[SUBMOD: a Slower Paced DeI Campaign] TESTUDO v.1.7 + Custom Packs [upd: aug.09/20] - OUTDATED

[dacoga1985]

(Sorry if this messages appears more than one time... I'm new in this forum -veteran reading but first time replying-)

Hi Jake, congrats for your great work. Still pending to test this version deeply but seems that will add tons of layers for strategic gameplay

I'm eager to begin a new campaign next weekend but I would like to play it, if possible, with the "diplomatic limitator regarding army distances"... In the case that you need more time to re-do the script, will be this adding "save-game compatible"?? (I mean, can I start the campaign with the current version and get, once you finish the script, the limitator function or only will be available for new campaigns?)

Thanks a lot for sharing with us such a gorgeous work!!

[Jake Armitage]

I have to fix a couple of things regarding the new DIGS/DAIA features and yes, implement the army distances.
I'll probably release everything officially this weekend but the 1.7 version is fully playable, I'm at 150 turns with media and everything seems pretty fine anyway.
Yes, everything will be save game compatible (99% should be, hope I won't have to separate scripts)

[Cool_Ranch]

When do the Marian reforms kick in on 4tpy?

[Jake Armitage]

go to post #2
under dei changed scripts
under reform
open the spoiler and you'll have all the data

sheet is still missing media's reforms, have to update it

[Cool_Ranch]

Cheers, thanks!

[Cool_Ranch]

Sweet mod by the way, I'm really enjoying it.

I'm way past the reform date, I must have forgotten to research a technology.

What happens at the different army sizes (ie 1-2/3-4/5-6)? I looked over the rpgu post, but it doesn't seem to be explained.

What's the intended role for levy army commanders? I was thinking of using them for suppressing rebels, but the stats compared to a professional army just don't seem favorable. Even for light troops, which the levy army gets bonuses for and the professional army maluses, the professional army still has 6.3% higher defence and 9% higher attack for light units, for only 4.2% difference in upkeep costs. Then I was thinking of using the levy commander for reinforcements, but it has a heavy infantry bodyguard unit with a speed of 2, so he'll get badly outpaced by the light troops he's leading to the front line. How do you make use of this commander?

[Jake Armitage]

Thx

last time I checked reforms they were working fine, give it a try with the purple tech, other wise send me a savegame

every army size threshold (ie 1-2/3-4/5-6) defines slight variations regarding every effect bundle, I have a huge excel file with which I built all the ranges

i would advice remaining inside a sort of conceptual differentiation
levy is the less costly but the weakest and the less active regarding start map effects (po, banditry, culture things like that). It's also better for low tier and ranged units
regular is in the middle
professional is the opposite of levy, + better for heavy infantry

so, yeah, I usually use levies for risky but inactive border patrols or as side armies for reg/pro, in the case I have to do big conquests and battles.
something like a 16 units professional + 8 units levy + 4 units mounted
as an example

could be that % numbers aren't perfectly set, not so easy to do that.
i will revise them when I'll work on rpgu units (not BG only) where the bg will have less impact in favour of custom units

[Cool_Ranch]

The reform not triggering could also be due to the imperium level. Didn't even think about these other requirements before, as they're never a bottleneck in normal games lol.

If the levy commander had a cavalry body guard so he can retreat from battle, and the army limits for using ambush was raised, they'd be pretty interesting and definitely have a role in my campaign. The ambush limit of 7 units is pretty weak, and without the ability to retreat it's basically a suicide mission.

[Piros]

After 80 turns and it's hard for me to stay green, and with this mod I can't put any army positioning to improve happiness.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://gyazo.com/707354f7546080719abbdaf49a277e2a

I have taken a new province and I have 10 shifts of rebellions, even having 3 agents ....... which I have taken from my capital, which makes my negativity go down



https://gyazo.com/a0e775908f4cbaadb5405c020fe80260
10 turns of rebellions and what remains, and that I am in difficulty of normal campaign.............


ssss

[Jake Armitage]

@ cool
yeah I got what you say but i prefer giving them more specific tasks, so that player, sooner or later, think: geez... I should have recruited the other one
testudo is mainly built on, hope so, pretty correct limitations so to have the player thinking and take decisions, knowing he'll have good and bad things in the same time

@ piros
I see a 48 there, that's honestly really good. having 50+ and 75+ is pretty rare, that's on purpose

in the second condition:
- have urb and/or land admins depolyed
- leave an army there, armies in normal stance give po bonuses (similar to patrol)
- first skill choice for a general should always be the adim one, + po, + tax for every char deployed
- remove taxes, man you have -12, it means you should be at high
with testudo you should remain between removed till normal, mostly. just when you need some extra money next turn then use high/very high
take it slow, taxes are linked to the economical trust and it's better to keep that curve positive (which also gives some po bonuses)

testudo is meant... to be this way, it forces you to play chess.
if you think it's not for you then just quit, or maybe try it with tiny packs.

[Piros]

Turn 83

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and here my taxes, with a medium level I have -12 of discomfort xd

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and my general garrisoned

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and......

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and building

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all this only for a city, medium difficulty, and choice of medium pack

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How can I increase this factor?

