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    I speak of course of the current trend of white supremacists cum white ethnic nationalists who talk a lot about the importance of race and preserving their cultural heritage and cultural values which i have no objection against.

    However, i'm simply confused how so many White supremacists in the West cite judeo-christian values as inherent in their own race's culture yet adopt the double think of accepting a non white middle eastern jew as their deity, master and lord. If they were true nativists, then surely they would worship the same gods as their ancestors, say Odin and Thor?

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    Because race supremacists imagine their gods as being the same as them: gods are imaginary in case you didn't know, you can imagine them as any color you want: black, blue, purple, mauve, burnt umber
    Black supremacists imagine their god as being black, Asians as Asian, Caucasoids as Caucasoid etc.
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    Because race supremacists imagine their gods as being the same as them: gods are imaginary in case you didn't know, you can imagine them as any color you want: black, blue, purple, mauve, burnt umber
    Black supremacists imagine their god as being black, Asians as Asian, Caucasoids as Caucasoid etc.
    for the sake of this exercise, let us assume that the white supremacist christians in question are college educated-and this is surely evident in the articulation of white supremacists like Richard Spencer and other white supremacist academics- how do these white supremacists who cite judeo-christian values as being inherently western and therefore 'white cultural values' reconcile that with their supposed white superiority/nationalism?
    These academic racists surely know that Jesus was a palestinean and therefore of middle eastern non anglo stock, yet they worship him. Portraying Jesus as being of the same race of the worshippers is obviously blatantly dishonest and indicative of deep racial insecurity (looking at you korean jesus).

    If these white nationalists were true to their own words, they would build temples to Thor and Frigga or Venus and Mars, they would cite dying in battle to be the highest of honours for the chance to go to valhalla much like how muslims consider martyring themselves for the chance to get rid of their accursed virginity and a chance at 72 raisins.

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    Portraying Jesus as being of the same race of the worshippers is obviously blatantly dishonest and indicative of deep racial insecurity (looking at you korean jesus).
    It's not dishonest at all: Gods are metaphysical/supernatural beings, they lack essential physical attributes: physical attributes can be ascribed to them by individuals or cultures. Also we have the tradition of "visions" in European Christianity: these "visions" certainly contain/contained a racial component. On top of that there's the artistic traditions in Europe depicting the Christian deities in a particular series of styles.

    Essentially: Jesus as a Palestinian has nothing to do with European Christianity. European Christianity is something almost completely independent from the historicity of some crazy rabbi guy called Jesus.

    If these white nationalists were true to their own words, they would build temples to Thor and Frigga or Venus and Mars, they would cite dying in battle to be the highest of honours for the chance to go to valhalla much like how muslims consider martyring themselves for the chance to get rid of their accursed virginity and a chance at 72 raisins.
    I would imagine that in the minds of racists: white power only became a tangible thing after the ascendancy of Christianity and only became the masters of the world at that point. Their pagan epoch being jut an embryonic stage in their development towards manifest destiny.
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    If these white nationalists were true to their own words, they would build temples to Thor and Frigga or Venus and Mars, they would cite dying in battle to be the highest of honours for the chance to go to valhalla

    Well it kinda answers all the OP. Like it or not, Crusaders fought the best pagan Nordic warriors from Odinism and Thor, with nordic idea of "The Strong Man is Correct". Victory for Crusader side.
    So the logical conclusion spells itself out.

    Even before that, in battle of river frigidus, Eastern Emperor Theodosius with an army of Christians defeats the pagan revivalist army, soldiers who were Pagan likely being in favour of Mars, God of War. Well, victory for Christians again. Western Emperor Eugenius and his army defeated.

    So that's the problem of living with a "might makes right" mindset. One day it will turn against you, because no one wins forever.
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    Fascism is able to sustain mental contradictions, they are simply left unaddressed. Nationalism always combines several contradictory ideals, it was originally a liberal movement for example.

