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    WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney will be called to testify on behalf of his former chief of staff in the CIA leak case, defense attorneys said Tuesday, ending months of speculation over what would be historic testimony.

    "We're calling the vice president," attorney Ted Wells said in court. Wells represents defendant I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who is charged with perjury and obstruction.

    Sitting presidents, including Clinton and Ford, have testified in criminal cases, but presidential historians said they knew of no vice president who has done so.

    William Jeffress, another of Libby's attorneys, would not say whether Cheney is under a subpoena to testify. Issuing a court order to a sitting vice president could raise separation-of-powers concerns, but Jeffress said it was not an issue.

    "We don't expect him to resist," Jeffress said.

    Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who said last week he did not expect the White House to challenge his witnesses, said Tuesday he did not plan to call Cheney.

    Wells immediately said he would.

    "That settles that," Fitzgerald said.

    Neither Jeffress nor Wells would say whether they expect Cheney to testify in the courtroom or offer videotaped testimony to avoid infringing on the separation of powers.

    "We've cooperated fully in this matter and will continue to do so in fairness to the parties involved," said Lea Anne McBride, a spokeswoman for the vice president. "As we've stated previously, we're not going to comment further on a legal proceeding."

    Libby is accused of lying to investigators about what he told reporters regarding former CIA operative Valerie Plame. Plame's identity was leaked to reporters around the time that her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, publicly criticized the Bush administration's prewar intelligence on Iraq.

    Libby says he was focused on more important issues — including terrorism, Iraq and nuclear proliferation — and didn't remember his conversations regarding Plame.

    Cheney could bolster that argument by testifying about the many other larger issues Libby was responsible for. During cross-examination, Fitzgerald likely will press Cheney to acknowledge that Plame was a key concern for him, and thus would have been important to Libby.

    The trial could offer a behind-the-scenese look at the Bush administration's march to war and U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton said he planned to ask potential jurors whether their feelings on the administration's policies would interfere with their ability to serve.

    Cheney and Libby got to know each other when Cheney was defense secretary under the first President Bush. Libby has been extremely loyal to Cheney and, in return, had the vice president's unwavering trust.

    By 2000, Libby was working as a top adviser to Cheney in the presidential campaign and then followed him to the White House. In the White House, he was known as "Cheney's Cheney" for being as trusted a problem solver for the vice president as Cheney was for Bush.

    Even after Libby's indictment, Cheney called him "one of the finest men I've ever known."

    In addition to Cheney, other government officials and journalists are expected to be key witnesses in the trial, which is scheduled to start next month.

    Former New York Times reporter Judith Miller and NBC News Washington bureau chief Tim Russert are expected to be prosecution witnesses. Libby's lawyers said in court papers that several reporters will testify on Libby's behalf.

    Two unidentified reporters may resist testifying, Libby's attorneys said, but they expect to resolve that issue before trial.
    Wow, this is one hell of a news cycle. I've been waiting for this day since 2000.

    For all the non-americans reading this:The only way to prosecute the administration for lying is if they lie under oath, as we all learned from Clinton.
    Apparently It's perfectly fine to lie us into a war but if they lie under oath about even a blowjob they can be impeached.
    I know it's a pathetic excuse for justice but it's all we got.

    It's good either way, either Cheney can continue to lie and put his administration at risk, or he can tell the truth and let loose some of this administration's dirty secrets, the result is positive no matter.

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    so who's gonna know if he lies or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwaho View Post
    so who's gonna know if he lies or not?
    Only himself and anyone with contrary evidence. Cheney is a smart man and he will probably lie skillfully, however these lies can actually effect him unlike all the lies he made about Iraq's WMDs.

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    nothing the penguin can't handle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwaho View Post


    nothing the penguin can't handle!

    where did you find that?

    anyhoo, I don't think this trial will amount to much, but one can hope
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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man View Post
    Wow, this is one hell of a news cycle. I've been waiting for this day since 2000.

    For all the non-americans reading this:The only way to prosecute the administration for lying is if they lie under oath, as we all learned from Clinton.
    Apparently It's perfectly fine to lie us into a war but if they lie under oath about even a blowjob they can be impeached.
    I know it's a pathetic excuse for justice but it's all we got.

    It's good either way, either Cheney can continue to lie and put his administration at risk, or he can tell the truth and let loose some of this administration's dirty secrets, the result is positive no matter.
    See the problem here is some people (yourself given the tone of your post perhaps?) wont accept anything Cheney says as anything but lying unless he takes the stand and goes 'yes I authorized it' or that Bush did. Cheney isnt on trial here, he is a defense witness so really this isnt a big story.

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    Default Re: Cheney to testify in Libby's trial, Under Oath!!:D

    Quote Originally Posted by over-man View Post
    Aren't Penguins warm-blooded?
    Of course they are.
    If they weren't they would freeze solid if the temperature drops below zero (as it often does in most penguin populated places)

    All birds are warm blooded.

    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Cheney isnt on trial here, he is a defense witness so really this isnt a big story.
    I think his point is: if Cheney lies under oath he can be put on trial. (depending on how much hard evidence there is of course)
    Last edited by Erik; December 19, 2006 at 07:38 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post

    I think his point is: if Cheney lies under oath he can be put on trial. (depending on how much hard evidence there is of course)
    And you cant prove he is lying is my point, lets say for example they did release it and it was done purpose and Libby accepts the fall guy in exchange for the admin backing him up. That leaves everyone basically saying the same thing with no hard evidence (and there isnt any, if there were the ind council would have tried to get charges against more people then Libby) its left as an impass. If Bush admin is as 'evil' as some want to believe this wont amount to anything and if they are innocent it wont amount to anything either and in either case some people will maintain SOMEHOW the Bush admin did something to avoid being proven guilty! So as I said anything short of Cheney saying yes I authorize it will be seen as him lying in the minds of some people regardless of the lack of actual evidence making this entire sideshow a non issue imo.

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