Why can't my Byzantine Princess Marry a Turk?

[Matty_P]

Well, why can't my princess marry a Muslim/Turk/Moor/Egyptian?

anyone know how i can fix this?

[militia]

maybe they already have a wife...

[george kings]

I find very hard to marry a girl even between christian factions.
I've read that christian princessess can't marry muslim faction men.
I wonder why there's no muslim princesses.

[kittens]

well thats becuase muslm women are considered somethign like cattle/owned items. your not going to see a 'princess'. they are all going to have their heads covered and congregating around the harem with all the 'other' wives. try sending some womens libbers' to a muslim country and see how long they last lol. *very* subservant.. had some guys come over from overseas for foreign exchange... they got very angry when my friends wife even just walked into a room before them... shes started getting really pissed when they were always ignoreing her when she spoke. lol. they even asked my friend why he couldnt control his wife. needless to say.. that experience didnt work out well, and they went back home early lol. its very different their.

I find very hard to marry a girl even between christian factions.
I've read that christian princessess can't marry muslim faction men.
I wonder why there's no muslim princesses.

[moonlapse]

well thats becuase muslm women are considered somethign like cattle/owned items. your not going to see a 'princess'. they are all going to have their heads covered and congregating around the harem with all the 'other' wives. try sending some womens libbers' to a muslim country and see how long they last lol. *very* subservant.. had some guys come over from overseas for foreign exchange... they got very angry when my friends wife even just walked into a room before them... shes started getting really pissed when they were always ignoreing her when she spoke. lol. they even asked my friend why he couldnt control his wife. needless to say.. that experience didnt work out well, and they went back home early lol. its very different their.

it wasnt always so
till 1300s,otomans used "baci" system,their women were trained and levied to defend the cities while their men were away invading somewhere.

for many generations,sultan's wifes would meet foreign diplomats and rule the people and the council while sultan was away


Mothers had right to choose to send their kids to military or medrese training.

it wasnt as dark as you think back then.

[kittens]

hmm. so its darker now? lol. scary

it wasnt always so
till 1300s,otomans used "baci" system,their women were trained and levied to defend the cities while their men were away invading somewhere.

for many generations,sultan's wifes would meet foreign diplomats and rule the people and the council while sultan was away


Mothers had right to choose to send their kids to military or medrese training.

it wasnt as dark as you think back then.

[SickBoy13]

I find very hard to marry a girl even between christian factions.
I've read that christian princessess can't marry muslim faction men.
I wonder why there's no muslim princesses.

Islamic nations never used the daughters of their kings as leverage. The daughter would just be married of to a noble.

[Jopo]

My christian Prince married a Byz princess. I know not muslim, but i'd figure i'd throw it out there.

[Orestes]

Muslim factions cant participate in Royal Marriages.

[Papal_Knight]

Well, why can't my princess marry a Muslim/Turk/Moor/Egyptian?

anyone know how i can fix this?

built in, in-game protection against soiling her bloodline.

[Sher Khan]

Sounds more like a bug.

Perhaps there's a way to mod around this? I'd love to get an uber Turkish general on my side, or an awesome Catholic Crusader as a new Muslim Jihadi General, lol.

[severdhope]

Muslim factions do not have princesses and cannot participate in foreign marriages.

You can mod this in by giving them princess, in descr_sm_factions under the line

can_have_princess

change no to yes

I think you will also have to give them a princess model on the strat map. It may be pretty complicated, but here is where I would start.

[GracchusTheGreat]

Too bad it's hardcoded, cause I can think of at least one occassion when this occured without protest.

In the first half of the 14th century, as the small principality in Asia Minor ruled by the dynasty of Osman began to cross to Europe and interfere in the internal affairs of the Byzantine Empire, the recently crowned emperor John Cantacuzenus, in order to strengthen his position against his domestic rivals, appealed to emir Orhan for a military alliance. John offered his daughter's hand to the emir, who quite gladly accepted. Of course, as would happen in the world of MTW2, this did not mean that Orhan joined the Byzantine "faction", but it did seal a somewhat lasting alliance.

[Slaxx Hatmen]

Yeah I like how princesses worked in MTW better because it made more sense that the Wife would go to live with the Husband's faction rather than the other way around.

[severdhope]

Yeah I like how princesses worked in MTW better because it made more sense that the Wife would go to live with the Husband's faction rather than the other way around.

That's how marriage alliances work. The 'stealing' of foreign generals is basically asking him to change loyalties with her charm, much like a bribe that costs you the princess, rather than money. Many times if this fails, she will go live with him but still get married.

Too bad it's hardcoded, cause I can think of at least one occassion when this occured without protest.

In the first half of the 14th century, as the small principality in Asia Minor ruled by the dynasty of Osman began to cross to Europe and interfere in the internal affairs of the Byzantine Empire, the recently crowned emperor John Cantacuzenus, in order to strengthen his position against his domestic rivals, appealed to emir Orhan for a military alliance. John offered his daughter's hand to the emir, who quite gladly accepted. Of course, as would happen in the world of MTW2, this did not mean that Orhan joined the Byzantine "faction", but it did seal a somewhat lasting alliance.

It's not hardcoded. It just will take a little work to add in the strat map models. See my above post.

Perhaps until new models are made, clones of the byzantine or catholic princesses could be colored and used?

[Matty_P]

but a new model would have to be created?

it wouldn't just install one of the existing models? and it would have to be colored?

[severdhope]

You would have to tell it what kind of model to use on the strat map. I think that's in descr_characters.txt

You could use another factions princess but I think it would remain their color. This is based on some of the difficulties people have been having with new units, it may not be this hard. I would try experimenting with a cloned model. Also, check descr_strat and see what you have to add to the starting princess characters.

[Slaxx Hatmen]

That's how marriage alliances work. The 'stealing' of foreign generals is basically asking him to change loyalties with her charm, much like a bribe that costs you the princess, rather than money. Many times if this fails, she will go live with him but still get married.

Ah didn't know that! Guess I should wait till I have the game before I start criticizing it.


As for a new model, since the strat models still use the .cas format couldint you just port the female "eastern" citizen model/skin from RTW and put in as a Muslim princess in MTW2?:hmmm:

[Hashashiyyin]

The pure and humble servants of Allah want nothing to do with your whorish women!

Probably Because of the ideological differences between Muslims and Christians. Historically they probably rarely married, and since women are suppose to be humble (along with men), dressing them up and parading them around foreign kings and princes hardly seems humble. I'm sure CA considered this (along with laziness) when dealing with interfaith marriages and Muslim princesses.

[ENSAIS]

I have a more general question about all this:

It seems that ONLY when approached in negotiations by a foreign princess, IF I have my faction leader or heir unmarried, I have option to have her marry the faction leader, or marry my heir. No options to marry anyone else, and the marriage automatically makes us allies.

Conversely, I can have my own princess marry pretty much any unmarried general she can find, using her to reais ethe loyalties of my own generals, to steal rival generals, or to create foreign alliances by marrying heirs/ faction leaders, as well as just using her to conduct diplomacy as a free diplomat.

SO, does anybody know how I can have my unmarried non-direct heirs court foreign hottie princesses? (Right now as english we have a rash of non-fair maidens...)

Thanks.
ENSAIS