Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Kingdom of Castile

[miguelmm]

There's more to units than just their role. It can be the name, what they look like, their equipment, etc. Everything looks fine in those regards, minus the cross of Burgundy (which I personally don't find that huge a deal, honestly). I was just responding to the Spanish poster who thought Tercios should have a place in the mod (however that would be applied). Next thing you know, the Polish Hussars will have wings because there was Hussars in Poland and Winged Hussars aren't that far off and are so cool and important. That's what I want to avoid at all costs. I don't really have a problem with your Castilian roster., it's perfectly fine and looks good IMO.

What I've tried to say, following the idea of The_Fawn_Rescuer, is that the existance of some kind of very early tercios wouldn't be wrong according to history. The way he has focused that idea (providing the units in order to create a battle tercio) is not different from the actual configuration of many rosters already done.

Although the Castilian roster looks absolutely fantastic, I'm also one of those who prefers to be historically correct. That's why I remarked a few posts back some historical errors (basically the use of the cross of Burgundy on the uniforms of some units).

[Wallachian]

What I've tried to say, following the idea of The_Fawn_Rescuer, is that the existance of some kind of very early tercios wouldn't be wrong according to history. The way he has focused that idea (providing the units in order to create a battle tercio) is not different from the actual configuration of many rosters already done.

Although the Castilian roster looks absolutely fantastic, I'm also one of those who prefers to be historically correct. That's why I remarked a few posts back some historical errors (basically the use of the cross of Burgundy on the uniforms of some units).

My understanding was that the proto-tercio was the colunella which appeared around late 1490s and was replaced by the actual tercio organisation around 1530. So yes technically the existence of an early form of tercio is within the mod timeframe (barely though).

[The_Fawn_Rescuer]

There's more to units than just their role. It can be the name, what they look like, their equipment, etc. Everything looks fine in those regards, minus the cross of Burgundy (which I personally don't find that huge a deal, honestly). I was just responding to the Spanish poster who thought Tercios should have a place in the mod (however that would be applied). Next thing you know, the Polish Hussars will have wings because there was Hussars in Poland and Winged Hussars aren't that far off and are so cool and important. That's what I want to avoid at all costs. I don't really have a problem with your Castilian roster., it's perfectly fine and looks good IMO.

Thanks. I definitely agree, the last thing I would want is to compromise the historical accuracy of the mod. Otherwise, what's the point? I appreciate that people don't mind the small cross of burgundy anachronism, I had some worries after miguelmm's original comment that it would cause a lot of complaints. Because it technically is not correct, those complaints would certainly be justified.

[Nacho13]

HI, very nice work with this faction!! I only have a question /suggestion about rodeleros, shouldnt be wearing this kind of helmets as well? These are aragonese peones, late period

[Slytacular]

Those are based on the Burgundian Chapel de fer.

[Nacho13]

Those are based on the Burgundian Chapel de fer.

So they do not correspond with castille?

[Slytacular]

Well I'm the creator of that helmet you took a screenshot of, and I'm just informing you of what I based that on.

[Nacho13]

Thanks for the info then, im just wondering if late castillians should be wearing those helmets as well, I have seen them quite a lot in documentals and historical series, its like very representative of the Spanish. You are the dev of this faction and it's quite evident you know more than me, so I wanted to know if those helmets were used by castillians at this period, or not, therefore I would understand why castillian rodeleros don't have those helmets, as the aragonese do have them, and quite other factions as well.

[The_Fawn_Rescuer]

Thanks for the info then, im just wondering if late castillians should be wearing those helmets as well, I have seen them quite a lot in documentals and historical series, its like very representative of the Spanish. You are the dev of this faction and it's quite evident you know more than me, so I wanted to know if those helmets were used by castillians at this period, or not, therefore I would understand why castillian rodeleros don't have those helmets, as the aragonese do have them, and quite other factions as well.

Thanks for your interest. I had a lot of fun making Castile.

