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    The good:

    Ridley Scott is not directing
    Dennis Villneuve (Of Arrival, Enemy and Sicario) is.
    Ryan Gosling is probably the best casting choice
    Original music from the first movie (at least in the trailer)

    The bad:

    Blade Runner global drying: deserts, sandstorms and no rain? How on earth can we have Blade Runner without rain?
    Rutger Hauer is not back

    The meh:

    Han Solo-Deckard is back. I guess the money was good enough to lend his face to the sequel of his "...not favourite movie"

    The factoid:

    movies set in the 2040's are crap. Also Wiki's list does not contain 2046, which is the only good one ...
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    I think Ridley Scott is the best living director, in that his films seem to be very stylish, and don't lose their way. I don't like all his films but the original cut of Blade Runner aside I have never had the feeling "what was he thinking that bit/tope/device is amateurish" or "he has no idea what he's doing here", just occasionally "geez I hate this character, why is he even alive? Get Batty in here to pop his fricken head" (Russel Crowe's character in that lamentable film about the vineyard).

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    So the wiki article quotes Scott as stating Deckard was a Nexus Six, is this canon now?


    Very much looking forward to this, I expect a strong sequel to a great film. Sooo glad Cameron's not coming in to stink it up, he managed Aliens OK (by Americanising the plot of the first one practically scene by scene) but he'd annihilate the noir subtlety of the original BR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I think Ridley Scott is the best living director, in that his films seem to be very stylish, and don't lose their way. I don't like all his films but the original cut of Blade Runner aside I have never had the feeling "what was he thinking that bit/tope/device is amateurish" or "he has no idea what he's doing here", just occasionally "geez I hate this character, why is he even alive? Get Batty in here to pop his fricken head" (Russel Crowe's character in that lamentable film about the vineyard).
    I think RS's best moments were in the distant past. Namely Alien, The Duellists and Blade Runner. For me he always was style over substance and inclined to porn: sandal-porn (Gladiator) war porn (Black Hawk down), pseudophilosophical porn (Nostromo).

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    So the wiki article quotes Scott as stating Deckard was a Nexus Six, is this canon now?
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    Yes. Unicorn.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Very much looking forward to this, I expect a strong sequel to a great film. Sooo glad Cameron's not coming in to stink it up, he managed Aliens OK (by Americanising the plot of the first one practically scene by scene) but he'd annihilate the noir subtlety of the original BR.
    Yes, Aliens was dreadful macho crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbarsardar View Post
    I think RS's best moments were in the distant past. Namely Alien, The Duellists and Blade Runner. For me he always was style over substance and inclined to porn: sandal-porn (Gladiator) war porn (Black Hawk down), pseudophilosophical porn (Nostromo).
    Haven't seen the Duellists, will acquire pronto. I agree about style, he is the supreme stylist of this century.

    I enjoyed Prometheus as a well made film that wasn't hobbled by the surrounding lore (looking forward to the next one) and Gladiator despite the intellectual poverty, contempt for history and moral bankruptcy (casting Jacobi as a senator called Gracchus argh) because he was making a history flavoured moral tale that looked beautiful. I know Scott didn't need to crap all over the history like that, and there's plenty of lacunae in roman history he could have inserted the figures into, so its shame he had to butcher Commodus so badly. I guess he wanted the big name Marcus Aurelius in there.

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    Yes. Unicorn.
    kthx, good to know.

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    Yes, Aliens was dreadful macho crap.
    Indeed and I love it. it was to Alien what Terminator was to Blade Runner, an utterly inferior bit of art that was a heap of fun. Have you noticed the extent to which Aliens mirrors Alien? I haven't gone through scene by scene but there's a genuine correlation from the wake-up scenes, to motion trackers to questions of authority and quarantine to the finale: themes, tropes and specific plot elements all get re-used, only its Hollywood this time around. I think its a terrific exercise in film criticism to line the two up.

    I take the point Scott hasn't demolished cinematic categories as comprehensively as BR and A did in their days, but he's a tremendous positive influence and makes stunning looking films. If his boy Villeneuve can pull this off without cheeseburgering it (or worse Jadoroskying it) I will be very happy.

    it occurs to me Kubrick's shadow is all over this. The notion of meaning and identity is central to his film making, and the dull emptiness of his human acting vs the surrounding reality has echoes in the emptiness of BTR's human's lives (vs the dramatic intensity of the replicant's lives: they burn with divine fire and the only time the humans actually feel anything is when they encounter the replicants to my mind).
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    I don't like the colours. It doesn't look noir enough.

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    Im hoping they somehow leave the question about Deckard's origins left open, despite the fact that if you go with the replicant belief you would have to explain how its possible for a machine to age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    I don't like the colours. It doesn't look noir enough.
    You're not seeing the city. You're just seeing where Deckard is hiding out in a two minute teaser. It's got it's noir city.









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    Ryan Gosling is pretty cool.

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    Meh hollywood, is a blank slate of ideias... between this, the new Dune movie, and Transpotting 2 and other countless reboots, or remakes etc.... Cant say im very excited about all this.

