Iowa police officers killed; suspect in custody

[Garbarsardar]

Two Iowa police officers were ambushed and gunned down while sitting in their cars. The suspect now in custody is Scott Michael Greene.

In his last encounter with police, which is documented in that video he posted on youtube, he is placed in custody after causing disturbance in a high-school game by deploying a confederate flag in front of black students. He was issued a trespassing citation for that. One of the officers was fatally shot next to Urbandale High School where the incident took place.

In 2014 he was put on probation:

In that incident, Greene was accused of approaching a man in the parking lot and shined a flashlight in his eyes. Greene, who lived in the apartments, called the man the N-word and told the man “I will kill you, (expletive) kill you,” according to the complaint. Greene pleaded guilty to a lesser harassment charge on June 30, 2014, and was sentenced to one year of probation.

So, do you believe that the rhetoric of violence and racial hatred that is very common in this campaign licenced or inflamed people like the perpetrator?

Said rhetoric was consistent with calls for physical violence, coupled with a divisive logic that targeted "inner cities" and "certain areas" and had racist undertones.

"The audience hit back. That's what we need a little bit more of."

"I'd like to punch him in the face."

"Maybe he should have been roughed up."

"I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will."

"Knock the crap out of them."

"Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."

"I'll beat the crap out of you."

"Part of the problem ... is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore."

Problem solved, Donald. And to answer you query, no you're not doing any of the "fighting" Mr. Trump, because you are a bully and and wimp.

[Roma_Victrix]

RIP to the police officers who were killed.

I'm suddenly reminded of the assassination of policemen in their patrol car in New York City following the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, only that was a case of a crazy black nationalist guy (much like the Dallas shooter) basically lashing out at the police. In this case we have a white Confederate nutter assassinating policemen for whatever reason. His motive doesn't seem very clear so far, but I'm sure we'll have people who've known him coming out and speaking out about this soon. I don't think this Greene guy will say much on the matter; his lawyer will probably tell him to button his lip if he could manage that.

[Heathen Hammer]

How is this political?

[Garbarsardar]

How is this political?

Well, a right-wing racist assassinating police officers because they did not let him fly his confederate flag, looks pretty political to me. Do you want me to draw a picture for you?

[Heathen Hammer]

Well, a right-wing racist assassinating police officers because they did not let him fly his confederate flag, looks pretty political to me. Do you want me to draw a picture for you?

Again, its just a crazy guy doing crazy things. If he wasn't white, this would probably never make it past local news.

[Garbarsardar]

Again, its just a crazy guy doing crazy things.

No he is not crazy:

In a discharge report filed in June 2015 a probation officer wrote that Greene had received a mental health evaluation and “reports to have complied with the medication recommendations.”

If he wasn't white, this would probably never make it past local news.

Really? This killing did make it past the local news and the perpetrator was black.

Any other objections?

[Ludicus]

If he wasn't white, this would probably never make it past local news.

I see, the newspapers are subject to left-wing censorship.
Anyway, in medicine, compliance/adherence describes the degree to which a patient correctly follows medical advice; medications/any kind of treatment eg. therapy sessions.

[Copperknickers II]

I see, the newspapers are subject to left-wing censorship.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-...is-your-media/

In fairness, this freakonomics assessment of 20 of the largest news media suppliers in the USA lists only two (FOX and the Washington Times) as having an overall right-wing lean. And obviously individual left-leaning newspapers are subject to left-wing censorship, they have a liberal editorial line to follow and in some cases a publically confessed political party alignment.

[Phier]

My first thought at seeing who posted the OP was "he must be white".

Ding!

My second thought is "ok and?"

The reason one is local and one is more national is motivation. If he shot those cops because someone was stirring up hatred for them, like say BLM, then its a bit different.

This guy seems to be a "sovereign citizen" type. They are the ones who think you shouldn't have to pay taxes at all, basically everything is against them etc. Some go into a form of paranoid delusion, where they think the government is constantly spying on the as if they matter. Reminds me of people who think they are being gang stalked.

[snuggans]

This guy seems to be a "sovereign citizen" type. They are the ones who think you shouldn't have to pay taxes at all, basically everything is against them etc. Some go into a form of paranoid delusion, where they think the government is constantly spying on the as if they matter.

sounds like Donald Trump and his voting bloc. there is a reason why he's most popular in former Confederate states and why it's those congressmen in particular which would not dare pull their endorsement from him

[BatGoat]

sounds like Donald Trump and his voting bloc. there is a reason why he's most popular in former Confederate states and why it's those congressmen in particular which would not dare pull their endorsement from him

Actually, just sounds like someone caught in their own private world of hatred for authority figures and people of different racial background. Just because you're white and racist doesn't mean you are a Donald Trump supporter, come from the "South", vote Republican, like Hitler, have an obscene fascination with guns. That's kind of like saying if you're black, then you hate all whites, eat fried chicken four times a day, vote Democrat, can dance, and think all cops are pigs.

[Ludicus]

sounds like Donald Trump and his voting bloc.

Talking about it, Greenville, Tuesday night.

