Japanese and nazi-chic

[Phier]

The issue isn't if Japan committed some horrible atrocities in WWII (they did), the issue is if we should be overly offended by Japanese youth thinking is fun to dress as Nazi's.

The real problem I'd say is the Nazi's had an awesome sense of style. My suit is Hugo Boss for a reason.

So is it stupid, is it insensitive to people? Yea it is.

Is it going to make things somehow more Nazi like? I doubt it highly, I think the Japanese will go whatever direction in the future without regard to a silly fad.

[Himster]

At the very least, we've had topics where people put up ridiculous Japanese commercials, for example, but in other sections and not named in this way, and kept that nonsense out of the D & D.

Japanese commercials are pretty amazing. Much better than their ing variety shows that are on every channel all day every day.
Lighten up.

Imagine a topic called, "Muslim morons and jihad-chic." Or one poking fun of Hasidic Jews. Either would be immensely offensive, full of the worst stereotypes, and it would become open season and a catch-all topic for ever bigot to come along and say, "And don't forget when they did ____!"

You can make those threads if you want and the titles'll be slightly altered.
It's better to have the bigot come out in the light to be seen, measured and addressed, rather than being feared in the shadows like some indefinite magguffin capable of indefinite mischief.
Nazi-esque censorship you seem to be promoting is more than a little bit disgusting to be honest, far far more disgusting than children dressing in Hugo Boss inspired attire.

The lack of knowledge in Asia about Nazi Germany is rather scary.

Oh please, they are fully aware, they just don't care. Have you seen the size of their standard curriculum? it is ridiculously gigantic. There's little wonder why their suicide rates are so high, and to think people here are insulting them over it. It's pretty sad.

Hugo Boss was on to a good look, that's all that matters.

For this reason, it is different to all other manmade famines and genocides and wars throughout history, and it should be learned by people everywhere in the world.

They learn it: they just don't care about the fact that some hypersensitive westerners get offended over trivialities.

So, we have ignorance,

A hilariously inaccurate over-generalization. Replete with irony that'd make Alanis Morrisette cream her panties.

sexualised teenage girls,

Unlike every other industrialized country on Earth? Right.
You can feel free to keep your puritanical condescension at home, you know, if you want.

a ravenous audience and the entertainment industry.

So: in other words we have nothing except thinly-veiled and uninformed bigotry.

Generally speaking non japanese people are as ignorant about japanese history as they are of ours.

That's not true. Their curriculum is expansive and in depth when it comes to western history. I supervised a few of their end of year exams in April earlier this year, 4 hours, 4 ing hours of non-stop writing and if you've ever seen how complex the Japanese syllabary is: you won't be surprised to learn that buckets of ice-water had to be provided afterwards, not for drinking: but for their hands. At least half of the questions had to do with western early modern periods (from Luther's 96 theses to the battle of Berlin, oddly skipping over WW1). But in their textbooks, most of the history they study is western, because as we all know, most of recorded world history is western history. During Junior high school, a lot of their Japanese history is done in their civics-and-ethics class and Japanese literature class, rather than history class.

Even their school uniforms are western military uniforms, I actually thought the boys uniform was Prussian, (they really look uber German), but actually it's French, while the girls are modeled after the British royal navy.

[fkizz]

A moderator emeritus using Girls und Panzer to non ironically make a serious assessment on Japanese Culture... A tad silly

[Påsan]

Guys, why dont the japanese teach their own ww2 history in class again?

[Harith]

Guys, why dont the japanese teach their own ww2 history in class again?

They ran out of printing paper.

[fkizz]

Losing game to both factions. History is written by the winners, but even winning side Propaganda can't white wash usage of Nuclear Bombs on Civilians. So it's a lose-lose game to enter that area.

[Phier]

Losing game to both factions. History is written by the winners, but even winning side Propaganda can't white wash usage of Nuclear Bombs on Civilians. So it's a lose-lose game to enter that area.

AS a US citizen I feel absolutely no shame or remorse about my country using nuclear weapons in WWII.

Its only through years of distance can we say "oh this was so bad" when in fact it was but a asterisk in the most bloody conflict in human history. We killed more in the firebombing of Tokyo and no one even remembers that.

My grandfather was on transport as part of the invasion force as a US marine in WWII somewhere off Japan when they surrendered. He instead became part of an occupying force. No one stressed over nuclear weapons at the time, even the Japanese high command basically shrugged its shoulders and wanted to fight on. They already wrote the city off assuming it would be bombed.

[fkizz]

My grandfather was on transport as part of the invasion force as a US marine in WWII somewhere off Japan when they surrendered. He instead became part of an occupying force. No one stressed over nuclear weapons at the time, even the Japanese high command basically shrugged its shoulders and wanted to fight on. They already wrote the city off assuming it would be bombed.

Problem is "they" is not a collective entity. The ones who got pulverized by atomic pressure were not the Japanese High Command. That said, it's not a moral game I'm playing.