    1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition. Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counter-revolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but it was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of them indulgently accepted by the Roman Pantheon) started dreaming of a revelation received at the dawn of human history. This revelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages—in Egyptian hieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little known religions of Asia.
    This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says, “the combination of different forms of belief or practice”; such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a silver of wisdom, and whenever they seem to say different or incompatible things it is only because all are alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.
    As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth has been already spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.
    One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements. The most influential theoretical source of the theories of the new Italian right, Julius Evola, merged the Holy Grail with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, alchemy with the Holy Roman and Germanic Empire. The very fact that the Italian right, in order to show its open-mindedness, recently broadened its syllabus to include works by De Maistre, Guenon, and Gramsci, is a blatant proof of syncretism.
    If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled as New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge—that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.


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    Very few white supremacists are Christian. In fact the idea is anathema to the Christian religion. Any basic understanding of the Bible would cause a Christian to abandon race-based tribalism, which is why such people have a tendency to glorify pagan deities instead.

    It is funny that they use Thor and other war gods as symbols to rally Europeans against Islam. I mean what is the difference? They are both evil pagan cults. Is pillaging, stealing, killing, OK when done by Scandinavians but not when done by Africans and Asians?
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    Well I have a belief that almost no one seems to be follow, but it was formed after talking for long periods of time to several people who lived most of their life under Portuguese Fascist regime describing their lives.

    Most of what modern day people see as Fascism is 70% imagination of "their personal bad thing" by this point. Fascism is likely not coming back. For ideological reasons, it is called "reactionary" but in truth it was a revolutionary movement with opposite ways of communist revolutionary movements. Fascism was meant to offer an autoritarian ideological alternative to Democracy and Monarchy. Since both Democracy and Monarchy were ancient ideas (Democracy comes since Ancient Greece) both of them were seen as Old Ideas. Fascism was seen as a new social and economic experiment, just like Communism. Both had the "new leaf and fresh water" appeal to them, of being the "new big thing".

    Much of the left who still lived in fascism during my country will say things repeated in school historybooks, which speaks for itself. The left here makes an introspection of fascism to confirm all their ideological bias. Left also has a tendency to call everything sceptical of left as "reactionary", which does not help either to understand the why of fascist movements having risen.

    Why this confirmation? There are several measures implemented in Democratic systems that would be a Wet Dream of Authoritarian Fascists of old, and Democracy lovers clap at it and aprove it while condemning fascism. It's not a double-think simply because they can't or don't want to acess sources of how/why fascism worked without being from an Ideologically charged source.

    So I say that fascism in the end failed multiple times. Simple as this. Same logical argument for dismissing communism. I'm not going to enter in detail which failed more, but seeing the original objectives of Fascism movements and how it ended, they achieved very very little of their initial revolutionary ambitions.

    You could say fascism suceeded in some things, such as quelling routine social unrest and keeping even if by iron force social cohesion in order, which reflected in better economic performance, but that's for the fascist revolutionaries of the 20s-30s just fufilling 20% of what planned. A strong underperformance.

    Difference being they don't describe it as "not real fascism". They say it was fascism, but started failing to achieve what it was suposed to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    However, i'm simply confused how so many White supremacists in the West cite judeo-christian values as inherent in their own race's culture yet adopt the double think of accepting a non white middle eastern jew as their deity, master and lord. If they were true nativists, then surely they would worship the same gods as their ancestors, say Odin and Thor?
    Same way how Chinese accepting an Indian as their deity.
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    It's not dishonest at all: Gods are metaphysical/supernatural beings, they lack essential physical attributes: physical attributes can be ascribed to them by individuals or cultures. Also we have the tradition of "visions" in European Christianity: these "visions" certainly contain/contained a racial component. On top of that there's the artistic traditions in Europe depicting the Christian deities in a particular series of styles.

    Essentially: Jesus as a Palestinian has nothing to do with European Christianity. European Christianity is something almost completely independent from the historicity of some crazy rabbi guy called Jesus.
    yet modern christianity isnt heterodox from the teachings of the torah/OT/NT else why would they still be included in modern church teachings. Exception of course being the Mormons and in that case white supremacism is encoded within the Book of Mormon until the church leaders 'officially recanted the second class status of negroes' in the 70s.
    Ultimately christianity comes down to the worship of a middle eastern man in direct contradiction to the notion of white supremacy.

