Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Kingdom of Portugal (Work In Progress)

[hessam]

KINGDOM OF PORTUGAL




EARLY ERA

SKIRMISHERS

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ALMOGAVARS

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LEVY SPEARMEN

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LEVY SWORDSMEN

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LEVY CROSSBOWMEN

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PIKEMEN

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SCOUTS

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JINETES

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SERJEANTS

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SPEAR SERJEANTS

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SERJEANT CROSSBOWMEN

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MOUNTED SERJEANTS

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KNIGHTS

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KING AND GUARDS

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And a bonus sneak peak into High Era

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[Filips Augustus]

Excellent work chief! They look stunning .

P.S. Can the faction logo at of the top of the page be changed to the high quality versions of the other faction pages xD?

[Dom1no]

Damn! Good work. Like Filips said, change the faction logo pls

[warman222]

I fixed the icon and adjusted the thread title to be like the other previews.

Good work btw.

[hessam]

Excellent work chief! They look stunning .

P.S. Can the faction logo at of the top of the page be changed to the high quality versions of the other faction pages xD?

Damn! Good work. Like Filips said, change the faction logo pls

I fixed the icon and adjusted the thread title to be like the other previews.

Good work btw.

Lol. I'v been struggling with that to no end like a damn fool. My thanks to Warman for fixing it. And glad you all liked the preview.

[Kjertesvein]

What a beautiful crown. http://i.imgur.com/4jeD6Nb.png

I always like to ask, what will be Portugal's strengths and weakness'?

~Wille

[hessam]

What a beautiful crown. http://i.imgur.com/4jeD6Nb.png

I always like to ask, what will be Portugal's strengths and weakness'?

~Wille

Strengths: Features good late armored infantry and cavalry. Has exclusive access to the Order of Christ in high and late periods (which is technically a revamped Templar Order). Might have (needs more research) access to some Moorish Deserter/Conscript units.

Weaknesses: Cannot recruit archers. Doesn't have access to early heavy infantry (like HRE's armored serjeants)

More features might reveal themselves as I look back and forth.

[Sarcasm_pt]

Weaknesses: Cannot recruit archers. Doesn't have access to early heavy infantry (like HRE's armored serjeants)

More features might reveal themselves as I look back and forth.

No archers at all? Preposterous. There are mentions of archers from Lisboa participating in the siege of Silves in 1189, there are goods lists from Atouguia port that mention bows as cargo along with shields, spears, ascumas (short spears) and maille suits during the reign of Sancho II. Arrows are also mentioned in storage at Castro Marim in 1347 and Noudar in 1366. I also seem to remember a municipal charter that grants certain privileges to archers in Santarém, but I can't find the reference for the the life of me. I get that they lose a lot of their importance later on, and they're in the crossbow country per excellence but there should some even if for just the early period.

Also, no dismounted (regular) knights?

[Nelduin]

Amazing unit details!

[Gongo80]

just orgasm

[hessam]

The guy in the middle seems to have spotted the hidden camera.

[Visarion]

Excellent units!

[Sarcasm_pt]

Just letting you know I haven't forgotten about this. Been reading a lot but haven't found time for much else...Sunday I'll probably drop a ton of words on you, and you'll be free to hate me then

[hessam]

Just letting you know I haven't forgotten about this. Been reading a lot but haven't found time for much else...Sunday I'll probably drop a ton of words on you, and you'll be free to hate me then

Well I've done quite a bit of reading (a long, great book on the municipal militia and an even longer, greater one on the noble houses of the time) since all this and I can tell you that thing aren't gonna stay the same around here.
I always welcome new information and insights, so if you've got sources I might have missed I'd be glad for us to share what we know and come up with something special.

[Caucasian Iberia]

WOW... King's Guard is most pretty and well designed unit in the mod.
Looks very good.

[The_Fawn_Rescuer]

So this is difficult to write because I think these units are beautiful, and speaking from experience I know how hard it is to make things like that and how long it takes, but I have an issue with some of these designs. Your heraldry is pretty off. These designs would be perfect for 15th century, MAYBE late 14th, but they look very out of place on 13th century units. This is still the infancy of heraldric designs, it having only really started in the 12th century in any sort of official sense. Designs for this period should be much simpler. Repeating patterns and borders were later additions, I would save that stuff for the late period units.

Also, Iberian christians were known for being much more lightly armored than their French counterparts, but your knights and a few other units are super heavy (and some have great helmets that are from the 14th century). Something you might want to consider.

Again, your texture work is spectacular, and I think you are headed in the right direction, just some things I wanted to point out. Glad to have you on the team!

[hessam]

Your heraldry is pretty off. These designs would be perfect for 15th century, MAYBE late 14th, but they look very out of place on 13th century units. This is still the infancy of heraldric designs, it having only really started in the 12th century in any sort of official sense. Designs for this period should be much simpler. Repeating patterns and borders were later additions, I would save that stuff for the late period units.

