Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Golden Horde

[Lucem Mundum]

Could you be specific on what is incorrect, and then a more accurate alternative?

The orange and grey pointy hats are Cuman, but the robes look fine to me.

[Dontfearme22]

The orange and grey pointy hats are Cuman, but the robes look fine to me.

The Shapka's? I was under the impression that Rus wore them too, but if not then i'll take them out.

--EDIT-- took them out from the Rus Archers just as a precaution

[Beregond]

The Shapka's? I was under the impression that Rus wore them too, but if not then i'll take them out.

--EDIT-- took them out from the Rus Archers just as a precaution

I was not entirely correct about the faces, after zooming in on them the "dangling" mustaches that bothered me a bit look totally ok, apologies for that. Similar to the old Rus mustaches style that transferred to Cossacks later.

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The hat with a front 'cut' on the crown though look a lot like distinctive cuman/turkic hat

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- perhaps this is what later evolved to modern mongol hilen malgai?

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[Ltd.]

Looking very good ! Will be great to try to outsmart them with western armies. Which leads me to balancing them: I'm honestly more in favour of making their unit count, with regards to cavalry for example , higher, instead of making their stats OP. It is not like they were able to defeat western armies because their arrows could penetrate any available armour or that they were warriors with skills never seen before (well, maybe, to some extent) . They mainly used tricks , surprise attacks, their numbers which they split up to attack from several directions and also were not bound by knightly code of conduct.
On the other hand their heavily armoured cavalry was also in terms of armour more than a match for western heavy knights. Lamellar armour tends to be grossly underestimated.

[You_Guess_Who]

Aren't the name "Cuman Auxiliary" better than "Mercenary" for a recruitable unit? The mercenary unit would be needed too, but as local merc instead of factional unit.

[OutsiderKK]

Wow, something's gone wrong I guess. I couldn't post at first when it did I tried to edit it but it just copied itself with the dates I tried to post it at first. . That is the first time something like this happend to me.

[Dontfearme22]

Aren't the name "Cuman Auxiliary" better than "Mercenary" for a recruitable unit? The mercenary unit would be needed too, but as local merc instead of factional unit.

For me, the term 'Auxiliary' is just very Roman and I don't know if its any more accurate than mercenary. One the other hand, I do see the practical gameplay related reasons for changing it. Would something like "Cuman Subject Cavalry" work for you?

[zsimmortal]

For me, the term 'Auxiliary' is just very Roman and I don't know if its any more accurate than mercenary. One the other hand, I do see the practical gameplay related reasons for changing it. Would something like "Cuman Subject Cavalry" work for you?

It depends what they're supposed to be. Generally, tribal structures were left as they were, so tribal soldiers would need to be raised directly by the Khan (or someone who was assigned to rule that area in his name, I'm not sure what the actual Golden horde administrative structure looked like), as there was no real authority over these groups. So you can just call them Cuman tribesmen or something general like that. If they're legitimately hired groups of soldiers, then mercenaries is just fine.

[Slytacular]

Well the way I read Genghis Khan's biography it seems that he just makes you become part of his big Mongol family. For tier 1, I think it's alright to have different ethnicities, but for tier 2 and 3 I would like to see those ethnic units mixed into one to fit a class of troop and become a people.

[Visarion]

Well the way I read Genghis Khan's biography it seems that he just makes you become part of his big Mongol family. For tier 1, I think it's alright to have different ethnicities, but for tier 2 and 3 I would like to see those ethnic units mixed into one to fit a class of troop and become a people.

Tartars...

[Dontfearme22]

Tartars...

Good point.

The issue is past tier 1, the factions are functionally independent khanates, and within them wildly distinct ethnicity existed. In the Golden Horde, the mess of Turkic peoples across it were very much blended together into new ethnic identities, but the Rus and the Genoese in the Crimea were not really included in that, because these were new Turkic, muslim cultures that were being constructed. So, even within a khanate as ethnicity blended and merged the new identities that resulted were not a new homogenous group but largely similar divisions, just along slightly different lines with slightly different names. Really, same case as pretty much every empire with very different ethnicities within.

[Carter938]

I feel like these guys and the Ilkhanate would also have medium horse archers and medium lancers. Units that would be less well armored than the heavier cavalry but still better armored than the light cav, and at the same time faster than the heavy units but not as fast as the unarmored light ones.

[OutsiderKK]

Maybe more variety with Turkic cavalry would be nice. You could check some other Turkic cavalries and horse archers from other factions maybe? Tribal units especially...

[OutsiderKK]

Maybe more variety with Turkic cavalry would be nice. You could check some other Turkic cavalries and horse archers from other factions maybe? Tribal units especially...

[OutsiderKK]

Maybe more variety with Turkic cavalry would be nice. You could check some other Turkic cavalries and horse archers from other factions maybe? Tribal units especially....

[OutsiderKK]

Maybe more variety with Turkic cavalry would be nice. You could check some other Turkic cavalries and horse archers from other factions maybe? Tribal units especially.....

[OutsiderKK]

Maybe more variety with Turkic cavalry would be nice. You could check some other Turkic cavalries and horse archers from other factions maybe? Tribal units especially.....

[Kjertesvein]

It's related to this.

1. Don't try to repost if something doesn't appear right away.
2. Mods will just have to go about janitor duty while the servers are getting fixed.

~Wille

[OutsiderKK]

The loading sign didn't go away so I thought it didn't send it. Sorry

[Dontfearme22]

To be fair, I had the same problem yesterday, just it was on the dev forum not here. Its just TWC is still having issues after the whole water-damage hullabaloo, just gotta tough it out.