    I would imagine that in the minds of racists: white power only became a tangible thing after the ascendancy of Christianity and only became the masters of the world at that point. Their pagan epoch being jut an embryonic stage in their development towards manifest destiny.
    if you look at the mythology of white nationalists, they assert that white supremacism existed long before christianity; they look to the ancient Greek philosophers as their spiritual ancestors who were evidently non christian.
    After the infamous 'heilgate' controversy after Trump's election, i looked up this Richard Spencer bloke and as much as his views are odious, you cant help but notice that this is an educated guy espousing racist doublethink.

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    Well it kinda answers all the OP. Like it or not, Crusaders fought the best pagan Nordic warriors from Odinism and Thor, with nordic idea of "The Strong Man is Correct". Victory for Crusader side.
    So the logical conclusion spells itself out.

    Even before that, in battle of river frigidus, Eastern Emperor Theodosius with an army of Christians defeats the pagan revivalist army, soldiers who were Pagan likely being in favour of Mars, God of War. Well, victory for Christians again. Western Emperor Eugenius and his army defeated.

    So that's the problem of living with a "might makes right" mindset. One day it will turn against you, because no one wins forever.
    indeed, the danger of that way of thinking is to adopt the perspective that the Islamic god Allah is devouring the christian god much like how Slaanesh devoured and enslaved Khaine as his slave, given the rapid conversion of some europeans and the infiltration of europe by islamists.

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    Fascism is able to sustain mental contradictions, they are simply left unaddressed. Nationalism always combines several contradictory ideals, it was originally a liberal movement for example.


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    Source: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
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    Very few white supremacists are Christian. In fact the idea is anathema to the Christian religion. Any basic understanding of the Bible would cause a Christian to abandon race-based tribalism, which is why such people have a tendency to glorify pagan deities instead.

    It is funny that they use Thor and other war gods as symbols to rally Europeans against Islam. I mean what is the difference? They are both evil pagan cults. Is pillaging, stealing, killing, OK when done by Scandinavians but not when done by Africans and Asians?
    it appears to be the reverse; very few white supremacists are neo-pagans; the majority of white supremacists are judeo-christian even zionist in beliefs. Most of the far right nationalist parties in europe for eg geert wilders, alternative for deeutschland, support the state of Israel and are against palestinean statehood.

    When white supremacists rail on about the erosion of the culture of 'white people' they're referring to the judeo-christian set of values in european/american culture, not the scandinavian/teutones cultural values of the vikings.
    For all intents and purposes, white europeans/americans have been thoroughly 'middle easternised'/cultural assimilated into levantine cultural practices. Compare and contrast this with say the Chinese who in turn absorbed invading cultures rather than the reverse.

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    Well I have a belief that almost no one seems to be follow, but it was formed after talking for long periods of time to several people who lived most of their life under Portuguese Fascist regime describing their lives.

    Most of what modern day people see as Fascism is 70% imagination of "their personal bad thing" by this point. Fascism is likely not coming back. For ideological reasons, it is called "reactionary" but in truth it was a revolutionary movement with opposite ways of communist revolutionary movements. Fascism was meant to offer an autoritarian ideological alternative to Democracy and Monarchy. Since both Democracy and Monarchy were ancient ideas (Democracy comes since Ancient Greece) both of them were seen as Old Ideas. Fascism was seen as a new social and economic experiment, just like Communism. Both had the "new leaf and fresh water" appeal to them, of being the "new big thing".

    Much of the left who still lived in fascism during my country will say things repeated in school historybooks, which speaks for itself. The left here makes an introspection of fascism to confirm all their ideological bias. Left also has a tendency to call everything sceptical of left as "reactionary", which does not help either to understand the why of fascist movements having risen.

    Why this confirmation? There are several measures implemented in Democratic systems that would be a Wet Dream of Authoritarian Fascists of old, and Democracy lovers clap at it and aprove it while condemning fascism. It's not a double-think simply because they can't or don't want to acess sources of how/why fascism worked without being from an Ideologically charged source.

    So I say that fascism in the end failed multiple times. Simple as this. Same logical argument for dismissing communism. I'm not going to enter in detail which failed more, but seeing the original objectives of Fascism movements and how it ended, they achieved very very little of their initial revolutionary ambitions.

    You could say fascism suceeded in some things, such as quelling routine social unrest and keeping even if by iron force social cohesion in order, which reflected in better economic performance, but that's for the fascist revolutionaries of the 20s-30s just fufilling 20% of what planned. A strong underperformance.