[Prodromos]

My first thought at seeing who posted the OP was "he must be white".

Ding!

Indeed. I expected a thread that united TWC in solidarity, but, nope, it's just yet another pointless thread for scoring political points.

[Garbarsardar]

The reason one is local and one is more national is motivation. If he shot those cops because someone was stirring up hatred for them, like say BLM, then its a bit different.

This guy seems to be a "sovereign citizen" type. They are the ones who think you shouldn't have to pay taxes at all, basically everything is against them etc. Some go into a form of paranoid delusion, where they think the government is constantly spying on the as if they matter. .

Yes. Since the perpetrator is not in your "preferred perpetrators category" he must suffer a pathological condition. The fact that his narrative of hatred is fuelled by a very specific ideology, namely right wing white supremacy, is obviously not relevant.

Indeed. I expected a thread that united TWC in solidarity, but, nope, it's just yet another pointless thread for scoring political points.

One can only admire the depth of your argument and the level of your contribution. Do you have to add anything on topic expect butthurt statements? Did the fact that the perpetrator was not black/jewish/communist/muslim/homosexual, affected your level of solidarity? Please, continue.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Garb you should have put up a trigger warning.

[BatGoat]

Well, a right-wing racist assassinating police officers because they did not let him fly his confederate flag, looks pretty political to me. Do you want me to draw a picture for you?

Yes please. Draw a picture of the guy holding the confederate flag. But make sure to give us a trigger warning because you, know... we'd be offended by that and all.

And while you're at it, explain the point in posting this. Are we to mourn the loss of two police officers shot in cold blood, or here to demonise the guy they've arrested for doing it? Did we spend time psychoanalysing the cop killers in Dallas as much as we're going to be doing that in this case?

Very dubious...

[Garbarsardar]

And while you're at it, explain the point in posting this. Are we to mourn the loss of two police officers shot in cold blood, or here to demonise the guy they've arrested for doing it? Did we spend time psychoanalysing the cop killers in Dallas as much as we're going to be doing that in this case?

Very dubious...

It is an incident of a politically motivated crime in the midst of an election cycle characterized by inflammatory rhetoric. Trump by his bigoted statements and all his "inner city" and "certain areas" talking gave licence to a number of right-wing racists to come out of their closets and fanned the fires of extremism.

It is not random that White Nationalists copy his poll-watching ideas nor that his campaign posts ads in neo nazi websites.

These murders are a result of his consistent flirting with a rhetoric of violence and racial hatred.

As for psychoanalysing I leave that to the people who try to show that every right-wing criminal is somehow a pathological case ( Breivik, McVeigh) and that this kind of violence is random.

Also, I edited the OP to make it more clear for you.

[BatGoat]

It is an incident of a politically motivated crime in the midst of an election cycle characterized by inflammatory rhetoric. Trump by his bigoted statements and all his "inner city" and "certain areas" talking gave licence to a number of right-wing racists to come out of their closets and fanned the fires of extremism.

It is not random that White Nationalists copy his poll-watching ideas nor that his campaign posts ads in neo nazi websites.

These murders are a result of his consistent flirting with a rhetoric of violence and racial hatred.

As for psychoanalysing I leave that to the people who try to show that every right-wing criminal is somehow a pathological case ( Breivik, McVeigh) and that this kind of violence is random.

Also, I edited the OP to make it more clear for you.

So, it is just open season on "right-wing terrorists." Ok. I'll leave that in your capable hands then.

[Admiral Piett]

As for psychoanalysing I leave that to the people who try to show that every right-wing criminal is somehow a pathological case ( Breivik, McVeigh) and that this kind of violence is random.

Fair point, they weren't crazy or insane. Those are just labels most simple minded people would slap on people like them because they don't understand how they can justify their actions in any way other than a warped sense of reality. But on the other hand there isn't evidence that right-wing militias or any organization of any kind had any links to individuals such as those. These "right-wing militias" are a convenient boogeyman that are brought up randomly in the press to try and make some comparison of them being more dangerous than Islamic terrorists. But most small time militias aren't associated with the actual thug neo-Nazi types as seen the recent movie Imperium. They are more just gun clubs than anything not secretive radical cells operating underground. Tbh, biker gangs are much more dangerous than militias are.

[Garbarsardar]

Fair point, they weren't crazy or insane. Those are just labels most simple minded people would slap on people like them because they don't understand how they can justify their actions in any way other than a warped sense of reality. But on the other hand there isn't evidence that right-wing militias or any organization of any kind had any links to individuals such as those. These "right-wing militias" are a convenient boogeyman that are brought up randomly in the press to try and make some comparison of them being more dangerous than Islamic terrorists. But most small time militias aren't associated with the actual thug neo-Nazi types as seen the recent movie Imperium. They are more just gun clubs than anything not secretive radical cells operating underground. Tbh, biker gangs are much more dangerous than militias are.

I agree on your views on "right-wing militias", as a sweeping term. Usually the danger comes from people/organizations which are never in the open. The antipathy for right wing militias is partially due to the fact that some people don't like people who like guns and a dose of intellectual aloofness.