ISIL War in Iraq and Syria II

[Vanoi]

The SAA has lost a major general in Deir Ezzor which is now split into two pockets.

[miggo]

Any truth to USAF conducting air strikes against isil in Deir ez zor in bid to support SAA?

[Vanoi]

I also heard the US conducted airstrikes in support of the government

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

They always did. ISIS exposes itself with its best units there so why not bomb them. Russian airforce also helps Turks from time to time.
@Vanoi: Which major general?

[Vanoi]

They always did. ISIS exposes itself with its best units there so why not bomb them. Russian airforce also helps Turks from time to time.
@Vanoi: Which major general?

Can't find his name. His rank was Major General is what I meant

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

Issam Zahredinne has that rank and was only declared dead by some foreign fsa fanboys.

Fun fact: the air raid on Deir Ez Zor killed 80 men (and the same number wounded). That is the same as Loyalist forces killed in the ISIS attack. + UK used a drone in that attack. I thought drones were used for detailed operations. It is just unimaginable how the coalition did this by accident.

Photo showing US troops in Mosul:

[swabian]

I thought drones were used for detailed operations. It is just unimaginable how the coalition did this by accident.

Because they are arrogant and detatched and ridiculously overestimating their crap.

[Love Mountain]

I heard that Eastern half of Mosul has been completely taken. More fierce fighting to come.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Can't find his name. His rank was Major General is what I meant

They are totally unknown to me, but those two are said to be killed:

Colonel Ayham Ahmad Suleiman

Major General Mohammed Faris

[swabian]

They are totally unknown to me, but those two are said to be killed:

Colonel Ayham Ahmad Suleiman

Major General Mohammed Faris

You have dedicated a lot of piety to two unknowns. I honor that. May the gods spare me from drinking your blood.

[Harith]

I heard that Eastern half of Mosul has been completely taken. More fierce fighting to come.

Yup.

And the army, surprisingly, has so far been professional and careful to ensure safety of civilian passage. So much so that even sectarian dimwits have nothing to talk about. For that, they deserve two thumbs up and a salute.

Hopefully they keep it up and stay vigil and disciplined even after combat operations are over.

[Vanoi]

They are totally unknown to me, but those two are said to be killed:

Colonel Ayham Ahmad Suleiman

Major General Mohammed Faris

Yes it was Faris I heard that died. Does Syrian government plan on trying to reinforce it's troops in Deir Ezzor or do they just have to hold out and hope?

[dogukan]

Sigh... When a bomb exploded in Suruç we didn't really see these arguments. It was terror, and no matter what it should have been condemned, with anyone that has any connection whatsoever to the perpetrators to be punished.

Whats is your point?
I survived suruc and i realize the mistake i did by trusting this state and going to the border unprotected as an open enemy of isis.
Of course terror has to be condemned and i am not trying to justify it. I am an active sufferer of terrorism myself, but i understand why it happened.

However, when a bomb explodes outside a stadium in İstanbul, or 3 guys tries to storm a courthouse, and direct ties are pointed out we're supposed to accept it as life and go with it.

No, you are supposed to adress why it happens and solve it. Dismissing the whole pkk due to some radicals doing a terror attack on civillians doesnt work.as for the attacks on security forces, that is up for a debate i d rather not go in. There is a war going on. The regime is targetted by an armed force. Thats just how the world works.

You represent cantons in Syria as Swiss level democracies, beacons of direct representation. The reality is much different on the ground. Yet, your reaction is "so what? others do it too" which is quite hypocritical. Clearly, I'm not the one who ignores the reality of the matter.

It would be rather strange for Turkey to have millions of Syrian refugees if people fled from Turkish FSA or if many of them fled to Rojava. The lands overtaken by the Turkish FSA is limited and still unstable to a degree but there were still reports of Syrians going back in from Turkey. Despite YPG controlled lands are vast and have been stable for a long time we didn't see the same kind of reports of people going back in in mass. I'm not sure if dissidents in YPG controlled lands are better than those in Turkey. Last time I checked, I watched how a group of people who merely held Iraqi Kurdistan flag was met with water cannon the same way many people in Turkey face when they protest. Feel free to laugh to that. What you argue here is nothing more than an exercise of partisanship.

My reaction isnt so what. My reaction is "even if your claims are true, why would it matter" to which i continue with, "what do you offer?"
We can debate the model of rojava if you want seperately.

As for refugees, you not seeing report doesnt mean anything. Have you seen reports if tfsa killing locals in jarablus and people protesting tfsa? Have you seen reports where turkey have already killed more civillians in syria than ypg did in 5 years? I guess not.
Thats probably because you are only reading supporters of your own narrative.
I cant believe you are against kurdish nationalism and blame pyd for taking down a kurdistan flag.
The things turkish nationalists say to ignore the kurdish reality...
Did you also check what happens to dissenters in krg? Did you also see turkish backed barzani kill journalists,
Hijack the parliement and shoot at protestors? No....

