ISIL War in Iraq and Syria II

[Abdülmecid I]

The attacks were a response to aggression by the Syrian government and her allies. The only exception is probably the Resafa episode, when both the Syrian army and the YPG rushed for the road intersection there, which was necessary for the break of the siege of Deir ez-Zhor. By the way, the 200 dead Russians was fake news, based on doctor footage and propaganda. It started from Russian nationalists opposing the Kremlin, until some English-speaking mainstream media uncritically believed the story. In reality, the number of killed Wagner mercenaries were around a dozen and were targeted accidentally, as they were not part of the actual attacking force (mainly tribal, Iraqi and Afghani militia).

[Papay]

The attacks were a response to aggression by the Syrian government and her allies. The only exception is probably the Resafa episode, when both the Syrian army and the YPG rushed for the road intersection there, which was necessary for the break of the siege of Deir ez-Zhor. By the way, the 200 dead Russians was fake news, based on doctor footage and propaganda. It started from Russian nationalists opposing the Kremlin, until some English-speaking mainstream media uncritically believed the story. In reality, the number of killed Wagner mercenaries were around a dozen and were targeted accidentally, as they were not part of the actual attacking force (mainly tribal, Iraqi and Afghani militia).

I have my doubts about whether we can learn with certainty what happened. Neither Russia or US have admitted officially what happened there and they tried to downgrade the incident. That does not alter the fact that countless times US planes have bombed positions of the Syrian army and its allies in the area. You think that Putin would tolerate the Turkish invasion if US had shown signs of cooperation with Assad? I doubt it. Its clear that the hidden agenda here is to create a "buffer state" that would prevent Iraq and Syria from connecting each other. ISIS is just an excuse

[mongrel]

Mongrel is outraged that ISIS prisoners are escaping because that wit of a POTUS gave Erdoğan a hall pass.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9153816.html

[Principe Alessandro]

It's all over, they have just announced a complete withdrawal of the US troops, probably Kurds are going to completely surrender to the regime, after this the US Is going to be completely kicked out of the Middle East.



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[PointOfViewGun]

Turkey's two entry points in this operation is not coincidental. They're Ras al-Ayn and Tel Abyad, two formerly Arab majority towns. The towns were ethnically cleansed by YPG back in 2015 to create a Kurdish corridor along the Turkish border. People from those expulsion campaigns are the people Turkey is hoping to replace back.

Syrian rebels accuse Kurdish forces of 'ethnic cleansing' of Sunni Arabs

The allegation, which the Kurdish YPG denies, came as its fighters took back the key border post of Tal Abyad from Islamic State
Kurdish forces fighting Islamic State jihadists in north-east Syria have been accused of “ethnic cleansing” of Sunni Arabs by a coalition of other rebel groups.
The Syrian Kurdish force, the YPG, have moved in on Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant positions north of their de facto capital Raqqa, capturing the key border post of Tal Abyad on Monday.

WE HAD NOWHERE ELSE TO GO: FORCED DISPLACEMENT AND DEMOLITIONS IN NORTHERN SYRIA

A fact-finding mission to northern Syria has uncovered a wave of forced displacement and home demolitions amounting to war crimes carried out by the Autonomous Administration led by the Syrian Kurdish political party Partiya Yekîtiya Demokrat (PYD) controlling the area, said Amnesty International in a report published today. The Autonomous Administration is a key ally, on the ground, of the US-led coalition fighting against the armed group calling itself the Islamic State (IS) in Syria.

Have the Syrian Kurds Committed War Crimes?

The Kurdish militia that supplies the ground troops in the US air war against the Islamic State has been a systematic violator of human rights in the area it controls in northern Syria, causing the displacement of tens of thousands of Arabs and even more massive flight by Kurds from the region.

A six-month investigation shows that the militia, reportedly under the strong influence of Iran and the Assad regime, has evicted Arabs from their homes at gunpoint starting in 2013 and subsequently has blown up, torched, or bulldozed their homes and villages. The Nation interviewed more than 80 Arabs and Syrian Kurdish refugees in the region as well as militia officials, former militia members, former Syrian government officials, political activists, and officials in Iraqi Kurdistan.

The pace of the expulsions picked up dramatically after the United States began joint operations against the Islamic State in Syria in mid-2015, as the Kurdish militia threatened Arabs with air strikes if they didn’t leave their villages. While they slowed in 2016, expulsions continue even as the militia turns on its political rivals and jails, tortures, or expels them.

At least 300,000 Syrian Kurds have also fled the region to neighboring Iraqi Kurdistan, according to officials there, and no fewer than 200,000 have fled to Turkey rather than submit to forced conscription and political suppression by a group that insists on ruling as a one-party state, according to Kurdish human-rights monitors in Turkey. Officials in Iraqi Kurdistan say that if the Syrian Kurdish militia opened the borders, at least half the Kurdish population under its control would flee.

Mongrel is outraged that ISIS prisoners are escaping because that wit of a POTUS gave Erdoğan a hall pass.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9153816.html

This is not about Trump giving the green light for Turkey to go in, but about YPG blackmailing the West while the US troops being shortsighted. The information so far is purely based on YPG, so beware the propaganda aspect of it, but Turkey's operation does not enable such news. In fact, the retreating US troops could easily secure these prisons instead.

[Vanoi]

Well not all of the Middle East. Iraq still has troops along with Saudi Arabia and bases in Gulf nations.

This withdraw along with Trump claiming that he simply wants the US out of the endless wars in the Middle East while sending thousands of troops to the Saudis is going to come back and bite him.

[Principe Alessandro]

Well not all of the Middle East. Iraq still has troops along with Saudi Arabia and bases in Gulf nations.

