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    https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...t-village-west

    Russian forces have bombarded the SNA in Manbij province. Looks like the Russians do support the current SAA advance.

    Meanwhile the TRNC have themselves condemned the Turkish invasion in Syria.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-cyp...155220479.html

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    Turkey intentionally releasing ISIS militants and blaming it on Kurds while the entire western media explicitly blames Turkey for every incident, makes perfect sense. US officials have great and unmatched wisdom indeed.

    I throughly explained the Russian stance. They employ limited opportunism, the way you people jump into every little bit of info with tHiS iS tHe eNd oF TuRkEy enthuiasm is amusing. I was very amused during the Afrin operation.

    The only mystery for know is the Kobani. But i expect Turkey to insist on Kobani, after a few negotiations i think Russians will stay away from the north of Ayn Isa, after that, it doesn't matter if SAA advances or not. I expect the end result will be m4 highway being the southern border, Ras al Ain the eastern border, Qamishli and Al-Hasakah most likely won't be touched, perhaps the eastern border will expand till ad-Darbasiyah. SAA will expand its influence through the Raqqa area till Ayn Issa. Win-win for both sides.

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    Looks like about 25% of the buffer zone will be accomplished by tomorrow. These are the areas with mostly Arab majority villages. Once the ground is cleared from any explosives it will be suitable to house a few hundred thousand refugees currently residing in Turkey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Turkey intentionally releasing ISIS militants and blaming it on Kurds while the entire western media explicitly blames Turkey for every incident, makes perfect sense. US officials have great and unmatched wisdom indeed.
    Deny deny deny right?

    I throughly explained the Russian stance. They employ limited opportunism, the way you people jump into every little bit of info with tHiS iS tHe eNd oF TuRkEy enthuiasm is amusing. I was very amused during the Afrin operation.
    And i addressed it. Securing YPG territory has far more gains than a pivot toward Turkey and allowing an even larger rebel presence in Syria.


    We can just wait and see who's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...ays-tsoturkish

    https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...-intentionally

    US officals say Turkey intentionally shelled prisons. They also say Turkey is intentionally releasing ISIS prisoners and blaming it on the Kurds.

    Meanwhile EU-Turkish relations are basically destroyed at this point. Its obvious at this point this invasion has cost Turkey its relationship to the EU and NATO.

    SAA are actively moving into Northern Syria including the border itself. Turkey has been out-played here by its own ambitions.

    https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...operation-with
    https://news.yahoo.com/kurds-may-rel...005249265.html

    Well the american president claims that Kurds release ISIS intentionally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    https://news.yahoo.com/kurds-may-rel...005249265.html

    Well the american president claims that Kurds release ISIS intentionally
    He said may have. Your source is from yesterday. Mine claiming the Turks comes from today.

    Wouldn't believe what Trump says anyway. He's trying his hardest to deflect criticism about the withdraw.

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    So, which prison are we talking about here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Turkey intentionally releasing ISIS militants and blaming it on Kurds while the entire western media explicitly blames Turkey for every incident, makes perfect sense. US officials have great and unmatched wisdom indeed.

    I throughly explained the Russian stance. They employ limited opportunism, the way you people jump into every little bit of info with tHiS iS tHe eNd oF TuRkEy enthuiasm is amusing. I was very amused during the Afrin operation.

    The only mystery for know is the Kobani. But i expect Turkey to insist on Kobani, after a few negotiations i think Russians will stay away from the north of Ayn Isa, after that, it doesn't matter if SAA advances or not. I expect the end result will be m4 highway being the southern border, Ras al Ain the eastern border, Qamishli and Al-Hasakah most likely won't be touched, perhaps the eastern border will expand till ad-Darbasiyah. SAA will expand its influence through the Raqqa area till Ayn Issa. Win-win for both sides.
    Ras al ain won't be touched?
    And why will there be an insistence on Kobani? What is the point of capturing Kobani and destroying a city that just rebuilt itself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    Numerous EU countries have stopped export of weapons to Turkey. They should really do the same to Saudi Arabia and UAE.
    Eh, Saudi doesn't have a real military despite massive spending and advanced weapons. They cannot be a threat.

    How exactly would this ban of export hurt Turkey? It's laughable to ban something they do not sell. Anyway given their history dealing with Israel no real action will be done until Kurds are gone
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    I don't think bombing Kurds will ever be unpopular in Turkey.
    Turkish Lira already dropped to its lowest point since May today and that was before the 50% steel tariffs were implemented. The purchasing power of the poor is very much all the poor care about. They can’t eat dead Kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AqD View Post
    Eh, Saudi doesn't have a real military despite massive spending and advanced weapons. They cannot be a threat.

    How exactly would this ban of export hurt Turkey? It's laughable to ban something they do not sell. Anyway given their history dealing with Israel no real action will be done until Kurds are gone
    I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm saying EU countries should stop exporting weapons to Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    Ras al ain won't be touched?
    And why will there be an insistence on Kobani? What is the point of capturing Kobani and destroying a city that just rebuilt itself?
    No, Qamishli and al-Hasakah won't be touched. Kobani should be taken because at the end that buffer zone should have a land connection with Jarablus area. Pluse there is a big difference between between having 3 hostile sides and 2 hostile sides, at least we won't be concerned of the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm saying EU countries should stop exporting weapons to Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
    They could sell that as principled stand to please constituents, but it wouldn't really effect Turkey or Saudi Arabia much, who would just buy from other sources. Turkey has a pretty developed arms industry themselves and doesn't really buy much of significance from EU countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    ABC News ‘slaughter in Syria’ footage appears to come from a Kentucky gun range


    Its next to impossible for a video like this to be used by mistake.
    Actually it's very possible, and indeed always has been so.