Regarding the heraldry, they are all coats of arms belonging to certain noble families in Portugal. Based on my recent reading of The Making of a Court Society: Kings and Nobles in Late Medieval Portugal, I realized that I've got some of the families wrong (e.g. the De Maia family, the ones with the black and gold eagle, became prominent in 15th century and so should be given to late knights and nobles). I've drawn a table of these noble families based on their period of prominence and I'm gonna reorganize them accordingly.) Apart from that, they are still noble families within the Portuguese court circles. I could simplify some of the elements in their CoA but only so much that they don't deviate from the original.

Also, Iberian christians were known for being much more lightly armored than their French counterparts, but your knights and a few other units are super heavy (and some have great helmets that are from the 14th century). Something you might want to consider.

I don't think there was much difference in how the early knights were dressed for battle in Western Europe (basically chainmail with a surcoat worn over it and some accessories to protect the more vulnerable parts of the body). The most armored unit beside the knights in my roster are the serjeants who wear a simple chainmail (if you're referring to the last few screenshots, they're from my high era roster which hasn't yet been completed). As far as the helmets are concerned, however, I was doubtful about some of them but then I saw them used by the more experienced modders of this team and decided to use them myself.

[finix]

Bravo, you showed us how you can use textures and not seem fantasy and have enough variety and historical appearance also!

[hessam]

Bravo, you showed us how you can use textures and not seem fantasy and have enough variety and historical appearance also!

I Appreciate it finix. By the way, just in case you're planning on making unit cards for this, you'd better wait for a while, because there's going to be some changes in the roster based on my new studies. I wouldn't want to waste your time .

[Sarcasm_pt]

So this is difficult to write because I think these units are beautiful, and speaking from experience I know how hard it is to make things like that and how long it takes, but I have an issue with some of these designs. Your heraldry is pretty off. These designs would be perfect for 15th century, MAYBE late 14th, but they look very out of place on 13th century units. This is still the infancy of heraldric designs, it having only really started in the 12th century in any sort of official sense. Designs for this period should be much simpler. Repeating patterns and borders were later additions, I would save that stuff for the late period units.

Also, Iberian christians were known for being much more lightly armored than their French counterparts, but your knights and a few other units are super heavy (and some have great helmets that are from the 14th century). Something you might want to consider.

Again, your texture work is spectacular, and I think you are headed in the right direction, just some things I wanted to point out. Glad to have you on the team!

Yeah the quartered designs are used much later. But family heradlry did exist from the XIII century onward. So basic ones should be fully accepted and are quite easy to be provided if necessary.

I don't get the less heavily armored bit you keep pushing. I see absolutely no reason for Iberian knights (at this tier) to be any less well equipped than anywhere else in Europe. Helmets, shields, swords, lances, long-sleeved lorigas, maille coifs, scale vests, aventails, caparisons, horse chamfrons, horse maille armor, thigh and arm protections are all mentioned at plenty of of documents and amply represented in art. If what you're saying is that Iberian armies *as a whole* were lighter than say England's, France's or HRE's, then I guess a case can be made for that - but even then it's a stretch below tier 2.

Having said that, having a whole unit in great helms is of course, excessive. Better to have a greater variety of course...nasal, enclosed...

Regarding the heraldry, they are all coats of arms belonging to certain noble families in Portugal. Based on my recent reading of The Making of a Court Society: Kings and Nobles in Late Medieval Portugal, I realized that I've got some of the families wrong (e.g. the De Maia family, the ones with the black and gold eagle, became prominent in 15th century and so should be given to late knights and nobles). I've drawn a table of these noble families based on their period of prominence and I'm gonna reorganize them accordingly.) Apart from that, they are still noble families within the Portuguese court circles. I could simplify some of the elements in their CoA but only so much that they don't deviate from the original.

Well you were using some much later families, as far as I can remember since the images went down and never reappeared. From the top of my head the Noronhas, which hadn't arrived yet from the Asturias. Also, you are using an incorrect form of the five Portuguese escutcheons - the ones on the side should be horizontal since that part was only modified by D. João II which sought to clarify that their positions were not due to some defeat.

Actually the De Maia family was one of the so called five great original families and was still very much active in the years at the start of the mod. Pedro Pais da Maia was not only Alferes-mor for D. Afonso I, he was later Alferes-mor the then king of Leon up until 1186 (I think), where he had some estates. His son, João Pires da Maia was one of the richest people under D. Sancho I and D. Afonso II and was married with a lady from the Sousa family (which you also should consider representing here). Also important are the Riba de Vizela or perhaps the Silvas or Riba Douros among many others.

When you removed the images I wasn't sure how to proceed since I have no idea what you're planning and thus no basis to criticize. This is me letting you know that I'm still alive and just wondering how to proceed.