[Stainless Steel 6.4] SS All Factions

**themzr** · October 06, 2018, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by kolu2210

Will be up Thursday

Moors turn done tho:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vVo...ew?usp=sharing

K-sah up:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/142o...ew?usp=sharing

Someone help me get Advanced Mil. Training as well. Need 4 to keep up with the others here

Do you have some compulsive need to keep breaking NAPs?

**kolu2210** · October 06, 2018, 10:02 AM

What NAP?

I ceasefired you cause Egypt demanded it. Two turns later Egypt declared war on me so...

**themzr** · October 06, 2018, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by kolu2210

What NAP?

I ceasefired you cause Egypt demanded it. Two turns later Egypt declared war on me so...

It's like I'm talking to someone with alzheimer's... We established an NAP between BOTH Moors, Kiev and Hungary when you were fighting the HRE. You choose to break that NAP for each faction, in the case of the Moors to make an uncalled for attack and for Kiev you broke it even after promising you wouldn't and egypt telling you that him and I had achieved peace. Then (at least on paper) we reconstituted those NAP's, even after persevering through your ridiculous and stubborn attempts at diplomacy. I don't know why I'm surprised that now you see fit to break it again because it suits you.

**kolu2210** · October 06, 2018, 02:37 PM

Do not worry, your pain will be over soon

**paladinbob123** · October 07, 2018, 05:15 PM

The kwarezmians had long sat on the sidelines, as the conflict raged across Europe but curtailed with non-aggressive agreements with Egypt and the cumans, they just enjoyed the wealth of the silk road, but long had they sought a Crimean sea port to provide access for the ships to further markets. When the Egyptians asked for them to attack the weak kievan ports , they leap at the chance , moving a few armies groups to that direction, and last minute kievan diplomatic moves to head of the threat, came to naught as the kwarezmians stormed in the port city of Kutaisi with little resistance.

battle pics : https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vg1fcglnj..._adv1.jpg?dl=0

The kwarezmians assure the Egyptians and the Cumans that such attacks on the border against keiven ports, will be limited and will not infringe upon there treaties.

Turn sent to Russia [via email] as has no password lock

**Ramble12** · October 10, 2018, 08:33 PM

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MT...ew?usp=sharing

Egypt

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oCK...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fYy...ew?usp=sharing

**★RedStar★** · October 12, 2018, 10:03 PM

Will be up tomorrow...

EDIT: Turn almost done, will finish it when I wake up...

**★RedStar★** · October 14, 2018, 10:48 AM

Declared war on Kiev:
- https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Kq...uEj3KtC9Z-d1xk
- https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Tb...MQvu2elMZEO5om
- https://drive.google.com/open?id=1W-...x_-4gw0-3dmqr0
- https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rN...HPoFsjllUTNsgA

**kolu2210** · October 14, 2018, 11:06 AM

How is it possible to completely wipe out an army standing in my lands? Did you block its retreat?

**★RedStar★** · October 14, 2018, 11:23 AM

No, I attacked it as you see in the pic. Probably that army wanted to go to ships behind but there was no room for it as a previously defeated army already was there. And I dont think it's a good idea to leave armies like that.

**kolu2210** · October 14, 2018, 11:30 AM

That doesn't make sense. I'll have the admin look into whether it has to do with the order of your attacks or putting units by bridges behind them or something.

**General Dragon.** · October 14, 2018, 05:26 PM

The kievian army gets destroyed, because it is surrounded of the zone of control of the egyptian army led, by the general, hence it can't retreat to anywhere and gets destroyed. I moved the kievian army to an adjacent position, so if the army gets beaten it can retreat now, instead of getting destroyed. An updated save has been sent to Redstar to play his turn.

**themzr** · October 14, 2018, 05:38 PM

I don't think that is a fair ruling. Why should kolu try and be rewarded for a poor placement of his own army?

**kolu2210** · October 14, 2018, 06:05 PM

Other option is redstar places the two armies so my army isn't completely surrounded by ZoC or does the two attacks in a different order.

The game is glitchy but you aren't allowed to set up the attack to deny the army or fleet retreating. Similar to sieging a town or fort so an army can't retreat to it and is wiped out.

**themzr** · October 14, 2018, 06:27 PM

The exploitation that rule seeks to prevent is very different from how redstar is playing his turn. He is not surrounding the army with 7 smaller 1 unit troops to deny a retreat, he is simply using 2 strong armies to defeat another strong army. Historically if an army was fighting with its back to some sort of natural obstacle, like a river or a mountain and it was attacked and defeated its troops would be annihilated as they would have nowhere to retreat to. You placed your army there, you should have to deal with the consequences..... not redstar

**★RedStar★** · October 14, 2018, 06:28 PM

I agree, indeed that was a poor placement of armies but still I guess the main army was supposed to retreat to the nearest settlement which is Oleshe in this case. Doing attacks in a different order isnt possible because of the limited movement one of my army has and because of the placement of enemy armies.

Anyway, that general should die next turn so no problem...