HDP leader and MPs detained, followed by deadly terrorist attack in Diyarbakir

[Abdülmecid I]

Earlier today, Figen Yüksekdağ together with her better-known co-leader of HDP, a Kurdish nationalist party, self-identifying as center-leftist, Selahattin Demirtaș and several other parliamentarians have been detained by the Turkish authorities, not because of the failed coup d'état attempt of last July, but due to their supposed links with Kurdish Workers' Party, a nationalist armed group, generally recognized as a terrorist organisation. Although it is undeniable that HDP has strong relations with PKK, whose imprisoned leader, Abdullah Öcalan, as well as his family have supported, while HDP rallies have been joined by men dressed as PKK militants and even PKK warlords have called for voting the specific party, the actions of the AKP government are apparently hypocritical.

President Erdoğan, before the recent events of the Syrian Civil War, pandered to the Kurdish population of Eastern Turkey, whose religious piety and social conservatism make it an ideal voting base for his reactionary propaganda and the controversial ideological messages endorsed by AKP, while he even allowed PKK and invaluable ceasefire, necessary for its regrouping in a time, when its resistance was about to evapoate. Even pro-PKK media admitted the very attractive prospects of an AKP-PKK alliance. As the previously mentioned source implied, his measures against HDP, with or without sufficient legal evidence, i probably nothing but a continuous effort of undermining a party, which, by appealing to the same crowd, threatens his political power. Meanwhile, only few hours after the detainments, Diyarbakir, a city in SE Turkey with a significant Kurdish population, was shaken by a car explosion, near a police department, where the aforementioned HDP parliamentarians were held.


According to the local administration, PKK is the suspected perpetrator behind the attack, which costed the life of at least 7 innocents, including five civilians and 2 police officers. All those facts could potentially futher de-escalated the already destabilised Republic of Turkey, portraying the current government as an even more authoritative entity, while new tensions between Kurdish militant groups and the Turkish executive organs might arise, especially given the conflict between YPG and Syrian rebels, allied with the Turkish army, in northern Syria.

[Mangalore]

Bye-bye, democracy, it's not you, it's me.
~erdogan

So I assume randomly accusing anyone one doesn't like it
of being a member of a luckily secret conspiracy without membership card wasn't enough anymore.

Fun comedy ensued when these guys accused Germany of restricting rights of turks and that turkey is really the same as Germany. Dear turks, it's not. We will have to wait for an afd win next year for that

[StarDreamer]

If anyone still had any illusions about turkey having a semblance of democracy left, then this should dispell it. Turkey is a dictatorship.

[Odenat]

A political party that supports terrorism is not a political party, but a terrorist organization. What will happen if an American senator is sending people to join ISIS and is caught with bombs in his car? What will happen if the leader of an American party says that "We are ISIS, we come from Rakka, Mossul belongs to ISIS, USA will bend the knee!"?

The problem is not what is happening to HDP. The problem is that Turkey allowed those terrorists to become a gangrene.

[alhoon]

A political party that supports terrorism is not a political party, but a terrorist organization. What will happen if an American senator is sending people to join ISIS and is caught with bombs in his car? What will happen if the leader of an American party says that "We are ISIS, we come from Rakka, Mossul belongs to ISIS, USA will bend the knee!"?

The problem is not what is happening to HDP. The problem is that Turkey allowed those terrorists to become a gangrene.

They would NOT arrest him. There's freedom of speech over the Ocean. I could go in the street there and say that I support X terrorist group ideologically. As long as I don't use violence, I won't be arrested. Sure, I may be lynched, but not arrested.
Same in Greece; there have been political parties that wanted to free the 17N terrorists. Actually a couple of them have been elected by radicals in the parliament.

No, non-violent declaration that you support X ideology is not a reason to get arrested in most of the West (and USA), despite how awful X can be.

Here's the other leader of HDP calling Turkey to a ceasefire with ISIS; It asks from Turkey to stop the security operations in Turkey! Can you imagine that? Can you imagine an American senator asking US government to a ceasefire with ISIS and stopping anti-terror operations inside USA?

Several American politicians are against the Patriot act, NSA, government surveillance etc. Most of the Libertarian party for example...

Now,tell me, can the muslims at Germany create a political party supporting ISIS, recruiting for them and collecting money? Will German laws allow it? If not, is Germany a fascist dictatorship?