Well given it's war it naturally tends to get a blind eye from all parties, in hindsight if I was US top brass and was under very high stress over high soldier casualty rate I wouldn't rule out using that "new experimental prototype bomb" the scientists had just designed.

Very easy to calm and coldly analyse rationally war decisions when there is 0 pressure over your head 70 years after.

[RubiconDecision]

I would say that making stereotypical claims against 127 million people and not providing one iota of evidence is the very worst kind of bigoted post. A topic in which apparently anything can be discussed now, for within a few posts we're discussing pedophilia as a universal character trait of the Japanese, not to mention bizarre emasculation observations in the original post, is like the worst of StormFront.

Are we strictly talking about Nazi-chic in a single JPop band or not? If you're saying the Japanese have a fascination with the Nazis, then prove that all Japanese have that fascination. Good luck with such an impossible task.

I know this is going to become a litany of every heinous act that happened within Japanese Imperialism. If THAT is what you wish to discuss instead of this insidious mechanism of attacking some idiotic JPop girl's band, then start THAT topic.

Better yet, create a specific topic detailing one aspect of Japanese Imperialism. What is this a topic on the lack of proper education of WW2 history in Japan, or a topic on the lack of Japanese morality, or a fashion topic, or a topic on antisemitism, or a history topic of WW2, or a topic on atomic weapons, or a topic on art, or a topic on a plethora of sexual issues of the Japanese,etc?

I know, here's the solution, rename the topic, "Let's all pile on 127 million Japanese citizens and criticize everything we can think of because we're pissed they're not like us." Guess what? Since we annhilated 80% of Japanese cities in WW2, chances are pretty high that whoever committed atrocities in Japanese history are DEAD and they are not the ones presently living in Japan.

[fkizz]

I would say that making stereotypical claims against 127 million people and not providing one iota of evidence is the very worst kind of bigoted post.

He depicted Japanese using Girls und Panzer as the sample. Either it is well done trolling, or..

[RubiconDecision]

It's the groveling theory that since that worked in Germany, the Japanese should have done it too after WW2. So since that didn't happen, therefore the Japanese can never ever be accepted even though 71 years have passed. People are upset and must make biannual topics on Japanese Imperialism and are just being more insidious about it by using an attrocious Japanese girl band wearing Nazi attire to then create a new topic.

Get over it. Those girls didn't commit attrocities in Nanking. They are not neo-nazis. They are not trying to spawn a new Japanese Imperialism. Anime characters are not a world-wide threat to the Jews.

[Copperknickers II]

Oh please, they are fully aware, they just don't care. Have you seen the size of their standard curriculum? it is ridiculously gigantic. There's little wonder why their suicide rates are so high, and to think people here are insulting them over it. It's pretty sad.

Some of them are blatantly not aware at all. Besides, since when do children actually bother learning anything on the curriculum except for the exams?

They learn it: they just don't care about the fact that some hypersensitive westerners get offended over trivialities.

If you 'don't care' about the Holocaust then your country's education system is failing humanity profoundly. There will be many more Holocausts, precisely due to this attitude - people think genocide is a 'triviality' because it doesn't affect them. You may not know what it feels like to be a member of a minority which is subject to unchecked killings in less enlightened areas of the world, but I do, and I am very glad I do not live in a country governed by a Nazi ideology, because they would have long ago murdered me and my family. There are many people in the UK today who would be quite happy to be governed by Neo-Nazis, and like Nazi Germany, even those who weren't happy would not intervene and stop in the event of another Holocaust. The Holocaust is not just history, it's the future, the only question is, how many people can we save?

[RubiconDecision]

You mean a wanton hatred of millions of ethnic people might result in atrocities in which huge numbers of civilians might be killed? Hmmm what irony. So you're angry the Japanese aren't getting enough Holocaust groveling in, but then ignore whatever they suffered during the same period with war crimes. Weird.

So it's fine to create a topic like this that stereotypes the Japanese as having attributes across MILLIONS of its citizenry, which isn't the same as Nazi propaganda about the Jews???

[Garbarsardar]

A hilariously inaccurate over-generalization. Replete with irony that'd make Alanis Morrisette cream her panties.

No, a very specific accusation, and I would like to draw your attention to the comfort women issue. Of course you can say that I am hypersensitive to mass rape, forced sexual labour and violence. I am. Also, stop thinking about Alanis' pants, it's bad for you, you'll never get there probably.

Unlike every other industrialized country on Earth? Right.

Yes Very much unlike.

Maybe it has to do with child pornography being finally outlawed in 2014?
Maybe it has to do that this law is still fine with sexual abuse of children? Freedom of speech, right?
Maybe it has to do with underage sex work connotations? The new "comfort women"?
Maybe because the sexualisation of teens is at an unprecedented level?
Maybe it has to do with otaku (obsessive love) for neotenic girls with wide bambiesque eyes?

Guys, why dont the japanese teach their own ww2 history in class again?