Be honest about your real opinions setekh. I can see it from miles away.

I ask again.
What alternative you offer as a solution?

[PointOfViewGun]

Whats is your point?
I survived suruc and i realize the mistake i did by trusting this state and going to the border unprotected as an open enemy of isis.
Of course terror has to be condemned and i am not trying to justify it. I am an active sufferer of terrorism myself, but i understand why it happened.

No, you are supposed to adress why it happens and solve it. Dismissing the whole pkk due to some radicals doing a terror attack on civillians doesnt work.as for the attacks on security forces, that is up for a debate i d rather not go in. There is a war going on. The regime is targetted by an armed force. Thats just how the world works.

The point is that your approach to terrorism is hypocritical. It's normal that some people are disgusted by it. "Dismissing PKK because some radicals do terror attacks on civilians"... What an amazing approach.

My reaction isnt so what. My reaction is "even if your claims are true, why would it matter" to which i continue with, "what do you offer?"
We can debate the model of rojava if you want seperately.

As for refugees, you not seeing report doesnt mean anything. Have you seen reports if tfsa killing locals in jarablus and people protesting tfsa? Have you seen reports where turkey have already killed more civillians in syria than ypg did in 5 years? I guess not.
Thats probably because you are only reading supporters of your own narrative.
I cant believe you are against kurdish nationalism and blame pyd for taking down a kurdistan flag.
The things turkish nationalists say to ignore the kurdish reality...
Did you also check what happens to dissenters in krg? Did you also see turkish backed barzani kill journalists,
Hijack the parliement and shoot at protestors? No....

Be honest about your real opinions setekh. I can see it from miles away.

I ask again.
What alternative you offer as a solution?

Sigh... Asking me why it would matter is asking me so what. It's an asinine position to debate over.

You're free to provide sources on it. I've been actively following this conflict for the past years just many others here. When I point at my observation of the absence of developments in that issue and how there are still millions of refugees in neighboring countries its a really bad response to simply give a knee jerk reaction like you did instead of informing us on this matter.

Am I against Kurdish nationalism (perhaps more than I'm against any other nationalism)? Or have I ever even commented on it? Does it matter what others do? Your opposition to my comments seem to be at an elementary school grade level juvenility. It's strange of you to see my "real" opinion from miles away, yet, you had to making stuff up about what I argue. Good luck with that.

[dogukan]

Will you reply to what you want to see in this region and about your ideas regarding kurds if pyd is a bloody violent terror group?

[PointOfViewGun]

Will you reply to what you want to see in this region and about your ideas regarding kurds if pyd is a bloody violent terror group?

Does it relate to the topic of justifying downplaying one group with terror ties? My desires and alternatives is inconsequential to our discussion. It's just your deflection.

[dogukan]

Alrigt buddy ı am a hypocrite and am in the wrong.

Now in relation to your opposition to pyd, may ı ask what you offer as a solution and what part do kurds get in that?


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[Papay]

I dont understand why people celebrate for the capture of Mosul. Bombings in Baghdad are daily occurance that shows that even if you capture these cities, rebels shift tactics

[Mary The Quene]

Yes it was Faris I heard that died. Does Syrian government plan on trying to reinforce it's troops in Deir Ezzor or do they just have to hold out and hope?

Helicopters are reportedly still landing with all risks.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Yes it was Faris I heard that died. Does Syrian government plan on trying to reinforce it's troops in Deir Ezzor or do they just have to hold out and hope?

Since they lost that hill that was protected by the Soldiers, the US bombed last year, it was impossible to bring in supplies and manpower by plane. After that they have brought in at least to waves of reenforcements. One 3 months ago and one around christmas. They had to be brought by helicopters. Since IS has the cementary even helicopters can't fly in anymore. A major problem is further that the cementary was the dropping point for UN World Food programm which played a huge part in feeding the probably 100k people inside the city which are under siege since 3 years. All that is possible know is making air drops directly in to the airport. The russians have done that today. The problem is that the parts of the city where the most people are, can't be supplied anymore. The militarisation rate of the population in the city seems quite high though. There is a paticulary high number of NDF forces inside the city. The numbers are unknown though. I think the worst part for the SAA is that they have an Elite Airborn Division at the Airport which can't use all their capabilities anymore. We have to remember that those were sent to Quamshili a few times when the city was already under siege. Actually they have one of the most valuable units there. I don't think they will sacrifice them. If everything goes wrong, i guess they just mount all helicopters they have left and hope that some get to Quamshili or T4 Base.