ISIL War in Iraq and Syria II

[Chivalry]

Its a split group and still not the PKK since it was you who said the bombers likley receieved training in Syria under Mazloum's command.



So still no known terror acts committed by Mazloum?

Do you honestly say that leader of an armed organisation is not responsible of the acts of its members?

Please answer, would you say that Baghdadi would be innocent if he had not kill anyone by himself, but let the militants do the work for him?

[PointOfViewGun]

Looks like Baghdadi downfall was made possible through a number of high-level ISIL members capture:

Exclusive: Baghdadi's aide was key to his capture - Iraqi intelligence sources

Another turning point came earlier this year during a joint operation in which U.S., Turkish and Iraqi intelligence agents captured senior Islamic State leaders, including four Iraqis and one Syrian, the Iraqi security officials said.

“They gave us all the locations where they were meeting with Baghdadi inside Syria and we decided to coordinate with the CIA to deploy more sources inside these areas,” said one of the Iraqi officials, who has close ties to multiple security agencies.

[Bethrezen]

The US betrays another ally as it withdraws. Baghdadi was a nice tool.

[Exarch]

How convenient, that the Americans managed to find Baghdadi and wax him and even give him a bin laden burial at sea, just when the Russians were putting international pressure on americans occupying and stealing syrian oil.

EDIT: Also, but not necessarily off topic but american propaganda in the new modern warfare CoD game has them pinning all the atrocities of the CIA, on the Russians:
https://www.rt.com/news/460725-moder...ts-propaganda/

https://twitter.com/TheChowderhead/s...e-on-russia%2F

[Ludicus]

'He died like a dog': Trump announces killing

Trump compliments al-Baghdadi and insults himself. The dog is a noble animal.
In homage to Dogs,

The U.S. military trained anti-tank dogs in 1943 for use against fortifications. Military working dogs (MWDs) are a major asset in war operations. Causes of Death in Military Working Dogs During Operation Iraqi
How War Dogs in Iraq Rekindled a Lost Military Tradition

As one commanding officer bluntly told Dowling, they were going to be the “guinea pigs.” (Read about Caesar, one of the first war dogs in the Pacific.)

Military Dogs Are Becoming an Increasingly Precious Weapon

One dog for every three soldiers currently in Afghanistan.

A canine's farewell: Soldiers pay tribute to faithful working dog - Herald ..




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The Dog Is a More Noble Animal Than Man

Never has it been seen that a dog strapped on himself a suicide vest screaming “bark-bark akbhar” to blow other dogs .

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"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.” – Will Rogers

[Papay]

Keep in mind that Baghdadi would be a peaceful farmer or a civil servant if Americans hadnt invaded Iraq

[caratacus]

'He died like a dog': Trump announces killing

Trump compliments al-Baghdadi and insults himself. The dog is a noble animal. In homage to Dogs,

If he ran underground screeching, it's more likey that Trump was refering to a prairie dog don't you think? If there is one thing those critters don't like, it's an American bald eagle bearing down upon them.


Amazing the guy holed up less than 3 miles from the Turkish border, which must be the most monitored area in Syria, and nobdy knew he was there until recently. That is until a brave Kurd (probably a woman) paid the ultimate sacrifice and managed to steal his dirty smelly underpants. This world gets stranger and stranger I do declare. A wonder that none of those oil tanker drivers that had been crossing the border many months previously, didn't notice anything strange going on.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: IS leader's underwear 'stolen' for DNA test
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50218637
The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) have said their spy stole Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's underwear which was then DNA tested and used to prove his identity before he was killed.

[ioannis76]

Amazing the guy holed up less than 3 miles from the Turkish border, which must be the most monitored area in Syria, and nobdy knew he was there until recently.

Yep. Strange that Turkey didn't know that one of the most wanted islamic terrorists (if not THE most wanted) was hiding, not only 3 miles from the Turkish border, but also in an area controlled by Turkey.
If one didn't know better, one might assume that Turkey cooperates with ISIS.

