OOC Thread

[Lucius Malfoy]

Give a rep to Gandalf, BF and Jok for this work. Jokern converted the map for us, while Gandy and BF did a lot of work getting the provinces labeled.

[Pontifex Maximus]

So I'm aware that the current Neville is married to Stafford's sister and Stafford is betrothed to Thomas Woodstock's daughter, but are there any other connections to Stafford I should know about?

[Jokern]

A quick revision to the list of current office holders: Sir Simon de Burley is right now Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, not Baron John Devereux.

[Pericles of Athens]

Any political entities in Ireland open?

[Dirty Chai]

Any political entities in Ireland open?

As well as any smaller Anglo-Norman families

[Xion]

FitzGerald of Desmond or FitzGerald of Kildare.

Also, as there is no inactivity thread, my activity will be quite low until Saturday. Canterbury should be treated as a NPC I think.

[mic1402]

In this RP how are you working out what person/what family owns what lands?

[Gandalfus]

We've researched who owns what using various websites and how it roughly corresponds to a map of primary landholders in England, which is what we have used as a base. The mods have pretty much filled out the map and what everyone owns, so all that's required is for people to pick up the family and play it, as all their properties and such are listed in the map thread.


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[Gandalfus]

We've researched who owns what using various websites and how it roughly corresponds to a map of primary landholders in England, which is what we have used as a base. The mods have pretty much filled out the map and what everyone owns, so all that's required is for people to pick up the family and play it, as all their properties and such are listed in the map thread.


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[mic1402]

Oops, i'm a dummy, i somehow missed the "Political Map" in the thread. My bad.

[Gandalfus]

It happens

[Barry Goldwater]

I've come down with a cold guys, which is why I've been MIA these last 2 days (and had several days of extremely spotty activity before that). Hoping it goes away real soon, like this Friday or Saturday soon, but until I get better I'll be inactive.

Also yeah, like I pointed out in Discord we're missing an inactivity thread for this game, which is why I'm saying this on the OOC thread

[Dirty Chai]

Since Discord is down right now, Caterina...

The earl of Salisbury left a toddler for an heir didn't he? Do you have someone warding him?

[Mary The Quene]

Since Discord is down right now, Caterina...

The earl of Salisbury left a toddler for an heir didn't he? Do you have someone warding him?

If the current earl dies before his son comes of age (likely) then he will be a ward of the Crown in agreement with Oz.

[Dirty Chai]

Wait, he didn't die? Why did I think he was dead.. lol

[The Mad Skylord]

Internet bad, absent for a few days.

[Oznerol]

"You are Benedict?" Bogue couldnt see such a fat man being a master forger to be honest...
"Very well. My name is Thomas." He said eventually, he lied about his real name so he or his master couldnt be connected.

"I was told you are the best forger in the realm, it happens that I need one. It requires to forge the King's seal" Bogue said plainly.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post15293002

1) The royal seals, Great Seal of the King or Key of the Kingdom, were ultimately used only in the most important and simbolic documents, like those addressed to other crowned monarchs, the pope or such instances of power. It could also be used for domestic affairs, albeit only the most solemn occasions. For more simple and private instances the Privy Seal would be employed, like grants of lands or a bussiness that required certain privacy.

2) Such a seal was the peak of silversmith, the designs were very intricate and it took a very skilled crafted a certain amount of time to design and carve. The details into such a seal were plenty, including heraldic devices, the king's likeness, the intitulation around the border or even the carefully engraved drapery on the king's mantle. More so, it had two faces, each with its own design. In England there has been an standarized design: a face shows the king enthroned in majesty and the reverse shows the king armored and mounted, ready to smite his enemies to splinters. Two kinds of majesty: the king as law and order, center of the mystical body of the realm and the king as a warrior, peak of the feudal society whose paramount duty is to defend the kingdom.