This line of questions confuses me. I'm fairly certain I DID use the burgundian helmet model on the castilian Tier 3 units (some of them). However, I used it sparingly, because you don't see it much in 15th century Spanish artwork (their kettles seem to be more flat usually, or hug the face really tight and curve downwards rather than upwards), and there aren't any surviving Spanish examples I've seen from the 15th century that look that way. I have a suspicion that you are thinking of the morion:

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which was popular in the Spanish Army, but it is a mid-late 16th century design, and out of the timeframe of the mod. The most similar thing to it for the 15th century is this cabasset

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of which we do have a model for and it appears pretty regularly in Spanish units. The cabasset is considered a precursor to and early version of the Morion-style helm.

[Imperator Karl franz IV SIGMA]

the helmets are like from the rodeleros of age of empire 3

[Wallachian]

the helmets are like from the rodeleros of age of empire 3

No, it's not exactly the same helmet. The one you pictured is a morion which is out of the mod's time period (XVIth century). They are related since the one currently in the mod is the precursor to the morion.

[Visarion]

Btw fawn... what faction are u currently working on! ?

[Visarion]

Is it just me or are there way too many stripes in first tiers!?

[Azrien Fox]

Is it just me or are there way too many stripes in first tiers!?

Yeah those tier one monjes militares ate very flashy, maybe a little too ridiculous. But I dont know exactly, because maybe that's how Castile was in the manuscripts? Not exactly sure.

[tomtucker]

Hello, i have to say that i like the roster of the faction and playing with Castille is great but actually i don't like that much the change in the late castillian men at arms and order knights i think that the previous way they looked was awesome and in my opinion the new look make them look a bit weird. Thank you for all your work guys¡¡

[ferrete]

There is something that i want to ask and is why the castilian units look so different compairing with the Crown of Aragon ones, because the castilian ones look lighter, less professional even if they have the same or better stats (i had never read or heard that the spanish troops were lighter or didnt wear pauldrons or their horses werent barded in comparison with the knights of the other european countries). About the tier 1 i don't understand why the knights have to wear all of them a kind of bowl with colour stripes (of course i know that they wear it but not all of them) or if not they wear a kind of painted bucket (the one circled in green in the picture, look weird) they should wear more helmets like the ones circled in blue, because if not you don't think that they are elite units... also i noticed that the almogavares have been changed to a kind of sheepers and thats ok because they were the base of the almogavares troops but the Aragon ones wear mail and helmets and look heavier when the castilian are meelee troops but the Aragon ones use javelinnes. Also the equestres militares are a super unit so heavy but they actually look like light cavalry or the men at arms look tiny if you compare them to the ones of other faction i mean is fine if some of them wear shoulder protections or pauldrons and others not but not all of them or the common troops of the late tier look less advanced in the vestiments or armour than the ones of other countries (looking to France, Aragon and Portugal for example). By the way i don't like the burgundy cross looks anachronic to me but is a minor issue. I don't want you to think like if i was complaining of everything thats just my opinion and maybe it will be heard or maybe not or someone will think like me when read this; i know that factions should have differences and i'm fine with that but this is also a forum and i feel free to express my opinion. You guys are doing a great job but because i don't know how to model i thought i could help giveng my opinion about it. Thank you and sorry for my english...

[Visarion]

Yeah this faction cpuld use a revamp and added more stainless steel as it was the predecessor of the Conqistador Spanish State. I would add some ruch gold and silver decorations instead of rainbow stripes and geometrucal figures...

[Visarion]

Fawn... I m a huge fan of yours but maaaannn this faction neefs a revamp so badly... where did u see so many stripes and geometrical shapes... do check the heraldries... heraldica whatever... I would give a Conqistador ish look 4 tier 3... based on those models 4 tge officers...

[Ramon_NC]

@the_Fawn_Rescuer: man I am a big fan of your work. You've done my favorite factions, Castile and KoJ. Simply great man, I find your designs for these factions to be cool and really makes me feel playing the game again with these two. I also saw the work you've done on the HRE; again, great job.

As to the cross of Burgundy being on the shirts: I don't mind if it is inaccurate, it makes sense (what you said about the player having conquered by then most likely all of Spain/maybe Burgundy or being wiped out).
As to the tercios: you did well to not include them I think for the sake of accuracy, however, the player of course is free to combine the units into terciotactics

Keep up the great work!
PS. I find the Don Quixot to be a nice Easter Egg

[Visarion]

I don t know what to say about that ancient looking scale of the ecuestres militares....