[Tureuki]

And it's not equally strange at all that a guy who couldn't be found for 5 years despite being targeted by every single political and military entity in the region, miraculously gets found by US right after it's declaration to withdraw from Syria. Shows no resemblance to Bin Laden case.

Turkey has no direct control over any part of Syria, just scattered bases, contact with some factions and monitoring of military movements via drones, no police work. If it was that easy to have utmost control over every movement, we would have prevent the sneak attacks in Afrin and bombings in Azez-Jarabulus area before anything else.

[Tureuki]

Yes it was worth it, i'm glad that we finally got rid of the leash put on us by the US.

[ioannis76]

Yes it was worth it, i'm glad that we finally got rid of the leash put on us by the US.

Oh the leash is still there. Turkey would be left without an airforce (to say the least) if the US wanted it. Who would supply spare parts for all those F16s?

[PointOfViewGun]

Yep. Strange that Turkey didn't know that one of the most wanted islamic terrorists (if not THE most wanted) was hiding, not only 3 miles from the Turkish border, but also in an area controlled by Turkey.
If one didn't know better, one might assume that Turkey cooperates with ISIS.

Interesting logic. Baghdadi was caught in territory related to Turkish backed forces, in a border town where he was said to have arrived about 48 hours before the operation. That means Turkey is possibly complicit. But to get there he had to pass through YPG or Syrian government controlled territory. Somehow we don't assume that those parties had any responsibility. Interesting logic indeed.

[dogukan]

Yes it was worth it, i'm glad that we finally got rid of the leash put on us by the US.

And what benefit do we get from that?

[ioannis76]

But to get there he had to pass through YPG or Syrian government controlled territory.

Did he?

[PointOfViewGun]

Did he?

At some point, yes. Back in 2018, he was suspected to be in Hajin. As late as early this year he was thought to be going back and forth between Iraq and Syria, passing through the border. At some point, he started travelling west towards Idlib. To reach near the Turkish border he had to travel a lot through either YPG or Syrian government controlled territory or both. Why don't you apply your logic there?

[Papay]

Obama statement in February 2011. "We abandon Afghanistan". Two months later Bin Laden is killed
Syria Octomber 2019. Turkish invasion forces US forces to abandon Kurds. Two weeks later Baghdadi is killed

Very Very covenient. Welcome to 1984 and the permanent enemy Emannuel Goldstein who might or might not exist but it gives us excuses to do permanent wars

[ioannis76]

At some point, yes. Back in 2018, he was suspected to be in Hajin. As late as early this year he was thought to be going back and forth between Iraq and Syria, passing through the border. At some point, he started travelling west towards Idlib. To reach near the Turkish border he had to travel a lot through either YPG or Syrian government controlled territory or both. Why don't you apply your logic there?

All of Northern Syria is accesible via Turkey (this is regarding Idlib). He could easily have traveled through that country. Many ISIS fighters did so.
As for Hajin, at that point, if I remember correctly, the area west of it was under ISIS control. IF he was ever in Hajin, of course, because you say that he was SUSPECTED to be there, not that he was there. The view about "going back and forth between Iraq and Syria" is an assumption. However, his being in the turkish controlled area is not, it's a FACT.

The love affair between Turkey and ISIS is a given fact, as well. Even with tits current offensive, Turkey helped them:

Turkish-Backed Forces Are Freeing Islamic State Prisoners

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/14...isoners-syria/

Besides, there's even a video of ISIS thugs chatting in a friendly manner with turkish troops, from a few years back:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...at-guards.html

[PointOfViewGun]

All of Northern Syria is accesible via Turkey (this is regarding Idlib). He could easily have traveled through that country. Many ISIS fighters did so.
As for Hajin, at that point, if I remember correctly, the area west of it was under ISIS control. IF he was ever in Hajin, of course, because you say that he was SUSPECTED to be there, not that he was there. The view about "going back and forth between Iraq and Syria" is an assumption. However, his being in the turkish controlled area is not, it's a FACT.
The love affair between Turkey and ISIS is a given fact, as well. Even with tits current offensive, Turkey helped them:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/14...isoners-syria/
Besides, there's even a video of ISIS thugs chatting in a friendly manner with turkish troops, from a few years back:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...at-guards.html