Yes, German laws probably allow it, except of recruiting men for ISIS. That's probably illegal.
In fact, I would bet there are several European companies indirectly working with ISIS through ISIS affiliates.

[PointOfViewGun]

They would NOT arrest him. There's freedom of speech over the Ocean. I could go in the street there and say that I support X terrorist group ideologically. As long as I don't use violence, I won't be arrested. Sure, I may be lynched, but not arrested.
Same in Greece; there have been political parties that wanted to free the 17N terrorists. Actually a couple of them have been elected by radicals in the parliament.

No, non-violent declaration that you support X ideology is not a reason to get arrested in most of the West (and USA), despite how awful X can be.

Does UK count?

[alhoon]

Does UK count?

Nope. Nor would a couple of more countries that I cannot recall but I am sure exist. That's why I said "most" of the west instead of "All" of the West.

[PointOfViewGun]

Nope. Nor would a couple of more countries that I cannot recall but I am sure exist. That's why I said "most" of the west instead of "All" of the West.

UK is usually one of the core countries in that group of countries, but, sure, it's always is till it isn't... There are many examples from USA where you can get arrested if you have directly or indirectly threatening posts on Facebook connected to ISIL as well. Actual act of violence is not really a big criteria.

[Iskar]

Would you mind supplying the evidence for HDP representatives doing and saying the analoga of what you used in your example of the American senator?

[Odenat]

Here is the video of the leader of HDP saying exactly; "We are supported by PYD/YPG, we are supported by Kobani." Of course it is in Turkish as she speaks in Turkish.

http://www.sabah.com.tr/gundem/2015/...kalibi-bulundu

Here's the other leader of HDP calling Turkey to a ceasefire with ISIS; It asks from Turkey to stop the security operations in Turkey! Can you imagine that? Can you imagine an American senator asking US government to a ceasefire with ISIS and stopping anti-terror operations inside USA?

http://www.dw.com/en/turkeys-kurdish...pkk/a-18636579

Here is a HDP MP's tweet saying; "We bow before the memory of PKK warriors!"



And you know, HDP MPs are visiting the funerals of suicide bombers! Here is one photo, unfortunately Al-Jazeera article is in Turkish. Now, imagine an US senator visiting the funeral of an ISIS bomber!

http://www.aljazeera.com.tr/haber/hd...in-cenazesinde

[DaVinci]

Here is the video of the leader of HDP saying exactly; "We are supported by PYD/YPG, we are supported by Kobani." Of course it is in Turkish as she speaks in Turkish.

http://www.sabah.com.tr/gundem/2015/...kalibi-bulundu

Here's the other leader of HDP calling Turkey to a ceasefire with ISIS; It asks from Turkey to stop the security operations in Turkey! Can you imagine that? Can you imagine an American senator asking US government to a ceasefire with ISIS and stopping anti-terror operations inside USA?

http://www.dw.com/en/turkeys-kurdish...pkk/a-18636579

Here is a HDP MP's tweet saying; "We bow before the memory of PKK warriors!"



And you know, HDP MPs are visiting the funerals of suicide bombers! Here is one photo, unfortunately Al-Jazeera article is in Turkish. Now, imagine an US senator visiting the funeral of an ISIS bomber!

http://www.aljazeera.com.tr/haber/hd...in-cenazesinde

Well, he just mirrors the government he so greatly admires.

Look, he outright lies with his own provided source in his interpretation above: "Here's the other leader of HDP calling Turkey to a ceasefire with ISIS", where his source says even in the headline "Turkey's Kurdish leader Demirtas calls for ceasefire with PKK".

There is no doubt, Turkey is long (for quite some years now) on the way into a fascist dictatorship, and just many of the fascist Turks like it.

[Odenat]

Well, he just mirrors the government he so greatly admires.

Look, he outright lies with his own provided source in his interpretation above: "Here's the other leader of HDP calling Turkey to a ceasefire with ISIS", where his source says even in the headline "Turkey's Kurdish leader Demirtas calls for ceasefire with PKK".

There is no doubt, Turkey is long (for quite some years now) on the way into a fascist dictatorship, and just many of the fascist Turks like it.

