Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Voivodate of Wallachia

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Missile Infantry



Plăieşi Javelinmen

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Tier 1 / 13th century



Tier 2 / 14th century

Archers - Militia level

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Tier 1 / 13th century




Tier 2 / 14th century

Moşneni Archers - peasants who own some "moşie", i.e. land

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Tier 1 / 13th century





Tier 2 / 14th century





Tier 3 / 15th century

Crossbowmen

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Tier 2 / 14th century





Tier 3 / 15th century

Curteni Foot Archers - court servants; serjeant / servientes level

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Tier 3 / 15th century

Boieri Archers - the higher nobility, similar to the western knightly class

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Tier 1 / 13th century




Tier 2 / 14th century

Guard Archers - (capped unit)

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Tier 3 / 15th century

Plăieşi Handgunners

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Tier 3 / 15th century

Melee Infantry



Serfs

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Tier 2 / 14th century

Moşneni - peasants who own some "moşie", i.e. land

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Tier 2 / 14th century



Tier 3 / 15th century

Spearmen - Militia level

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Tier 3 / 15th century

Macemen - armed with a mace called "măciucă" . Damage: blunt and armor piercing

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Tier 1 / 13th century



Tier 2 / 14th century



Tier 3 / 15th century

Voynik Archer Spearmen

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Tier 2 / 14th century



Tier 3 / 15th century

Guard Halberdiers - ( capped unit )

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Tier 3 / 15th century

Cavalry



Călăraşi Horse Archers

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Tier 1 / 13th century





Tier 2 / 14th century





Tier 3 / 15th century

Curteni - literally: court servants; serjeant / servientes level

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Tier 1 / 13th century - javelin cavalry





Tier 2 / 14th century





Tier 3 / 15th century

Viteji - soldiers who got promoted to lower nobility due to their prowess and bravery on the battlefield

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Tier 2 / 14th century - Horse Archers





Tier 3 / 15th century - Lancers

Boieri - the higher nobility, similar to the western knightly class

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Tier 1 / 13th century - Mounted Archers





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Tier 3 / 15th century

Voivode

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Tier 3 / 15th century

VLAD The IMPALER (rom. Vlad Țepeş) - SPECIAL CHARACTER

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Tier 3 / 15th century

[You_Guess_Who]

I do agree, if Wallachia get a unit preview, then there should be a Turks High and Late Period Preview in the future, named "Ottoman Unit Previews". Sultanate of Rum would be able to use them as well, if they survive that far.

But anyway, lets move on from that discussion shall we? So, Vlach archers would have access to Poison Arrow - What kind of poison arrow? Certainly it shouldn't be the Vanilla Attila Slavic Poison Arrow that can randomly kill any armoured soldier in a unit in a given time even when there's only one guy getting nicked in the edge of the formation - Even ricin-laced polonium pellets can't kill that fast!

In short, we need to mix up our own poison, something more sensible. I'm thinking about a dual-phase stat effect, of 3-5 second shock stat (fear of the words of the enemy's arrow are poisonous), with second phase about 60 seconds of n% fatigue increase/accuracy/melee capability/whatever, any ideas? For the arrows themselves, the damage should be pretty high, but pathetic AP capability because even padded cloth can prevent the arrow getting through, let alone heavier armor.

[zsimmortal]

I do agree, if Wallachia get a unit preview, then there should be a Turks High and Late Period Preview in the future, named "Ottoman Unit Previews". Sultanate of Rum would be able to use them as well, if they survive that far.

But anyway, lets move on from that discussion shall we? So, Vlach archers would have access to Poison Arrow - What kind of poison arrow? Certainly it shouldn't be the Vanilla Attila Slavic Poison Arrow that can randomly kill any armoured soldier in a unit in a given time even when there's only one guy getting nicked in the edge of the formation - Even ricin-laced polonium pellets can't kill that fast!

In short, we need to mix up our own poison, something more sensible. I'm thinking about a dual-phase stat effect, of 3-5 second shock stat (fear of the words of the enemy's arrow are poisonous), with second phase about 60 seconds of n% fatigue increase/accuracy/melee capability/whatever, any ideas? For the arrows themselves, the damage should be pretty high, but pathetic AP capability because even padded cloth can prevent the arrow getting through, let alone heavier armor.

I agree wholeheartedly. Poison is too problematic in vanilla, it should just have a marginal effect (i.e. non-lethal and not exhausted for the whole fight off of one arrow), while keeping arrow damage respectable.

[Bobi_TWR]

Great units!In my opinion these units + some early bulgarian units are enough for a wallachian roaster.Wallachia was founded in early 14th century and wasn't major faction in middle ages anyways.

[Dom1no]

Very nice units, you are creating everything so accurate, congrats!

[Heisenburrg]

Damn, thats one of the coolest rosters so far...

[FrozenmenSS]

Quick note: the roster is not complete. The majority of units displayed here are for the tiers 2 and 3. The implementation of tier 1 units and the playable faction status of the Voivodate of Wallachia (to become Principality of Wallachia ) is still subject of debate, but we have ideas how to make them playable.