You really can't change geography to say something anti-Turkish. The logical fallacies you use in your post to admit an embarrassing assumption doesn't accomplish anything. For him to go through Turkey he'd still have to pass through YPG held territory. Baghdadi might be the spawn of devil but he does not have the power to teleport. The "assumptions" that Baghdadi was in Hajin or travelling between Iraq and Syria were made by Iraqi intelligence officers. Your mention of YPG's claims on Turkey that they were freeing ISIL prisoners, while ignoring actual evidence of YPG freeing ISIL prisoners, or linking to an article from 2014 on border interaction between Turkish soldiers and ISIL fighters is a testament to the weakness of your actual position.

[ioannis76]

You really can't change geography to say something anti-Turkish. The logical fallacies you use in your post to admit an embarrassing assumption doesn't accomplish anything. For him to go through Turkey he'd still have to pass through YPG held territory. Baghdadi might be the spawn of devil but he does not have the power to teleport. The "assumptions" that Baghdadi was in Hajin or travelling between Iraq and Syria were made by Iraqi intelligence officers. Your mention of YPG's claims on Turkey that they were freeing ISIL prisoners, while ignoring actual evidence of YPG freeing ISIL prisoners, or linking to an article from 2014 on border interaction between Turkish soldiers and ISIL fighters is a testament to the weakness of your actual position.

Yeah, I guess that just because Turkish troops and ISIL thugs were on best of terms in 2014 doesn't mean that Turkey and ISIL were in bed with each other in 2019. It may have been just a "phase" for Turkey to be enamoured with jihadists in 2014, and then she discovered that they were really bad guys, not suitable for her.
And of course it's completely impossible that Al Baghdadi when to Turkey from Iraq, and not via YPG held territories.
As for Turkey releasing ISIS prisoners being a YPG claim...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-isis-fighters

And even more to the point:

ISIS militants escape Syrian prison after bombing by Turkish forces

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...rison-20565918

What do you know? Putin joined the YPG. It's the turkish invasion of Syria that could (and did) release ISIS thugs. But hey, it's the turkish INVASION and turkish BOMBINGS that released the thugs, not TURKEY. What does Turkey have to do with the turkish invasion. Right?
After all, there is no way to link the turkish invasion with the escapes of ISIS prisoners. They just happened to occur at the same time.

[PointOfViewGun]

Yeah, I guess that just because Turkish troops and ISIL thugs were on best of terms in 2014 doesn't mean that Turkey and ISIL were in bed with each other in 2019. It may have been just a "phase" for Turkey to be enamoured with jihadists in 2014, and then she discovered that they were really bad guys, not suitable for her.
And of course it's completely impossible that Al Baghdadi when to Turkey from Iraq, and not via YPG held territories.
As for Turkey releasing ISIS prisoners being a YPG claim...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-isis-fighters
And even more to the point:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...rison-20565918
What do you know? Putin joined the YPG. It's the turkish invasion of Syria that could (and did) release ISIS thugs. But hey, it's the turkish INVASION and turkish BOMBINGS that released the thugs, not TURKEY. What does Turkey have to do with the turkish invasion. Right?
After all, there is no way to link the turkish invasion with the escapes of ISIS prisoners. They just happened to occur at the same time.

You know very well that there is little to no logic in what you're arguing here. You made an extremely stupid argument and you're struggling to stand by it. There is no way Baghdadi could have crossed to Idlib through Turkey without crossing through either YPG or Syrian government held territory. You're defying basic geography there... Almost everyone in the world supported ISIL fighters one way or an other directly or indirectly at one point in their opposition to Assad. Turkey is no different. Since then Turkey directly fought against ISIL and seemingly contributed to Baghdadi's capture through the arrests it conducted. By your argument none of those happened... There is quite a difference between saying that Turkey freed ISIL prisoners and saying that Turkey's operation contributed to their breakout. It was YPG that was threatening the West with releasing the prisoners for months before the operation started. You're merely playing into their hands. With such argumentation that's devoid of any intelligent thought you're doing them a favor.