The Putin - Trump Controversy: Here to Stay - Links between Trump and Russia are being officially investigated by the FBI

[Coughdrop addict]

Uh oh, looks like the Russian hoax scam is about to go south for the folks who started this BS and the news media knows it:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...veillance.html

Not quite.
DOJ watchdog expected to say FBI erred, but absolve top leaders of anti-Trump bias: report

[B. W.]

Not quite.
DOJ watchdog expected to say FBI erred, but absolve top leaders of anti-Trump bias: report

Yeah, I read that article. The problem is that the FBI lawyer that falsified the FISA warrant(s) information has been criminally referred by Durham. The lawyer in question is not some low level operator as the MSM would have us believe. He worked on the Hillary e-mail investigation as well as the Mueller investigation of the Russian hoax.

So, in essence, you have an FBI agent who worked to undermine the Trump campaign by using the FISA warrant process to spy on it also involved in the Mueller investigation to try and take down the Trump Presidency. Conflict of interest? You bet.Not to mention that the guy worked to clear Hillary of wrongdoing.

I'm sure the MSM will try their best to minimize this,but this guy was having daily conversations with people like Comey and McCabe. He was a high level official.

[Coughdrop addict]

Since after 30 years of Hillary investigations and 11 of Obama investigations you have not charged a single person with a crime I'd say don't get your hopes up.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The prosecutor handpicked by Attorney General William P. Barr to scrutinize how U.S. agencies investigated President Trump’s 2016 campaign said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department’s inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence, people familiar with the matter said.

The previously unreported interaction with Durham is noted in a draft of Horowitz’s forthcoming report on the Russia investigation, which concludes that the FBI had adequate cause to launch its Russia investigation, people familiar with the matter said. Its public release is set for Monday.

The draft, though, is not final. The inspector general has yet to release any conclusions, and The Washington Post has not reviewed Horowitz’s entire report, even in draft form. It is also unclear whether Durham has shared the entirety of his findings and evidence with the inspector general or merely answered a specific question.

Those omissions, while significant, were apparently not so egregious as to convince Horowitz to conclude that the renewal applications should have been rejected. It would be unusual for the inspector general to sit in judgment over the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court’s determinations, because his job is to review how the information was gathered and presented to the court, not whether the FISA court should have approved or rejected specific applications.

Horowitz also found that a low-level FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, doctored an email that was used as part of the warrant application process — potentially significant misconduct that Durham is now exploring as a possible crime, people familiar with the matter said.

When questioned by the inspector general about such messages, Clinesmith said that many of them were jokes and that he did not let his political views affect his work. A draft of Horowitz’s report criticizes as careless another low-level FBI agent who had some involvement in the Russia probe, the people said, though the exact reasons for that remain unclear.

Horowitz’s report addresses in detail the cause — referred to in law enforcement circles as “predication” — for opening the Russia investigation. The bureau did so after the Australian government passed to the United States a tip that George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign aide, had boasted about Russia having political dirt on Clinton.

U.S. officials have long said that they were duty bound to follow up on what seemed to be an alarming tip. The standard for opening an investigation is low. FBI officials need only an “articulable factual basis” to believe there has been possible criminal activity or a threat to national security. U.S. officials suspect that Mifsud has ties to Russian intelligence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...2b1_story.html

After two years and immense damage caused to the Republic by GOP and Russian conspiracy theories, including those peddled on this very forum, Trump’s own fishing expedition he demanded for so long failed to establish his confirmation bias. Barr will continue to try and manufacture evidence in service to his master, but the truth can and must prevail. Now, as ever, fiat justitia ruat caelum.

[Gaidin]

Damn. That’s uhh ...just.... damn. Has anyone let BW know yet? This is some pretty peculiar stuff. Not even the AG assigned investigation found much of anything.

[Coughdrop addict]

It was pretty incredible to watch. Instantly Horowitz went from the right's hero who was going to send Obama, Clinton, Shiff, and everyone else they obsess over every minute of every day to death row, to a deep state never-Trumper liberal. I think some of them even changed their opinion on him mid-sentence.

[B. W.]

Since after 30 years of Hillary investigations and 11 of Obama investigations you have not charged a single person with a crime I'd say don't get your hopes up.

After two years and immense damage caused to the Republic by GOP and Russian conspiracy theories, including those peddled on this very forum, Trump’s own fishing expedition he demanded for so long failed to establish his confirmation bias. Barr will continue to try and manufacture evidence in service to his master, but the truth can and must prevail. Now, as ever, fiat justitia ruat caelum.