My take on the subject is taking the balanced and diplomatic way of making both Wallachia,Moldavia,Transylvania and the Ottomans - unplayable,but their late units from tier 2-3 be used by their overlords - Hungary,Bulgaria and Sultanate of Rum

For the Sultanate of Rum is easy - all of the Ottoman units will be part of the Rum's unit roster,But how will be done for Hungary, Bulgaria and others accordingly?

The Problem lies in the problem that both factions got some kind of duplicated units compared with Wallachia by looking at the units.

Serbia got 4 infantry Vlach units
The ''Moldavian Warriors'' unit should go to the Bulgarians(the unit went to Serbia due to mistake,not intended a year ago and I havent heard of Moldavian units serving under Serbian Rule) and Serbia should get ''Vlach Heavy Archers'' and with this I think it will be all fine for the representation of the Vlachs in the Serbian State.

Hungary got 5 infantry Vlach units already, I cant say if they need more units in the later period for example cavalry, but I would love to debate more on the subject.I think it will be all fine for the representation of the Vlachs as of its now,but the Mod team got the Room of giving Hungary more Vlach units if they want to.

The Cumans got 2 Vlach and I always advocated(like a hole year already) giving them 3 more of the already created infantry based Vlach units - ''Vlach Spearmen'',''Vlach Warriors'',''Vlach Heavy Warriors''. After giving them those 3 additional units do the Cumans need more Vlach units shown in the thread here? I would love to debate more on the subject also. I think it will be all fine for the representation of the Vlachs as of its now,but the Mod team got the Room of giving the Cuman Faction more Vlach units if they want to.

Bulgaria got right now only 3 Vlach units and giving them 2 more from the already created Vlach units from the Builds ''Moldavian Warriors'' and ''Vlach Heavy Archers'' and with this I think it will be all fine for the representation of the Vlachs in the infantry department, but for the late period Bulgaria can also have in its Unit Roster more (optional) units like the new unit shown in this Thread ''Voivode - Tier 2 '' at its bare minimum showcasing the Cooperation between Bulgaria(led by Ivan Sratsimir,Ivan Shishman of Bulgaria) and Wallachia(led by Mircea I of Wallachia) in the late 14th Century vs the Ottoman invasion in the Balkans and the Speculations at what extend Wallachia,Moldavia were still a vassals to the Bulgarians in the 14th century and dynastic marriages.


And lastly from where you read guys that the Vlachs were using poison arrows in the 13-15th centuries? First time hearing about this, would love to look more into the subject it if it was true.

[Lucem Mundum]

The Cumans got 2 Vlach and I always advocated(like a hole year already) giving them 3 more of the already created infantry based Vlach units - ''Vlach Spearmen'',''Vlach Warriors'',''Vlach Heavy Warriors''. After giving them those 3 additional units do the Cumans need more Vlach units shown in the thread here? I would love to debate more on the subject also. I think it will be all fine for the representation of the Vlachs as of its now,but the Mod team got the Room of giving the Cuman Faction more Vlach units if they want to.

I have no intention of adding more Vlach units to the Cuman roster, in fact I am actually considering removing the 2 Vlach units they already have, since the Cumans didnt rely on local levies to the same extent the Mongols did, not to mention the fact that I want the faction to be as indigenous as possible. Anyways, if you have any suggestions regarding the Cumans I would like to hear them in the Cuman thread.

[FrozenmenSS]

I have no intention of adding more Vlach units to the Cuman roster, in fact I am actually considering removing the 2 Vlach units they already have, since the Cumans didnt rely on local levies to the same extent the Mongols did, not to mention the fact that I want the faction to be as indigenous as possible. Anyways, if you have any suggestions regarding the Cumans I would like to hear them in the Cuman thread.

this also works.As for the Cumans I dont have new info to share about

[Visarion]

See battle of Posada and also check the Persian chronicles about Mislau and Bezerenbam in 1240 1241 1242. Informations are scarce but afterall it was the Dark Ages. That and Phillipe Mousket. About Moldavia search Olaha.

[Visarion]

I can't wait to see more of this ti be honest and I hope units will not be split between surrounding factions and Wallachia will be a self standinf faction and playable or at least a Hungarian depwndancy that will gradually become self standing...

[Roberick]

All of those look en amazing. Good work.

[warman222]

Just like the Seljuks thread I had to delete a bunch of posts bringing up the Ottomans and Nebaki's needlessly aggressive posting. This is about the Wallachian units, not the friggin Ottomans. Do not bring them up here again.

[Levan]

Tier 3 heavy cavalry look too heavy for units without horse armor. There is no harmony between men and horses.

If there is some kind of reliable source that Wallachians did use horse armor even in low numbers, i would definitely add them.

[Ltd.]

Illustrations of Wallachian an Moldavian soldiers are quite rare, and none of them show horse armour to my knowledge. Early 16th century may be different, but that is out of our time frame.

[Wallachian]

No, there is no evidence of Wallachians/Moldavians ever using armoured barding for the horses. Even full armours for cavalry were pretty rare and were only worn by the wealthy boyars and the voivode and his guard.