Uhm,i'm sorry, i mean leader of HDP calling Turkey with a ceasefire with PKK. As i said, he requests from Turkey to stop security operations.

Now,tell me, can the muslims at Germany create a political party supporting ISIS, recruiting for them and collecting money? Will German laws allow it? If not, is Germany a fascist dictatorship?

[DaVinci]

Uhm,i'm sorry, i mean leader of HDP calling Turkey with a ceasefire with PKK. As i said, he requests from Turkey to stop security operations.

Now,tell me, can the muslims at Germany create a political party supporting ISIS, recruiting for them and collecting money? Will German laws allow it? If not, is Germany a fascist dictatorship?

Complete nonsensical equation.

Does the PKK support the IS now?

And/or you honestly compare the PKK and the IS 1:1?

Your question should be rather like: Does German government allow fe. a Bavarian party (which is the CSU) recruiting and collecting money for a militant Bavarian independance group? Besides, that such a conflict of Bavaria/Germany must be there for ages for a valid comparison, just like it is in Kurdistan/Turkey. As you'll know, the question-aspect makes no sense anymore for Bavaria/Germany.

If you ask for PKK supporters in Germany, if they get jailed and/or persecuted in a way they are in Turkey: No, not that i'm aware of. They have the right to demonstrate their opinions publicly.

Else, Turkey government became/becomes again a fascist dictatorship despite of the incidents of the topic here. Suppressing the politicians of the HDP, an opposition party, is just one other act.

[Odenat]

Complete nonsensical equation.

Does the PKK support the IS now?

And/or you honestly compare the PKK and the IS 1:1?

Of course i compare them! They are both terrorist organizations! Or are you saying that PKK is not a terrorist organization? The only difference between PKK and IS is that IS kill Muslims&Christians while PKK kills Muslims.

So, tell me, killing Muslim civilians does not make an organization terrorist? For you, people only become terrorist if they kill Christians?

And nice try to deflect my question by bringing up Bavarians. Now i ask again; Will the Muslims of Germany be allowed to create an IS supporting party? Will the MPs from that party allowed to join the funerals of suicide bombers? If not, is Germany a dictatorship?

[nhytgbvfeco2]

I'm a bit confused. When is Erdogan's coronation?

[Harith]

I'm a bit confused. When is Erdogan's coronation?

Are you always this late to parties?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[athanaric]

I'm a bit confused. When is Erdogan's coronation?

First, he'll ask the parliament for four years of dictatorial control to get the economy back on track and terrorists off the street. Then he'll seize a Greek island or two, while the Allies are sitting by doing nothing. Then there's gonna be a little pogrom, I'm guessing against Alevis, since Jews are in short supply and targeting the Armenians again would be boring and unoriginal...

[Gigantus]

It would appear this measure of blocking social media in Turkey goes hand in hand with it (source):

Turkey has reportedly restricted access to popular social media websites in a new censorship push.

According to Turkey Blocks, WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube are now on the block list, with either outright bans or connection throttling taking place. While Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are often blocked in the country, the Turkish censorship and internet monitoring group says that WhatsApp and Instagram restrictions have now also been detected.
WhatsApp users in Turkey have complained that the service was failing on Friday, November 4 -- and now we appear to know why.
Turkey Blocks claims this is the first time "nationwide restrictions have been detected on the popular messaging app in recent years." The monitoring service says:

"The shutdown was first detected on national provider TTNet, Turkcell and subsequently on other major ISPs, with users of UyduNet and other smaller providers not yet affected at the time of writing."

Turkey is one of a number of countries which throw up walls to online services for political reasons. It is believed that the latest blocking attempt is due to the overnight detention of members of the pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP), an opposition party to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's leadership.
Detention orders were issued for 15 HDP members of parliament, and 11 in total were found at the party's headquarters in Ankara to detain, Salon reports.

[Love Mountain]

The whole Muslim world is in chaos right now and its only getting worse.

[Tureuki]

Purely about satisfaction and to improve relations with MHP. No, this isn't an example to give about "downfall of democracy" in Turkey because Kurdish political parties were being closed before AKP too. This isnt a solution of course but to be honest you guys would lose your minds if your mps were worshipping the leader of the worst terror group in your country's history and regularly attending funerals of terrorists and stuff. So cut the two faced stance please.