ISIL War in Iraq and Syria II

[PointOfViewGun]

Right. I made up the statement that you yourself made.
As for hoping villages in East Euphrates, yeah, I guess he teleported from one to the next.

I didn't state that he originated in Iraq within this context. So, yeah, you made it up in an attempt to admit being blatantly false.

[ioannis76]

I didn't state that he originated in Iraq within this context.

Are you suggesting that he "originated" in Kurdish/SAA held areas? Where is your evidence for that?
The most "neutral" stance we can assume is that he departed from somewhere in Iraq. Otherwise, you can ASSUME whatever you like. You can assume that he departed from YPG headquarters if that's your cup of tea.

In the meantime, in the REAL world:

Turkey threatens to send captured ISIS members back to home countries

Turkish Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu accused Europe of refusing to take back citizens who joined the terrorist group, saying it was not “acceptable” to leave Turkey to deal with the prisoners alone.

“That is not acceptable to us. It’s also irresponsible,” he said, according to Reuters.

“We will send the captured Daesh members to their countries,” he added, using another name for ISIS.

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...-send-captured

[PointOfViewGun]

Are you suggesting that he "originated" in Kurdish/SAA held areas? Where is your evidence for that?
The most "neutral" stance we can assume is that he departed from somewhere in Iraq. Otherwise, you can ASSUME whatever you like. You can assume that he departed from YPG headquarters if that's your cup of tea.

Sigh...

Isis leader believed to have fled coup attempt by his own fighters

The Isis leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, survived a coup attempt last month launched by foreign fighters in his eastern Syrian hideout, intelligence officials believe, and the terrorist group has since placed a bounty on the main plotter’s head.

The incident is believed to have taken place on 10 January in a village near Hajin in the Euphrates River valley, where the jihadist group is clinging to its last sliver of land. Regional intelligence officials say a planned move against Baghdadi led to a firefight between foreign fighters and the fugitive terrorist chief’s bodyguards, who spirited him away to the nearby deserts.

[Abdülmecid I]

What's so morally reprehensible about foreign criminals getting extradited to their places of origin? Neither Turkey nor Syria nor Iraq should be obliged to tolerate and feed all those foreign terrorists of Europe, who came to Middle East, in order to terrorise the innocent locals and spread their nefarious and alien beliefs in the region. Meanwhile, the Intercept has published an informative article about the hypocrisy of American journalists, politicians and pundits, regarding their view about the jihadists controlled by Turkey. Many of these groups used to be equipped and financed by the United States, when their unfortunate target was the government of Damascus and not the Kurdish allies of Washington. The largely nominal head of the "National Army" is Salim Idris, who is now (justifiably) treated with contempt, but, in the past, was touted as a soft-mannered commander, who represented the brightest hopes for the country. It's always interesting to note how the media narrative completely reverses, once the former proxies pose a threat to American interests.

[Heathen Hammer]

Neither Turkey nor Syria nor Iraq should be obliged to tolerate and feed all those foreign terrorists of Europe, who came to Middle East, in order to terrorise the innocent locals and spread their nefarious and alien beliefs in the region.

To be fair, Islam is not native to neither territories of Iraq and Syria, nor Europe.

[Papay]

To be fair, Islam is not native to neither territories of Iraq and Syria, nor Europe.

Well neither is christianity

[Heathen Hammer]

Well neither is christianity

It is true as well. Time to make Middle East Pagan again.

[Papay]

It is true as well. Time to make Middle East Pagan again.

And Europe and America

[Heathen Hammer]

And Europe and America

It is already happening with growing number of young people from all over the world preferring religion of their ancestors over cults of some inbred lunatics from the Eastern deserts.

[Vanoi]

It is already happening with growing number of young people from all over the world preferring religion of their ancestors over cults of some inbred lunatics from the Eastern deserts.

So mythology is becoming popular again? Thats no good.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

It is already happening with growing number of young people from all over the world preferring religion of their ancestors over cults of some inbred lunatics from the Eastern deserts.

Although i'm open for paganism and would call myself pagan, its nonsense to talk from religion of our ancestors, because there are no scriptures about the religion of the Celts, West- and Eastgermanics etc....

All this neopaganism is a new interpretation, in some case a new invention.

And sadly in some cases illiterated far right scum is misusing it for their racistic, facistic bs ideology.

[Heathen Hammer]

So mythology is becoming popular again? Thats no good.

Abrahamic cults are also based on mythology. What is your point? That myths that you like are better then those you don't?

Although i'm open for paganism and would call myself pagan, its nonsense to talk from religion of our ancestors, because there are no scriptures about the religion of the Celts, West- and Eastgermanics etc....

All this neopaganism is a new interpretation, in some case a new invention.

And sadly in some cases illiterated far right scum is misusing it for their racistic, facistic bs ideology.

Not going to throw any pearls here or engage with this intellectual dumpster fire of a post, but I did chuckle when you made a typo in the word "illiterate".

[Vanoi]

Abrahamic cults are also based on mythology. What is your point? That myths that you like are better then those you don't?.

Not a Christian or Jew or Muslim so try again. The Middle East needs secularism not more religion. Sectarianism has been bad enough throughout Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.

[Heathen Hammer]

Not a Christian or Jew or Muslim so try again. The Middle East needs secularism not more religion. Sectarianism has been bad enough throughout Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.

Well, the only secular faction in this conflict is Syrian government.

[Bethrezen]

"We're keeping the oil. I've always said that -- keep the oil. We want to keep the oil, $45 million a month. Keep the oil. We've secured the oil."

It was never about the oil but about freedom and democracy. What a lier!!

The next step is conquer the whole world. That would clearly keep ISIS away from all resources.

[dogukan]

Well, the only secular faction in this conflict is Syrian government.

While regime is somewhat secular, it is not THAT secular.
There are still Islamic laws afaik in Syria.
And each sect that make up the regime are quite conservative.
They do not really promote secularism is social life as much, it is still a highly conservative-dominated system.

Not to mention that half of the fighting force that keeps Assad afloat are Shia-fanatics.

You also ignored PYD which is instituionally a ton more secular even by the regime's standards.

[Love Mountain]

I'm pretty sure we all know that by now, Assad is the best and most realistic regime for Syria. Turkey or Russia will literally bomb any other contender.

[PointOfViewGun]

PYD is as secular as AKP was when they were trying to look nice for the West.

[Papay]

While regime is somewhat secular, it is not THAT secular.
There are still Islamic laws afaik in Syria.
And each sect that make up the regime are quite conservative.
They do not really promote secularism is social life as much, it is still a highly conservative-dominated system.

Not to mention that half of the fighting force that keeps Assad afloat are Shia-fanatics.

You also ignored PYD which is instituionally a ton more secular even by the regime's standards.

Stalin was also quite secular

[Love Mountain]

Stalin was also quite secular

As are a number of Western governments around the world. Would you mind refining your point?