This withdraw along with Trump claiming that he simply wants the US out of the endless wars in the Middle East while sending thousands of troops to the Saudis is going to come back and bite him.

Do you really think that allies left there are going to trust the US after this complete betrayal? It's not that your troops are going to be forced to pack their things tomorrow but gradually the american influence there is going to be near to non existent.

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[Vanoi]

Do you really think that allies left there are going to trust the US after this complete betrayal? It's not that your troops are going to be forced to pack their things tomorrow but gradually the american influence there is going to be near to non existent.

Never said they would just pointing out the US is still technically in the Middle East. American influence will never go away considering Anerican support of Israel but it will be diminished.

There's rumors of a deal being made between the Kurds and the Syrians and Russians. US is withdrawing more troops due to the advancement of Turkish proxies and that possoble deal being made.


https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...-deteriorating

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...the-village-of

[Heathen Hammer]

The traitor kurds are refusing to let themselves be killed by NATO Turkish bullets and are threatening to turn to the dark side of the Russians:


Source: https://theweek.com/speedreads/87145...e-let-russians

Seems like a win-win.

[Vanoi]

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...-say-1.7970867

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...hfrance2-syria


Turkish strike targeted a civilian convoy killing several people and likley some foreign journalists.

[dogukan]

And who was placed in place of their old homes?

No one has to be placed. They were simply forcibly removed from many places Kurds lived on. That is ethnic cleansing.
The areas were de-kurdified or if anyone was brought it, it was populated with "loyal" Kurds.
There are also various korucu villages that were brought from other parts of the country. There is even a Kazakh korucu village in Van.

[Nebaki]

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...-say-1.7970867

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...hfrance2-syria


Turkish strike targeted a civilian convoy killing several people and likley some foreign journalists.

Isn´t that funny that some People travel on their own risk in a Region where something like ISIS exists? Then also travelling with other Terrorists groups and then wonder why that get killed or being a Target. It´s not like that those Convoys and People was like unarmed.

How do you see and distinguish someone which is armed but has no Flags or something to recognize themselve? @Vanoi

[dogukan]

Seems like a win-win.

Yeah huge win. Allowing jihadis to settle all over the area and kick out the only chance of the middle-east in a secular democracy that could eradice the religious fanaticism in the region.

You believe Russia will move in? Putin and Erdoğan area lready buddies and Putin is betting a lot on the "new" Turkey.

All these developments are going to impact the future of people affiliated with Islam. Each event impacts people's opinions. If jihadis grow and entrench themselves further, muslims all over the world will be more likely to go a different path.
Turkey and its jihadis are, I dare say, NOT a good influence on the evolution of Islam as of today.

The world is handing jihadism and anti-liberal islamism a victory.

[Vanoi]

Isn´t that funny that some People travel on their own risk in a Region where something like ISIS exists? Then also travelling with other Terrorists groups and then wonder why that get killed or being a Target. It´s not like that those Convoys and People was like unarmed.

How do you see and distinguish someone which is armed but has no Flags or something to recognize themselve? @Vanoi

Does Turkey not have the ability to conduct recon and look at intellgience to determine if that was an enemy convoy? Its not hard to wait to shoot before making sure they aren't civilians.

According to the journalists in the convoy it was a civilian convoy meaning no one was armed.

[Nebaki]

Does Turkey not have the ability to conduct recon and look at intellgience to determine if that was an enemy convoy? Its not hard to wait to shoot before making sure they aren't civilians.

According to the journalists in the convoy it was a civilian convoy meaning no one was armed.

Do you believe anything that so-called Journalists are publishing? I mean all of them are now want to go and see those so called "ISIS-Prisoner-Camps" it´s not like that they have don´t existed even before if they are ever been existed.

[Vanoi]

Do you believe anything that so-called Journalists are publishing? I mean all of them are now want to go and see those so called "ISIS-Prisoner-Camps" it´s not like that they have don´t existed even before if they are ever been existed.

Is there a reason to doubt them? Even the pro-rebel SOHR reported that Turkey hit a convoy of civilians and journalists.

[PointOfViewGun]

No one has to be placed. They were simply forcibly removed from many places Kurds lived on. That is ethnic cleansing.
The areas were de-kurdified or if anyone was brought it, it was populated with "loyal" Kurds.
There are also various korucu villages that were brought from other parts of the country. There is even a Kazakh korucu village in Van.

In that case, why did YPG, in turn, did the exact thing you describe in various parts of northern Syria?

[Heathen Hammer]

Yeah huge win. Allowing jihadis to settle all over the area and kick out the only chance of the middle-east in a secular democracy that could eradice the religious fanaticism in the region.

You believe Russia will move in? Putin and Erdoğan area lready buddies and Putin is betting a lot on the "new" Turkey.

All these developments are going to impact the future of people affiliated with Islam. Each event impacts people's opinions. If jihadis grow and entrench themselves further, muslims all over the world will be more likely to go a different path.
Turkey and its jihadis are, I dare say, NOT a good influence on the evolution of Islam as of today.

The world is handing jihadism and anti-liberal islamism a victory.

Well, Assad's government is the closest thing one can get to secular democracy in Middle East. Makes sense for Kurdish groups to seek an agreement with Syrian government, given how the other side of the conflict wants to either kill or enslave them.
I also do find an idea of internal conflict within NATO rather interesting. Time for dissolution?

[Vanoi]

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...o-the-north-of

SANA is reporting that the Syrian Army is headed north to face off against SNA.

[Gallus]

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/...o-the-north-of

SANA is reporting that the Syrian Army is headed north to face off against SNA.

War never changes.

This was the first time I supported American military presence in a foreign country. Fighting together with YPG was a good cause imo. But somehow they managed to turn it into a disaster.