Remove "Archer Comands" (Third Age Total War)

[Rob13]

I had an archer unit which I'm converting into a sword-shield unit, I'm using MilkShape 3D 1.8.4.

So far everything went good, I removed the bow and quiver and changed the comment of the sword and shield to primary weapons. The only problem is that I do not want the "set fire arrows", "Enable Skirmish", "Fire at will" anymore, since I turned this bow unit into a sword and shield those comands are useless, I just want to remove them and then enable probably a "Shield Wall" command.

[jurcek1987]

Ah well, you also need to change the unit's EDU entry plus the animation in battlemodelsdb. Go to data/export_descr_unit.txt and find your unit. Its entry will look something like this (example from SS)

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type Longbowmen
dictionary Longbowmen ; Longbowmen, militia
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Longbowmen, 60, 0, 0.75
officer northern_captain_early_new_flag
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, can_withdraw, foot_archers, stakes, mercenary_unit
move_speed_mod 1.07
formation 1.2, 1.2, 1.8, 1.8, 4, square
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 7, 1, quality_mass_bodkin_arrow, 200, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr area
stat_sec 1, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 35, 1
stat_sec_attr ap
stat_pri_armour 0, 4, 1, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 1, -1, 3, 1
stat_mental 11, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 678, 270, 65, 270, 270, 4, 140
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 3
armour_ug_models Longbowmen, Longbowmen_ug1, Longbowmen_ug2
ownership all ; england, slave
era 1 england
era 2 england
recruit_priority_offset 25

Now start with the forth line (class). Instead of missile, this need to be either light or heavy. As for the rest, the best solution is to just find a similar sword+shield unit and copy its numbers. Copy everything from (and including) attributes, to stat_charge_dist. Then go to data/unit_models/battle_models.modeldb and find your unit (if you can't find it, search for the name under armour_ug_models, that would be longbowmen in the above example) and the entry should be like this:

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10 longbowmen
1 1
62 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/longbowmen_lod0.mesh 12000
3
7 england
84 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_england.texture
83 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_normal.texture
34 unit_sprites/longbowmen_sprite.spr
5 slave
83 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_rebels.texture
83 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_normal.texture
34 unit_sprites/longbowmen_sprite.spr
4 merc
82 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_peasant_padded_mercs.texture
83 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_normal.texture
34 unit_sprites/longbowmen_sprite.spr
3
7 england
69 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_england.texture
68 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_normal.texture 0
5 slave
67 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_slave.texture
68 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_normal.texture 0
4 merc
67 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_mercs.texture
68 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_normal.texture 0
1
4 None
22 MTW2_Longbowman_String
14 MTW2_Fast_Mace
2
19 MTW2_Bowman_Primary
14 fs_test_shield
2
17 MTW2_Mace_Primary
14 fs_test_shield
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

The parts in bold need to be changed, search for a sword and shield unit and copy it's animation entry, should be like this

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1
4 None
14 MTW2_Swordsman 0
2
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary
14 fs_test_shield 0
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

And lastly, if you want to enable shield wall, add this into the EDU entry:

formation 1.2, 0, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square, shield_wall

[Rob13]

Ah well, you also need to change the unit's EDU entry plus the animation in battlemodelsdb. Go to data/export_descr_unit.txt and find your unit. Its entry will look something like this (example from SS)

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type Longbowmen
dictionary Longbowmen ; Longbowmen, militia
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Longbowmen, 60, 0, 0.75
officer northern_captain_early_new_flag
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, can_withdraw, foot_archers, stakes, mercenary_unit
move_speed_mod 1.07
formation 1.2, 1.2, 1.8, 1.8, 4, square
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 7, 1, quality_mass_bodkin_arrow, 200, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr area
stat_sec 1, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 35, 1
stat_sec_attr ap
stat_pri_armour 0, 4, 1, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 1, -1, 3, 1
stat_mental 11, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 678, 270, 65, 270, 270, 4, 140
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 3
armour_ug_models Longbowmen, Longbowmen_ug1, Longbowmen_ug2
ownership all ; england, slave
era 1 england
era 2 england
recruit_priority_offset 25

