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    Default Russian ambassador in Turkey shot to death.

    Whilst making a speach Mr. Karlov, ambassador for three years was shot by Mevlut Mert Altinas, a Turkish riot-police officer

    The days before there were massive anti-russian protests in turkey against its role in Syria. Altinas shouted vengeance for Aleppo as he shot.

    Will this trigger a new diplomatic fallout? Does it prove that Erdogan needs a national enemy like Russia to unify his country in the end? Less things like this happen.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38369962
    Last edited by Linke; December 20, 2016 at 10:14 AM.

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    USA had to do something about Russian aggression, this is CIA's work.

    The assassin is dead btw. Also the ambassador is dead too.


    This is the assassin, speaking Turkish.

    From his accent, i'm thinking he is a Turkmen from Syria.

    http://nos.nl/video/2149213-russisch...geschoten.html
    Last edited by gastovski; December 19, 2016 at 11:11 AM.

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    Default Re: Russian ambassador in Turkey shot, in critical condition.

    And someone shot the shooter,convenient.

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    Default Re: Russian ambassador in Turkey shot, in critical condition.

    Quote Originally Posted by pajomife View Post
    And someone shot the shooter,convenient.
    That's one way to look at it. This New York Times article implies that he died while challenging Turkish special forces with the weapon he used to kill the ambassador. Seems reasonable enough for them to have shot the maniac (who obviously had a death wish, suicide by cop).

    Russian Ambassador to Turkey Fatally Shot in Ankara Terrorist Attack, Russia Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Almogaver View Post
    Shooter was a Turkish policeman. Member of the ambassador's security dispatch.
    No better way to get closer to him, I suppose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    My theory is that it was done by some remaining rogue military that survived that failed coup aftermath. It was somebody who wants Erdogan gone, and wants Russians to do the actual work of removing him. Could be US, could be Israel, hell, could be even Gulf states (although clandestine ops like that are way beyond their capacity, so I doubt its one of them,).
    It's a bit early to be ascribing motives to the shooter, isn't it? Especially with all the potential actors you just listed. This seems more like a jihadi than a foreign-backed operative, considering his seemingly suicidal desire for martyrdom. Or he could have just been a fervent Turkish nationalist. Russia and Turkey aren't exactly best of pals lately considering the lines they've drawn in the sand over Syria.

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    Default Re: Russian ambassador in Turkey shot, in critical condition.

    My theory is that it was done by some remaining rogue military that survived that failed coup aftermath. It was somebody who wants Erdogan gone, and wants Russians to do the actual work of removing him. Could be US, could be Israel, hell, could be even Gulf states (although clandestine ops like that are way beyond their capacity, so I doubt its one of them,).

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    Also the shooter is very fit guy and looks clean shaved to blend. This is a professional work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gastovski View Post
    Also the shooter is very fit guy and looks clean shaved to blend. This is a professional work.
    A terrorist is too stupid to shave and put on a suit?
    "When I die, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like Fidel Castro, not screaming in terror, like his victims."

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    Almost certainly it's from the Salafist-Neocon axis out of butthurt for losing Aleppo and Washington.


    They are going full Samson option: if they don't win, they'll cause a nuclear war and everyone dies.

    Most dangerous people on the planet.

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    This attack was obviously planned ahead of time. I wonder how well known the ambassador's schedule was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    This attack was obviously planned ahead of time. I wonder how well known the ambassador's schedule was?
    He was at a photo exhibit, it was probably known for days if not weeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almogaver View Post
    Shooter was a Turkish policeman. Member of the ambassador's security dispatch.
    Explains why he was shot in the back (saw the full video).
    "When I die, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like Fidel Castro, not screaming in terror, like his victims."

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    This isn't a terrorist attack, it's an politicial assassination. Also the ambassador had virtually no bodyguard whatsoever. I know our intelligence is ed up after "miserably failed coup", but what about Russian intelligence. Clearly this thing planned beautifully and carefully.
    Last edited by gastovski; December 19, 2016 at 11:50 AM.

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    Default Re: Russian ambassador in Turkey shot, in critical condition.

    Quote Originally Posted by gastovski View Post
    This isn't a terrorist attack, it's an politicial assassination. Also the ambassador had virtually no bodyguard whatsoever. I know our intelligence is ed up after "miserably failed coup", but what about Russian intelligence. Clearly this thing planned beautifully and carefully.
    There were a bit too many Allahu Akbars to rule out the terrorist attack.

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    Shooter was a Turkish policeman. Member of the ambassador's security dispatch.
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    Default Re: Russian ambassador in Turkey shot, in critical condition.

    Quote Originally Posted by gastovski View Post
    This isn't a terrorist attack, it's an politicial assassination. Also the ambassador had virtually no bodyguard whatsoever. I know our intelligence is ed up after "miserably failed coup", but what about Russian intelligence. Clearly this thing planned beautifully and carefully.
    Quote Originally Posted by Almogaver View Post
    Shooter was a Turkish policeman. Member of the ambassador's security dispatch.
    You beat me to it. I was wondering about the security detail. However, even if this guy was in the detail he would have been shot by someone else in the detail before he could get so many shots off. Instead, he prances around making declarations.

    There are a lot of things problematic about this.

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    Lots of jumping to conclusions and spin already taking place here. Wonderful.
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    Turkey is completely out of control, even their special police (like this bodyguard) are infiltrated by islamist scum.

    Hopefully nobody else got killed today..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikitn View Post
    Turkey is completely out of control, even their special police (like this bodyguard) are infiltrated by islamist scum.

    Hopefully nobody else got killed today..
    You dont have to be an "Islamist" to be radicalized when Russian bombs destroy Aleppo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    You dont have to be an "Islamist" to be radicalized when Russian bombs destroy Aleppo
    Exactly, you have to be somehow related to a lovely people who have been terrorizing Aleppo for years and whos ass been kicked out of Aleppo by Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    Exactly, you have to be somehow related to a lovely people who have been terrorizing Aleppo for years and whos ass been kicked out of Aleppo by Russians.
    Russian-Syrian-US bombs have killed far more children than ISIS. This is a fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    Russian-Syrian-US bombs have killed far more children than ISIS. This is a fact
    And ISIS is a reason of it. It's a fact too.

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