ISIL War in Iraq and Syria II

[Morifea]

Yeah I saw those things. The Turkish delegation also stood under a statue of Catherine the Great. Thing is though they have nothing to do with anything and no, the Russians did not plant them there to humiliate the Turks. If anything it was a a slip-up to leave them there. I grant that these pics are funny, but no one, especially not the Russians, will try to ruin negotiations through petty provocations.

Sure about this? Putin once brought a ** big dog to a meeting with Merkel, who is afraid of Dogs (If I remember she was bitten when she was a child).

[dogukan]

On 29 Turkish UAV strike attacked soldiers, then waited for the ambulance to come and attacked the ambulance itself. "This is how the Turks operate" says the reporter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOB5...ature=youtu.be

R&U videos.

This is some war reporting these ANNA guys are doing. Puts you right into the combat.

[ioannis76]

This is some war reporting these ANNA guys are doing. Puts you right into the combat.

True. These guys are doing an amazing job, the editing, the music, and all this from highly adverse conditions. They should receive a prize for this journalism.

[Tureuki]

If they truly did so, they probably did it as a retaliation, attacking the medical support right after the main attack is exactly what they did in february 27. That's a friendly reminder, ignore the unwritten rules of war and you will be responded in the same way.

[PointOfViewGun]

I'm stilling waiting for ioannis76 to show at what point in that video shows Turkish forces attacking an ambulance. Meanwhile, the Syrian regime and Russia is known to be deliberately targeting healthcare structure in Idlib:

Stop the carnage: doctors call for an end to Syria hospital airstrikes

As Idlib province comes under renewed attack, Nobel laureates and surgeons issue a plea to save their colleagues and patients

Dozens of prominent doctors have called for urgent action to halt the bombing campaign by Syrian and Russian planes that has targeted more than 20 hospitals in Syria’s north-west, putting many out of action and leaving millions of people without proper healthcare.

Coordinates for many of those hit had been shared with the regime and its Russian backers by the United Nations in an effort to protect civilians. The Syrian opposition were promised war planes would avoid identified sites on bombing raids; instead they have endured more than a month of fierce attacks.

Since late April, in defiance of a truce brokered by Moscow and Ankara last year, regular airstrikes on opposition-held territory in northern Idlib province have killed hundreds of civilians and displaced hundreds of thousands more, rights groups say.

[Aexodus]

Syria and Russia attacking medical infrastructure is also bad.

[ioannis76]

POVG, At 29:45 you can see the vehicle burning, and the Russian journalists says so, anyway.
Tureuki, I congratulate you on your honesty, but that's not the kind of thing you retaliate on, even if they did as you say. Not if the country that does that is itnerested in being called a civilised country, anyway.
Russia's not allowing the helicopters to collect the turkish casualties in the airstrike was also a terrible thing to do.

[PointOfViewGun]

POVG, At 29:45 you can see the vehicle burning, and the Russian journalists says so, anyway.

That's it? That's your source? Seriously? A structurally intact ambulance showing only signs of fire claimed to be attacked by an air strike? Wow. I wasn't expecting such a weak argument. Bravo.

[Aexodus]

Here are a variety of sources on Turkish-coalition forces bombing hospitals, ambulances and kidnapping medical staff.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...lance-in-syria
https://www.thecanary.co/feature/201...ern-syria/amp/
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/arti...turkish-attack

[PointOfViewGun]

Here are a variety of sources on Turkish-coalition forces bombing hospitals, ambulances and kidnapping medical staff.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...lance-in-syria
https://www.thecanary.co/feature/201...ern-syria/amp/
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/arti...turkish-attack

I guess you agree with the dubiousness of ioannis76's material that you felt the need to look for other examples. The one you could come up with are not much less dubious as well. The first link tries to pass an ambulance receiving sharapnel fire, not direct fire, as if the ambulance was directly targeted. The second tries to pass fire on a random seemingly unmarked dirty SUV as a direct attack on an ambulance. Third one is strictly from YPG sources with no efforts to provide any substance. The least you could do is to acknowledge how dubious ioannis76's source was.

[ioannis76]

Here are a variety of sources on Turkish-coalition forces bombing hospitals, ambulances and kidnapping medical staff.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...lance-in-syria
https://www.thecanary.co/feature/201...ern-syria/amp/
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/arti...turkish-attack

And also the hospital in Afrin, I might add. But Turkey, of course denies it all.
Furthermore, the fate of Christians in NE Syria:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79IxYKmAc3o

[Aexodus]

I guess you agree with the dubiousness of ioannis76's material that you felt the need to look for other examples. The one you could come up with are not much less dubious as well. The first link tries to pass an ambulance receiving sharapnel fire, not direct fire, as if the ambulance was directly targeted. The second tries to pass fire on a random seemingly unmarked dirty SUV as a direct attack on an ambulance. Third one is strictly from YPG sources with no efforts to provide any substance. The least you could do is to acknowledge how dubious ioannis76's source was.

Don’t assume my motivations please.

[Vardano]

A Turkish ex-counter terrorism official lays out a laundry list of Erdogan’s partnership with Isis and makes a strong case for international prosecution.

https://investigativejournal.org/try...zu6xNLdaLbQBQU

Is ISIS has anything to do with current refugee crisis in the region?

[Heathen Hammer]

A lot of Turkish proxies in Syria are just former ISIS units that changed flags. Which makes it a strong possibility that a lot of "refugees" could be affiliated with ISIS, especially since that was the case with the previous invasion waves from 2015.

[ioannis76]

Turkey-backed thugs cutting off water supply in Hasakah:
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2020/...ater-pipelines

[Vanoi]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/syrian-ai...155004116.html

OPCW for the first time through its new investigative unit has found through their investigation that the Syrian government was responsible for a chemica weapon attack in Hama of 2017.

So much for that red line.

[Heathen Hammer]

They can also claim that Assad was responsible for Coronavirus and disappearance of Carol Baskin's husband. Political "investigation" is political.

[Vanoi]

They can also claim that Assad was responsible for Coronavirus and disappearance of Carol Baskin's husband. Political "investigation" is political.

So you're claiming the OPCW is biased? Any evidence for that?

[Heathen Hammer]

No evidence that Assad had any motivation to commit such an attack to begin with, aside from the low-iq "muh ebil dictator killing his own people just cause" narrative from Western propaganda.
No actual evidence tying Syrian government to this has been presented.
Jihadist groups, on the other hand, did have to gain from attack. And regimes that back them have access to such weapons.
Its just a Western-centered agency saying things that correspond to interests of its host, nothing more.

[Vanoi]

No evidence that Assad had any motivation to commit such an attack to begin with, aside from the low-iq "muh ebil dictator killing his own people just cause" narrative from Western propaganda.
No actual evidence tying Syrian government to this has been presented.
Jihadist groups, on the other hand, did have to gain from attack. And regimes that back them have access to such weapons.
Its just a Western-centered agency saying things that correspond to interests of its host, nothing more.

Except the OPCW did present evidence. They sent a team into Syria to investigate.

https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/ne...ification-team

Thats their more detailed report. The idea they have no evidence is a blatant lie.

You have no evidence that the rebels conducted any attacks. The countries that supported the rebels that also possess chemical weapons are irrelevant unless you have proof they supplied the rebels with those weapons.

Still waiting on the proof for the OPCW being biased.