    Difference being they don't describe it as "not real fascism". They say it was fascism, but started failing to achieve what it was suposed to.
    interesting point; i'd say that a perception of seeing the government as in a state of constant transition prevents the government from being stagnant and relying merely on its own 'ism' to stay afloat. good points.
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    Same way how Chinese accepting an Indian as their deity.
    there are no Chinese supremacists who espouse views in line with those of the white supremacist movements in the Western world.

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    I speak of course of the current trend of white supremacists cum white ethnic nationalists who talk a lot about the importance of race and preserving their cultural heritage and cultural values which i have no objection against.

    However, i'm simply confused how so many White supremacists in the West cite judeo-christian values as inherent in their own race's culture yet adopt the double think of accepting a non white middle eastern jew as their deity, master and lord. If they were true nativists, then surely they would worship the same gods as their ancestors, say Odin and Thor?
    It's not a matter of Jew or not Jew, it's a matter of Western History, of Western cultural values and of Western Civilization: Westerners are Christians. From the time of Constantine up to nowadays the people belonging to the Euro-American world are Christians. I'm atheist but if you ask me about my cultural roots, then I must say they are Christian, Christianism is part of our Civilization and this is not a matter of being far-right or far-left, it's a matter of being civilized Western citizens. Christianism is at the roots of any development of the Western Civilization, any philosophical school, any cultural and scientific or artistic development, any social and political ideal, have had to deal directly or indirectly with Christianism.

    The Germanic groups abandoned paganism during the IV, V and VI century Anno Domini, than the symbol of the ancient warlike ideals became the Miles Christi, the Christian Knight, the ancient sciamanic and Sarmatian symbol of the sword driven into the ground, became the symbol of the Holy Cross, the same design formed by hilt and blade with crossguard were the perfect depiction of the Cross of Jesus judge and avenger, the Cross itself summed millennia of Eurasian symbolism, Wotan and the whole Germanic pantheon, were absorbed into the Christian system, Jesus, as Wotan, rose again from death, and the arcangels as Michael, Gabriel and Rafael were the perfect depictions of the warlike society of medieval Europe.



    If you ask why the Jew religion became part of the Western Civilization, I tell you that you can read it on any history book, at first it may even seem a simple story: the Jews conquered by Romans entered into the Roman cultural landscape, slowly becoming a fundative part of it. It's nobody's fault, simply things went in that way.

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    it appears to be the reverse; very few white supremacists are neo-pagans; the majority of white supremacists are judeo-christian even zionist in beliefs. Most of the far right nationalist parties in europe for eg geert wilders, alternative for deeutschland, support the state of Israel and are against palestinean statehood.

    When white supremacists rail on about the erosion of the culture of 'white people' they're referring to the judeo-christian set of values in european/american culture, not the scandinavian/teutones cultural values of the vikings.
    For all intents and purposes, white europeans/americans have been thoroughly 'middle easternised'/cultural assimilated into levantine cultural practices. Compare and contrast this with say the Chinese who in turn absorbed invading cultures rather than the reverse.
    That may have been the case a few decades ago, but nowadays the white nationalist movement is largely made up of young and irreligious people, who either have no regard for religion, or make use of the Norse gods as symbols to rally Europeans against invaders. For instance the most prominent white nationalist lately, Richard Spencer, isn't a Christian, and in fact doesn't seem to care for Christianity at all.

    Again, as any good understanding of the Bible will show, division based on race has no basis in Christianity. To "Christian" white supremacists, the religion is merely a tribal affiliation. It matters little whether the religion is Middle Eastern or European in origin. If you press the issue long enough, they will admit that they aren't really adherents of Christianity.

    Wilders also is neither a racist nor a white supremacist. He is defending Europe from Islam, and occasionally makes us of protectionist rhetoric, to appeal to the economic views of a few of his supporters. So that was a bad example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocle View Post
    If you ask why the Jew religion became part of the Western Civilization, I tell you that you can read it on any history book, at first it may even seem a simple story: the Jews conquered by Romans entered into the Roman cultural landscape, slowly becoming a fundative part of it. It's nobody's fault, simply things went in that way.
    Jews don't take such spinoff as canon, they see it as a movement that catched on with non-jews and that's it. Judaism itself changed a lot after judea-roman wars, let alone Christianity. 2 mutations were had, but one of them, Christianity, was the one to drift away the most from the middle eastern source and absorve/learn from all cultures of roman empire around

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    indeed, the danger of that way of thinking is to adopt the perspective that the Islamic god Allah is devouring the christian god much like how Slaanesh devoured and enslaved Khaine as his slave, given the rapid conversion of some europeans and the infiltration of europe by islamists.
    All advice Christianity gave to societies to defend themselves against possible new religions replacing local customs of europe were.. proudly flushed down the toilet, to smugly proclaim that their demi-god Secularism would fix things.