Any reconstructions we have from church paintings do not eve show armoured barding

[Kjertesvein]

I like the unique look. Well done doing something outside the box, once again Ltd. ^^

As far as I've understood it, Wallachia generally lacked armour? My only hope is that this will be an underdog faction with worse stats than it's neighbors throughout the campaign, and that is a good thing in my opinion. Generally lacking armour and having to make due with less is what makes a challenge, and inadvertently makes for an enjoyable campaign from my point of view. If a faction is listed as 'Hard', I want to play that faction. Whenever a faction is Op and nothing more than a breeze, it's really not worth the time slogging through because you know there is not going to be a challenge. Here is an overview of an other underdog faction, Enedwaith, for another mod that I recently thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish. There was never a moments rest when your units are poor. While they're two complely different mods, there are still similarities. Wallachia kinda sticks to my head whenever I think of Enedwaith, because the element of "lacking armour" is a somewhat similar, but perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe Ireland is a better comparison. https://youtu.be/n8ySs_KaGMg?t=19m46s

Opinion aside, cheers.

~Wille

[FrozenmenSS]

I like the unique look. Well done doing something outside the box, once again Ltd. ^^

As far as I've understood it, Wallachia generally lacked armour? My only hope is that this will be an underdog faction with worse stats than it's neighbors throughout the campaign, and that is a good thing in my opinion. Generally lacking armour and having to make due with less is what makes a challenge, and inadvertently makes for an enjoyable campaign from my point of view. If a faction is listed as 'Hard', I want to play that faction. Whenever a faction is Op and nothing more than a breeze, it's really not worth the time slogging through because you know there is not going to be a challenge. Here is an overview of an other underdog faction, Enedwaith, for another mod that I recently thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish. There was never a moments rest when your units are poor. While they're two complely different mods, there are still similarities. Wallachia kinda sticks to my head whenever I think of Enedwaith, because the element of "lacking armour" is a somewhat similar, but perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe Ireland is a better comparison. https://youtu.be/n8ySs_KaGMg?t=19m46s

Opinion aside, cheers.

~Wille

Totally true for me also .I got the fealing Wallachia will be the Rome 2 equivalent of the Thracians/Dacians factions in theme of playstyle of lacking Armour.

[Wallachian]

I like the unique look. Well done doing something outside the box, once again Ltd. ^^

As far as I've understood it, Wallachia generally lacked armour? My only hope is that this will be an underdog faction with worse stats than it's neighbors throughout the campaign, and that is a good thing in my opinion. Generally lacking armour and having to make due with less is what makes a challenge, and inadvertently makes for an enjoyable campaign from my point of view. If a faction is listed as 'Hard', I want to play that faction. Whenever a faction is Op and nothing more than a breeze, it's really not worth the time slogging through because you know there is not going to be a challenge. Here is an overview of an other underdog faction, Enedwaith, for another mod that I recently thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish. There was never a moments rest when your units are poor. While they're two complely different mods, there are still similarities. Wallachia kinda sticks to my head whenever I think of Enedwaith, because the element of "lacking armour" is a somewhat similar, but perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe Ireland is a better comparison. https://youtu.be/n8ySs_KaGMg?t=19m46s

Opinion aside, cheers.

~Wille

Depends what you are referring as armour. For example things like chainmail, leather and scale armour were fairly common. But if you are referring to full plate armour than yes Wallachia did not have as much as other more Western factions or Hungary. There are two main reasons: one is that it was not as widely available and expensive. But the other is that for most of its history Wallachia fought against highly mobile forces like the Tatars and then against the Ottomans. There is a reason why the Ottomans prevailed at Nicopolis against heavy armoured Crusaders. The Wallachians adopted tactics to suit this style of warfare and soon enough so did Hungary with the advent of the Hussars.

The medium style armour which was most used according to monastery paintings is a mix of scale and leather armour which gives adequate protection and you have represented quite nicely in the mod units

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A good example of the change in tactics is the use of the crossbow. In the XIVth century the crossbow was used when fighting against heavy armoured enemies like the Hungarians. But as time went past and the main foe became the Ottomans the crossbow fell into disuse purely because bows covered much more distance and were more efficient against the highly mobile and less armoured Ottomans.

[Ltd.]

Well, yes, Wallachia in terms of heavy armour may be an underdog, but having proficient and many archers, javelinmen, lots of lighter cavalry and horse archers should be beneficial. One just has to turn the disadvantages to advantages. I am sure the Hungarian king Charles Robert of the Anjou dynasty can tell a tale or two from his experiences at the battle of Posada. So do the mongols, or Ottomans...

When I played as the Getae in Rome 2 I always loved to set up ambushes to destroy much more numerous armies.

And you can always hire mercenaries if you feel the need to bolster you armies with heavier troops.

Btw, I tried to give them good armour since it is nowhere mentioned that everyone was running around in sheepskin. So the mosneni units should be pretty capable to pack a punch against anyone but the heaviest of foe. One just needs to combine and make good use of the troops he has.