't use it. The economy in generally is poorly balanced but that isn't your fault, thera was always like that and these are just changes i am going to make in my personal version of the game. Also, i recommend you steal the AI from Europa europa barbarorum as it is pretty damn amazing.

**Incredible Bulk** · September 18, 2017, 11:42 AM

I get crashes early in the game between turns 1-3. And the happiness usually a soon as I hit the enter button and I keep going back to the game and it just won't let me get past it it just crashes and crashes

**Torvus** · September 19, 2017, 12:31 PM

What Bulk said.

**Maeglin** · September 19, 2017, 01:13 PM

The same thing for me, crashes when I press the end turn button.

**beermugcarl** · September 20, 2017, 10:15 AM

well ok, just an instant ctd on end turn?
are you using unpacked versions of the game?

there are definitely ancillary issues but i don't think that's the issue.

i'm not getting any crashes and im using the steam edition. seems like you two are using the disc version.
if Maeglin is also using the disc version then im thinking it is more than a coincidence.

i can try and find a fix, but i guess what we really want is the mod host to come back.

**Incredible Bulk** · September 20, 2017, 10:43 AM

Sorry I'm not that knowledgeable about this kind of stuff is there really a difference between the disc version and the steam version?

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