    ABC like all media is a business. They're out to make a profit. To do that they need views and clicks. And to get more views and clicks they need to be first out the door with the latest video/story/photo/whatever.

    So say that you're the guy at ABC who gets handed a video alleging to show something big and important. You could take the time to verify it, like you know you should, and risk a competitor showing it first and getting all of those views and clicks. Or you could rush to show it and trust that your sources are on the up and up.

    Should ABC have known better? Certainly. Is this embarrassing for them? Definitely. Is it all some grand conspiracy working towards some nefarious end? Probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    Numerous EU countries have stopped export of weapons to Turkey. They should really do the same to Saudi Arabia and UAE.
    Yeah and then they will sell their Weapons to whom? Greece?

    It´s only because they took so many wannabe Kurdish Victims (Terrorists) back in the 80-90s and gave them political asylum which became now some of their voters with European citizenship - 1-5% matters in European Elections. Most of even was not threated in Turkey or somewhere else, they just want to get into Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Under Assad. That question is already settled thanks to Russian help to Syrian government. Turkey needs to and will one way or another reconcile with Assad. While Idlib ventured into chaos Afrin and newly transformed SNA (FSA) have come along a lot. Hence, your characterization of them as all extremists is rather inaccurate.
    Even if this is Turkey's position, this is not the position of the factions it supports. Your SNA factions keep pledging to overthrow Assad as soon as the Kurds are dealt with.
    The SNA doesn't control anything of value. The biggest city under FSA control, Idlib, is also barely of any significance, with a pre-war population of a measly 165k and that's held by HTS, Turkey's Al-Qaeda buddies. The SNA just controls a few towns, none even coming close to 100k population pre-war. Hence even IF the SNA are not jihadists, which they are, the most important areas under rebel control are occupied by HTS, who are undeniably jihadists, and under the protection of Turkey.
    Ironic that Turkey invades YPG territory because it claims that they have ties to a terror group, but protect the Al-Qaeda affiliate, who Turkey itself designates as a terror group.

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    Remember the "civilian" convoy Turkey hit? New video and beforehand picture are out.



    There are other videos showing the same site and fighters on AFN News website, which is affiliated with PKK, but the videos don't load for some reason. Video directory, page 11.



    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    Actually it's very possible, and indeed always has been so.
    ABC like all media is a business. They're out to make a profit. To do that they need views and clicks. And to get more views and clicks they need to be first out the door with the latest video/story/photo/whatever.
    So say that you're the guy at ABC who gets handed a video alleging to show something big and important. You could take the time to verify it, like you know you should, and risk a competitor showing it first and getting all of those views and clicks. Or you could rush to show it and trust that your sources are on the up and up.
    Should ABC have known better? Certainly. Is this embarrassing for them? Definitely. Is it all some grand conspiracy working towards some nefarious end? Probably not.
    Probably, yes. Given how media in general is taking a blind propagandist stance its not really out of the line to think that they just don't care. This wasn't a case of someone tweeting something and the new agencies using it. This was someone taking a video, cropping it so that the crowds of people in USA watching the show is not visible, and try to pass it as real footage.

    Tell me this though. Is it nefarious to keep on reporting the idea that YPG is PKK as a purely Turkish claim when USA's own diplomats and national intelligence agency states that is the case as well?


    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Even if this is Turkey's position, this is not the position of the factions it supports. Your SNA factions keep pledging to overthrow Assad as soon as the Kurds are dealt with.
    The SNA doesn't control anything of value. The biggest city under FSA control, Idlib, is also barely of any significance, with a pre-war population of a measly 165k and that's held by HTS, Turkey's Al-Qaeda buddies. The SNA just controls a few towns, none even coming close to 100k population pre-war. Hence even IF the SNA are not jihadists, which they are, the most important areas under rebel control are occupied by HTS, who are undeniably jihadists, and under the protection of Turkey.
    Ironic that Turkey invades YPG territory because it claims that they have ties to a terror group, but protect the Al-Qaeda affiliate, who Turkey itself designates as a terror group.
    Good luck with your war scenarios but those groups will likely let things go once a deal is reached. Your argument revolving around HTS is quite self-damning. If you're against that then you should have been against YPG-USA coalition. Apparently, principles are applied selectively. By the way, is HTS the same HTS Turkey declared to be a terrorist organization last year? The same one that Turkey fought against it through other proxies under FSA? The same group that Turkey have been trying to dissolve? Turkey's past cooperation with such groups, just like any other country did, is regrettable. If you want sanctions because of them, be my guest. Yet, none of that takes away from the issue at hand.
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    https://syria.chathamhouse.org/resea...s-relationship

    Turkey's relationship with HTS streches far. Declaring it a terror organiztion last year hasn't stopped Turkey from working with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    Yeah and then they will sell their Weapons to whom? Greece?

    It´s only because they took so many wannabe Kurdish Victims (Terrorists) back in the 80-90s and gave them political asylum which became now some of their voters with European citizenship - 1-5% matters in European Elections. Most of even was not threated in Turkey or somewhere else, they just want to get into Europe.
    You're assuming Europe has to sell weapons to anyone outside of Europe. It doesn't. Greed is what drives arms sales, not necessity.

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    As part of their counteroffensive against the Turkish Forces and their loyal factions, SDF regain control of the entire city of Ras al-Ayn and Tal Half town

    http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=144025

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