Now start with the forth line (class). Instead of missile, this need to be either light or heavy. As for the rest, the best solution is to just find a similar sword+shield unit and copy its numbers. Copy everything from (and including) attributes, to stat_charge_dist. Then go to data/unit_models/battle_models.modeldb and find your unit (if you can't find it, search for the name under armour_ug_models, that would be longbowmen in the above example) and the entry should be like this:

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10 longbowmen
1 1
62 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/longbowmen_lod0.mesh 12000
3
7 england
84 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_england.texture
83 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_normal.texture
34 unit_sprites/longbowmen_sprite.spr
5 slave
83 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_rebels.texture
83 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_normal.texture
34 unit_sprites/longbowmen_sprite.spr
4 merc
82 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_peasant_padded_mercs.texture
83 unit_models/sandy_units/EN_Peasant_Padded/textures/gs_Peasant_Padded_normal.texture
34 unit_sprites/longbowmen_sprite.spr
3
7 england
69 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_england.texture
68 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_normal.texture 0
5 slave
67 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_slave.texture
68 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_normal.texture 0
4 merc
67 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_mercs.texture
68 unit_models/sandy_units/AttachmentSets/gs_attachments_normal.texture 0
1
4 None
22 MTW2_Longbowman_String
14 MTW2_Fast_Mace
2
19 MTW2_Bowman_Primary
14 fs_test_shield
2
17 MTW2_Mace_Primary
14 fs_test_shield
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

The parts in bold need to be changed, search for a sword and shield unit and copy it's animation entry, should be like this

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1
4 None
14 MTW2_Swordsman 0
2
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary
14 fs_test_shield 0
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

And lastly, if you want to enable shield wall, add this into the EDU entry:

formation 1.2, 0, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square, shield_wall

I already did what all that of changing the EDU and ModelDB entries... I still have not tried to add the shieldwall anyways, but thing is that I already changed the archer anymations for a sword one at the end of the Modeldb entry and also the unit type at the EDU...

[jurcek1987]

Did you change the attributes in edu?

[Rob13]

Did you change the attributes in edu?

Yes I deed!! I will show you the original entry and the new one:

Original entry:

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type Rhovanion Hunters
dictionary aum_Rohan_Dismounted_Royal_Horsearcher ; Rohan Elite Archers
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier aum_rohan_dismounted_royal_horsearcher, 45, 0, 1.2
officer rohan_captain_early_flag
officer rohan_captain_early_flag
mount_effect elephant +3
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, extreme_range, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit, stakes, stakes, start_not_skirmishing
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 3
stat_pri 12, 2, arrow, 200, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 15, 9, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 10, 6, 8, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 0, 1, 0, -2
stat_mental 14, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 930, 310, 90, 90, 630, 2, 250
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models aum_rohan_dismounted_royal_horsearcher, aum_rohan_dismounted_royal_horsearcher_upg1
ownership milan
era 0 milan
era 1 milan
era 2 milan
recruit_priority_offset 10

New entry:

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type Rohan Placeholder
dictionary Rohan_Placeholder ; Rohan Royal Swordsmen
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier rohan_royal_swordsmen, 64, 0, 1.2, 0.35
officer rohan_captain_early_flag
mount_effect horse -1, camel -2, elephant -3
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit, very_hardy
formation 1.3, 1.3, 2.6, 2.6, 7, square, shield_wall
stat_health 1, 3
stat_pri 17, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 12, 8, 12, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 1, -2, 0, -1
stat_mental 19, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 510, 0, 75, 75, 510, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models rohan_royal_swordsmen, rohan_royal_swordsmen
ownership milan
era 0 milan
era 1 milan
era 2 milan
recruit_priority_offset 8

As you can see I did all steps in the correct order, I even was able to add the shield wall command. Now only the "Skirmish" and "Fire at will" command remain, and the unit works well in melee, Is just now more a visual stuff, it is playable, but it looks weird having those archer unit commands, anyways if I do not find a way to fix it I will leave it as it is...

[Rob13]

Someone close this thread or delete it if possible

[Rob13]

NEVERMIND!!!

I just made a fool of myself!!! I never noticed and avery Total War game or mod has those two "Skirmish" and "Fire at Will" commands by default and they only activate when you select a missile unit... my bad!!! Oh !! This is ing embarrasing ...