Damn. That’s uhh ...just.... damn. Has anyone let BW know yet? This is some pretty peculiar stuff. Not even the AG assigned investigation found much of anything.

It was pretty incredible to watch. Instantly Horowitz went from the right's hero who was going to send Obama, Clinton, Shiff, and everyone else they obsess over every minute of every day to death row, to a deep state never-Trumper liberal. I think some of them even changed their opinion on him mid-sentence.

Hmmm, one high level FBI lawyer has already been taken before a criminal grand jury and don't forget that Horowitz has twice recommended criminal charges against Comey, but Barr's DOJ declined to prosecute. It is obvious that there are two different standards of justice being played here: one for ordinary Americans and one for government officials.

No one knows at this point what is going to happen, but it is a sure thing that a lot of ordinary Americans are going to be pissed no matter which way the rock falls.

[B. W.]

Even the New York Times recognizes that there was serious FISA warrant abuse:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...gly/ar-AAK1QRS

[Lord Thesaurian]

Apart from Kennedy indicating he clearly did not read the IG report, as well as alluding to his possible firsthand experience with hard drugs, Blumenthal summed up the fraudulent GOP outrage over FISA as they gesticulate their fealty to the orange leader:

“I welcome my colleagues' apparently newfound indignation about the potential reform of the FISA court and the process," [Blunenthal] said. "In fact, I authored the FISA Court Reform Act in 2013 with 18 co-sponsors -- all Democrats.”

GOP hypocrisy on FISA is nothing new:

The Same Republicans Who Pushed for Invasive Surveillance Are Complaining About It Now

[Gaidin]

The legislature can change FISA whenever they get off their lazy asses.

They won’t. They like ranting instead of fixing.

[B. W.]

Well, it looks like the long awaited FISA report has been amended two days after it was published, which means there is definitely something going one when one considers the legalese language that was changed. I suspect that charges are going to be filed against more than just the FBI lawyer who altered the applications, but who knows. I don't recall anything like this happening before:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-per-doj-barr/

[Gaidin]

Again, the legislature can change FISA whenever they get off their lazy asses.

They won’t. They like ranting instead of fixing.

[B. W.]

Former FBI agents are beginning to pen articles giving the rank and file agents views on the FBI FISA abuse and it ain't pretty:

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...r_is_good.html

To add to this, WaPo reporters are calling Rachael Maddow's reporting on the scandal as nothing but spin:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...e_dossier.html

Looks like left-wing media is trying to regain credibility by pointing out each other's propaganda pieces. What is amazing is that any serious thinker could have bought into Maddow's reporting in the first place.

[Phier]

Well this thread hasn't aged well for some...


I know so many wanted to believe it but his stank from the beginning. It just shows how much politics will mess with a perfectly functioning brain otherwise. I'm sometimes surprised when people who I know are quite smart, believe things so obviously dumb politically. I really do think politics are tied into the same circuitry as religion.

[Gaidin]

Well this thread hasn't aged well for some...

Indeed, last time a FISA bill was brought up it was only sponsored by Democrats and tabled by the Republicans.

I will say again. When we want to do something about FISA, Congress can get off its lazy ass.

In case you're wondering, the FBI is an executive agency. It acts according to the law. Change the law.

Easier to whine about it I guess...

[Heathen Hammer]

FISA was passed in the 70s. Democrats had everything they needed to do something about FISA during Obama administration, but they did not.

[PointOfViewGun]

FISA was passed in the 70s. Democrats had everything they needed to do something about FISA during Obama administration, but they did not.

Just like the Republicans before them and the Republicans today. Whats your point?

[Heathen Hammer]

Just like the Republicans before them and the Republicans today. Whats your point?

Quite elementary, my dear Watson: it was a reply to Gaidin's post.

[PointOfViewGun]

Quite elementary, my dear Watson: it was a reply to Gaidin's post.

That doesn't really tell me what your point was, only what your direction was. Will you explain your point or not?

[Heathen Hammer]

That doesn't really tell me what your point was, only what your direction was. Will you explain your point or not?

Huh? It is quite self-explanatory when you, well read his post and my reply to it. He said Republicans prevented Democrats from dealing with FISA. I pointed out that Dems had quite a long window opportunity for that for a number of years, yet they haven't done much when they did.