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    Hollywood is just cashing out on the nerds. They finally figured out we have money.

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    So I am seeing this on Saturday, very much looking forward to it. I have been avoiding reviews because 1. they are by journalists, a dishonest species mimicking the human form and 2. spoilers.

    I can still feel the exhilaration I felt when I saw the first poster for Blade Runner, I was genuinely WTF? The film itself lived up to the hype, the jarring voice over failed to spoil a really great bit of cinema.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I think Ridley Scott is the best living director, in that his films seem to be very stylish, and don't lose their way. I don't like all his films but the original cut of Blade Runner aside I have never had the feeling "what was he thinking that bit/tope/device is amateurish" or "he has no idea what he's doing here", just occasionally "geez I hate this character, why is he even alive? Get Batty in here to pop his fricken head" (Russel Crowe's character in that lamentable film about the vineyard).

    BR 1 spoiler
    So the wiki article quotes Scott as stating Deckard was a Nexus Six, is this canon now?


    Very much looking forward to this, I expect a strong sequel to a great film. Sooo glad Cameron's not coming in to stink it up, he managed Aliens OK (by Americanising the plot of the first one practically scene by scene) but he'd annihilate the noir subtlety of the original BR.

    Riddley Scott is one of the best directors out there... When he has absolutly nothing to do with the plot and the writting, which includes hiring the writers (Damon Lindelof, the awful hack).

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    Went and watched this today and loved it. I expected a disappointment when i first saw the trailers but i was pleasantly surprised. A great sequel that doesn't spoil the original like Alien Covenant did. Plotwise the movie is great not a masterpiece but i could say that for the first movie as well but goddamn it was the best looking movie i've seen in years. Also pretty dark and with a lot of rain not like the trailers that show the desert a lot. Whoever plans to watch it avoid spoilers for your own good. It's not sixth sense crucial but it's kind of close.
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    Dennis Villneuve is not only brilliant but has a remarkable talent for choosing the right people for aesthetics. But I can't imagine a more difficult task then pleasing the fans of this iconic movie.

    Watch this scene and the power of the music fits it so well. Listen to that pounding beat.


    The latter is flawless. (mild cursing)

    The dialogue is very spare. There is no unrealistic talking of the LEOs in the first clip, but rather they are as serious as a heart attack because they might die in the next minute. The soldiers in the latter scene are so tightly focused, and intimately aware of the dynamic situation unfolding, and act decisively, then get back in the car. Emily Blunt as a innocent (by the standard of the others) is just out of her element by the audacity of shooting around civilians as the FBI would not act in that scenario in such a bold way.

    Benicio del Toro said he tried to talk as little as possible.
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    Kind of a shame that I need to wait until 2049 to watch this.

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    Arrival was so well done in what was largely an impossible to depict science fiction story. So I am hopeful. He directed three extraordinary films back to back, which is unprecedented. 95% of directors wouldn't have had the subtlety to pull off Arrival.

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    Indeed and I love it. it was to Alien what Terminator was to Blade Runner, an utterly inferior bit of art that was a heap of fun. Have you noticed the extent to which Aliens mirrors Alien? I haven't gone through scene by scene but there's a genuine correlation from the wake-up scenes, to motion trackers to questions of authority and quarantine to the finale: themes, tropes and specific plot elements all get re-used, only its Hollywood this time around. I think its a terrific exercise in film criticism to line the two up.
    Also Aliens is an evolution of Alien. In Alien you have one young alien terrorizing the ship. In Aliens you have a highly grown and evolved colony having already destroyed the colony but for one little girl who's somehow manage to figure out how to survive where the marines can't(lack of subtlety where it counts my ass). They tried to make Alien again in Alien3. Not only did they fail in the basic story, but the execs interfered and it crashed even harder.
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    I kind of like alien3. Ive watched it several times and each times ive liked it more. Its no where near as good as alien or aliens but I can appreciate what Fincher was trying to do before the studio came in and turned it into what it is. I think this was the first signal that the age of auturism was coming to a close, its the first time I can think of where a studio really prevented a director from making his own movie. It seems to be a common occurrence now.

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    So I went to see it this film with my bro, as we did in 1982. The cinema botched the sound, bizarre stereo unsyncing, some awful volume spikes, there were walkouts. I couldn't leave. Visually it was spellbinding, the boy Villeneuve is a worthy heir to the supreme stylist Scott.

    references/spoilers
    There's a nod to Fallout, I'm sure of it, in an odd assortment of junk outside the orphanage. There's a reference to Her, and a there were many occasions when my over-expectant imagination felt half remembered references to other films.


    Obviously the film references Blade Runner, I feel it does so respectfully without abasing itself.

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    So glad to see ol' crackface McGrumpy Edward James Olmos again.


    9/10 would see again so I can hear that bit with Mrs Underwood.
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    I thought the acting was phenomenal, on everyone's account, including the lovely Ana de Armas (the hologram waifu of Ryan Gosling). You don't see too many Cuban american actresses in big roles like this, so power to her.

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