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[Jake Armitage]

you have something bugging the scripts, you don't have any testudo army effect
and you probably don't have the faction ones either
that's the reason, you miss tons of scripted things, which are obviously 100% necessary, otherwise you are just playing a bugged game

YOU MUST USE PACKS COMING FROM POST #1115 ONLY, VERSION 1.7

have a look here, and confront with your game
you basically miss a dozen of effects and the entire economical trust system
set things right and start a new campaign

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also, check these links so to have an idea about what's actually inside testudo
i know it's boring but spend 10 minutes of your time
when you see that a mod have tons of written things it means there are reasons and it's worth reading them

PIGS (political overhaul): https://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?793347-SUBMOD-a-Political-Overhaul-PIGS-Alpha_02-(DeI-1-2-5)-upd-jun-09-19
DIGS (diplomatic limitator): https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...1#post15879401
RPGu (role playing bodyguards/units): https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...-upd-dec-01-19
VPS (virtual points system): https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...-upd-dec-01-19
#2 POST: check #2 post for other TESTUDO features


to install properly, follow the instructions inside download spoiler in #1 post (there is an example inside that spoiler)
here are the major notes but better if you read #1 post

1) Pick the @@_TESTUDO_MAIN pack
2) Choose one of the @@@_TESTUDO_TPY (4/12) packs
3) Choose one of the @@@@_TESTUDO_Paces (T/S/M/L/H) packs
4) Choose one of the @@@@@_TESTUDO_Pick_Faction packs

< Then >

A) Put the chosed packs into the data folder (..\Steam\SteamApps\common\Total War Rome II\data)
B) Remember to revert to the old manager: Go to Rome 2 on STEAM/Right click/Properties/Betas/Select the beta you would like to use/launcher_release_canditate.
C) Start Rome II
D) In Mod Manger, check "Enable Out of Date Mods"
E) Make sure all chosed packs are checked green. Their load order should be ok. It is given by the number of @, the more they are the more previous the mod is loaded/must be loaded
F) Play TESTUDO

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are you using other submods?
make a list please

[Piros]

my configuration before this conversation:

https://gyazo.com/82ec3c9e97103708b88b134a812d0910

https://gyazo.com/15b4885122577f54b55b7c8127f159ef

https://gyazo.com/36bf78a2b0cc7c3ce84afb8361b2ee32

do you see something wrong ??? because I do not

[Jake Armitage]

campaign camera
camera mods alter the main campaign script and so they remove all the callbacks for testudo
remove it
gonna check what it does and eventually release a compatibility patch

if you have some basic competence with PFM/RPFM I can explain you what to do btw

Here are the main compatibility infos
I forgot to put camera packs, gonna do it now


Compatibility:

- Play it at NORMAL DIFFICULTY (both for campaigns and battles)
- For GRAND CAMPAIGN only
- NOT SAVE GAME COMPATIBLE
- TESTUDO 1.7 already includes PIGS, DIGS, RPGu and VPS submods
- Do NOT USE ANY OTHER MOD with TESTUDO (except for graphical - you can't use Gerula's -, tpy)
- Do NOT USE CAMERA MODS with TESTUDO
- Do NOT MIX UP 4tpy packs with 12tpy packs
- For a 12TPY CAMPAIGN load the OFFICIAL DeI 12TPY SUBMOD too
- NOT MULTIPLAYER friendly

[Piros]

deactivate camera mod and nothing, then deactivate everything except divide et rule and this mod and nothing does not appear in the photo as it does in you

PD: other game with cartage

https://gyazo.com/d89363f98bd7ddb85b40850f9f775303

https://gyazo.com/c77bbfc2e915e6b6dae30128f19914ab

https://gyazo.com/a7a7dba4b5f9848799a0ff287781d9ae

[Jake Armitage]

mmhhh, there is surely some issue on your end

you can try 2 ways

1)
a. Clean out your data folder found in the Rome 2 install folder for Steam. Various mods can be active even without activating them in mod manager. And then put just what you need.
b. Reverify the game in steam to check local file integrity.
c. If none of that works, try deleting the Rome2.exe file found in the Rome 2 directory and reverifying your game cache in Steam.

2)
use mitch mod loader (instructions are for DeI vanilla, you'll obviously have to put testudo mods inside data folder)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/di18t5d3zqund83/file

[Piros]

Before playing this mod, I had rome 2 uninstalled ........

[Jake Armitage]

it's probably not sufficient to simply dis-activate the camera mod, erase it from the data folder
or use point 2)
or use kaedrin mod manager https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfil...?id=1399787504

[Jake Armitage]

TESTUDO 1.7 FULLY RELEASED

some good news (updated description):

- 5 factions more
- updated to last DeI version
- rebalanced a lot of things
- fixed some bugs
- AI should have less agents now
- AI will be slower to build
- a new DIGS system regarding a combination between realistic treaty script and de ai arbitris so to limit and have more historical AI conquests --> (PROPERLY FIXED)
- reworked completely the autoresolve (AI vs AI) --> (PROPERLY FIXED)
- min/maj culture now is affected by the real percentage of soldiers inside an army (thanks to MrTimbe for the script)
- rebalanced trade for the economical trust and added a new faction effect based on trades
- reworked the corruption trust effect (less hardcore)
- overall, should be slightly easier
- updated both Turtle_Parts and Turtle_Weights (re-download them if you were using some)


Some bad news :

So... I did everything I wanted to do except
- the diplomatic limitator depending on distances... yeah, I made some progresses but it produces heavy lags, really too much, the things it has to retrieve for every faction are too heavy. I'll see if I can find a solution.
At this point it will jump (if lags are solved) to 1.7.1
- the diplomatic VPS system, it has been begun but not finished

DOWNLOAD ARE INSIDE #1 POST
IT'S SAVE GAME COMPATIBLE WITH PREVIOUS 1.7 VERSION

have fun

ps. gonna do the alternative phalanx packs soon

[Falco]

Thx Jake!!