    So well, so far I've waited decades to see if Secularism can find -anything- to fight new entering religion and the ocasional (lone?) jihadist. It's not Islam versus Christianity, it's Islam versus Secularism, with Secularism taking quite a pounding. Formerly it was Secularism vs Christianity, and still kinda is, but Christianity was defeated for some key Secularists infiltrated Christianity inside out.

    But now I've been counting on 2 decades of waiting to see if Secularism is able to pull anything in its defence rather than routinely lose ground. You should take your 40kWarhammer metaphors more seriously on the several factions tension thing.
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    there are no Chinese supremacists who espouse views in line with those of the white supremacist movements in the Western world.
    There once were, but Chinese supremacism was technically shattered by white men during 19th Century, results the bipolar personality in modern Chinese culture today (in other words, think white men are the greatest but despise other non-white).

    But to answer your question, yes back in the good old days call Tang Dynasty, when Buddhism showed up in China, the Chinese Confucianists/Supremacists did complain heavily why their fellow countrymen wanted to commit themselves to a barbarian religion instead spending time on glorious Confucianism, which their words resulted a few government persecutions on Buddhism. Ultimately Chinese did find a compromise on this issue - by simply turning Buddha into yellow skin, not much different like how white Christians think Jesus is white.
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    Same way liberals reconcile islamic misoguny and rape culture with support for women's rights, I guess.
    But look at it this way. As it has been said, God is a supernatural entity. As such, he would manifest where he was needed most. The fact that he manifested in that specific place does not essentially make him a Jew or something.
    I am not a White Supremacist personally, the Greek version of nationalism as expressed by Ioannis Metaxas does not particularly condone racial supremacism.
    Personally, I prefer to keep my religious convictions out of politics and vice versa.

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    There's all of like 10,000 white supremacists in North America. You could put them all in the same town.

    Why should we care how they make sense of the world? They're a pathetic lost cause.
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    I'm suddenly reminded of when Hitler funded scholarly programs for discovering ways to divorce the Jewish identity from Jesus and reinterpret things to make him into an Aryan hero instead. Hilarity ensued and some 40s slapstick comedy was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix View Post
    I'm suddenly reminded of when Hitler funded scholarly programs for discovering ways to divorce the Jewish identity from Jesus and reinterpret things to make him into an Aryan hero instead. Hilarity ensued and some 40s slapstick comedy was born.
    The Nazis despite being rooted in catholic Bavaria were uncomfortable with "worshiping a Jew" and inserted pagan symbols into many churches, such as trees (interesting a traditional "goddess Religion symbol" for want of a better term explicitly decried in the OT). Hitler himself referred to Scandinavia as 'the Zone of destiny" and there was a lot of anti-intellectual myth-making around German identity.

    As mentioned many neo-Nazis and alt righters identify with Norse paganism: a group calling themselves "Sons of Odin" picketed an old person's home where a group of elderly Syrian Christians had been given asylum in my city. Pathetic scumbags harassing old people driven from their country by war, very typical of the sort of lowlives that Nazism attracts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    There's all of like 10,000 white supremacists in North America. You could put them all in the same town.

    Why should we care how they make sense of the world? They're a pathetic lost cause.
    10,000? I think there are probably 10,000 white supremacists in my town alone in the UK. America must have millions. I don't mean paid-up active members of the KKK, but people who have a general dislike of non-whites and especially race mixing.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    Default Re: How Do White Supremacists Reconcile Worshipping a Middle Eastern Jew?

    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    There's all of like 10,000 white supremacists in North America. You could put them all in the same town.

    Why should we care how they make sense of the world? They're a pathetic lost cause.
    10,000? Have you ever heard of this little thing called the American prison system?
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
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