Let's take a look to real designs of great seals, that have only survived as the remaining pending seals of surviving documents, which by no means could be compared to the intricacy of the original seal, as these would be only the decayed impression of the original matrix.

-Edward III's seal:


-Richard II's seal:


3) In this case, there aren't such thing as a "forger", the Middle Ages weren't a time of unwashed rudeness or lack of a moral compass. In fact, it was a time of artistic, cultural and economical development. In the XIV century we witness a time of great development of aulic art, that is, the one comissioned by a court, following the canons of the widespread International Gothic, which, aproximately, originated in Germany, specially in the courts of Charles IV and his son Wenceslaus. A style that was adopted by everyone else, including the royal courts of France and England. In such a time of artistic splendor, the seals would be crafted by the best silversmiths in the kingdom, who were part of the royal household, as part of the cadre of specialized artisans and craftsmen, like illuminators, silversmiths, goldsmiths, sculptors, etc... Considering the seals were an artwork, more than a straightforward way to validate documents, they were created by true artists, who worked in unison with other specialists from the court: the illuminators and painters would make the design, following the examples of previous seals, while the silversmiths made the matrix. Such, there wouldn't be an artist outside the royal court capable of doing such a forgery, at least a truly genuine one.

[The Mad Skylord]

@Oznerol

I'm still crippled by Internet shortage, I'll get to you when I can, not avoiding you on purpose. I'm on free WiFi while I'm out doing things atm.

[Poach]

Can someone come get me when this game restarts? I'm not going to try to join mid-game because last time that happened I ended up wasting half the time I was playing trying to chase down inactive or forgotten characters. I miss RPs and as much as I don't like the setting I'll give it a try.

[Lord William]

George Neville bows to his cousin, the Lord Gloucester, politely before speaking.

Your Grace is to first be congratulated on your elevation to Lord Protector. May you and your brother, the Duke of Clarence, lead this nation to further glory and continue the legacy of Edward the Warrior.

Now down to business, thought George, as he looks directly at Richard.

I have come to the court for a simple reason, Your Grace. Recently, with my mother's death, certain claims that she never sought after have fallen into my hands. Claims involving the inheritance of the Tiptof family.

The Barony of Tiptof and the Earldom of Worcester to be precise.

My mother was a descendant of the middle daughter, born of the 1st Baron Tiptof, a lady named Joanna. This very same baron is the father of the late Earl of Worcester, John Tiptof. According to documents, involving the marriage between my mother and father, it had been hoped that my mother would inherit the Earldom as an heiress to the Tiptof inheritance. However... it has somehow fallen into the hands of this Mercer family.

George resisted a grin, knowing well that this was a devious attempt at removing lands from a minor family in order to increase his owns.

I have reason to believe that the Mercer's Tiptof lineage is faked. For the only other claimants to this inheritance are already married off and not one of them is related to this Mercer family, who I hear claims Tiptof relation. I wish to have the courts get involved with this case of mine in the hopes of the Earldom is returned to the rightful heir of these lands, myself, as the great-grandson of the 1st Baron Tiptof. My guess is that these claims were faked and, thus, His Late Majesty was lied to about this. A very devious plot to gain land by lying to a King...

He may not be the elder claim, but that belonged to the Lancastrian de Ros family, who would certainly not be given it. The younger claim went to the Sutton family, another line of minor relation. Only a Neville was destined to rule the lands belonging to the titles of Baron Tiptof and the Earldom of Worcester. As he told the Duke of Suffolk, George would not let this peasant family rule these lands any longer.

​I had hoped to speak with you about this so that a court may be called forth in order to judge my case for these lands that are my rightful inheritance, by true and legitimate ancestry. Let it be known that my father-in-law, the Duke of Suffolk, supports my case and hopes that it is decided by the court in my favor. And certainly you, Your Grace, a champion of justice, will see the justified reasons behind my case and assemble a jury of peers to examine and judge this.

honestly I'm growing tired of this bullying, is there no one else to harass?