Yes a version of. Many events, are reduced to footnotes. Of course there is lots to be said about how history is taught everywhere and why the interminable succession of dates, battles, incidents and leaders make it repulsive for most students. This is not a Japanese problem, only. On the other hand the official imposition of silence on specific events that would paint Japan in an unfavourable shade (as opposed to German history books about WW2, for example) contributes to the level of ignorance.

[Copperknickers II]

You mean a wanton hatred of millions of ethnic people might result in atrocities in which huge numbers of civilians might be killed? Hmmm what irony. So you're angry the Japanese aren't getting enough Holocaust groveling in, but then ignore whatever they suffered during the same period with war crimes. Weird.

Right. And if American schoolchildren were dressing up as WW2 era USAF pilots and having parties where they dressed up their dogs as nuclear bombs, you can bet the Japanese wouldn't be very happy about it.

So it's fine to create a topic like this that stereotypes the Japanese as having attributes across MILLIONS of its citizenry, which isn't the same as Nazi propaganda about the Jews???

I can't actually believe you are comparing this thread with Nazi propaganda. What is worse, calling somebody ignorant and saying they need to be better educated, or calling somebody an inferior subhuman who eats children and saying that they need to be wiped from the face of the earth?

[RubiconDecision]

So this is just too much. Now the Japanese are responsible for the Holocaust AND we're not talking about the JPop band and Nazi-chic, but it's a Comfort Women topic as well!

There is NOTHING specific about this topic. It's one new accusation after the other. It is precisely as I predicted.

[Himster]

Some of them are blatantly not aware at all. Besides, since when do children actually bother learning anything on the curriculum except for the exams?

Have you never met a Japanese child?

If you 'don't care' about the Holocaust then your country's education system is failing humanity profoundly. There will be many more Holocausts, precisely due to this attitude - people think genocide is a 'triviality' because it doesn't affect them. You may not know what it feels like to be a member of a minority which is subject to unchecked killings in less enlightened areas of the world, but I do, and I am very glad I do not live in a country governed by a Nazi ideology, because they would have long ago murdered me and my family. There are many people in the UK today who would be quite happy to be governed by Neo-Nazis, and like Nazi Germany, even those who weren't happy would not intervene and stop in the event of another Holocaust. The Holocaust is not just history, it's the future, the only question is, how many people can we save?

If you think Hugo Boss' designs caused the Holocaust: then you are under a grave misapprehension. What's worse is the evident popularity of this (frankly insane) misapprehension as seen in this thread and in popular western media in general.
Correlation does not equal causation: this is rationality and logic 101. Literally the most basic thing anyone should know before they start learning anything.

...........and people here are calling the Japanese "ignorant" people: Jesus ing Christ.

[fkizz]

Of course you can say that I am hypersensitive to mass rape, forced sexual labour and violence.

Not at all. I have heard from you nothing so far about Stalin allowing mass rape on at least German women in USSR occupied area.

Actually Red Army troops even raped Russian and Polish women after freeing them from Nazi Germany camps, but for some purely misterious reason you make 0 mention of this, in a WWII thread.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rom-camps.html
So of course sexual conduct isn't your concern, or if it is, you're not explaining yourself well.

Maybe it has to do with child pornography being finally outlawed in 2014?
Maybe it has to do that this law is still fine with sexual abuse of children? Freedom of speech, right?
Maybe it has to do with underage sex work connotations? The new "comfort women"?
Maybe because the sexualisation of teens is at an unprecedented level?

I'm no Attorney, but given your posting history in this very thread, you make a very very skewed reading on sexuality related issues, always giving the upper hand to Marxist point of view, so I'd wager you're presenting facts in a facetious way. Maybe from someone more impartial I could give this some importance, but your bias is too strong since OP.
Assuming you're not pulling a trolling thread of course.

And given males typically died before their 20s (lucky, in late 30s), to avoid a thing called Human Extinction, it wasn't uncommon in past ages for teens to be married or pregnant at 15-16 years old and males married at 19-20 years old. (if not younger for both of them). Or due to necessity, for a 16 year old be considered an adult. Even Clausewitz participated in his first siege battle at 13 years old! Despite being an acclaimed intellectual, he was a child soldier. The amount of Child Soldiers under Admiral Horatio Nelson command in British Navy at Trafalgar battle is only decently verifiable if one visits Trafalgar graveyard in Gibraltar.
Old times were rough.

It's this thing called Biology and Genetics that constantly defies leftist gender ideology. People typically living until their 70s-80s as an average is a fairly modern thing.

Maybe it has to do with otaku (obsessive love) for neotenic girls with wide bambiesque eyes?

So you're part of the crowd who gets triggered by smug anime girls? Explains 98% of the thread

Yes a version of. Many events, are reduced to footnotes. Of course there is lots to be said about how history is taught everywhere and why the interminable succession of dates, battles, incidents and leaders make it repulsive for most students. This is not a Japanese problem, only. On the other hand the official imposition of silence on specific events that would paint Japan in an unfavourable shade (as opposed to German history books about WW2, for example) contributes to the level of ignorance.

Well when USSR mass rapes and Holodomor (which appear to not bother you) are given due importance in WWII history books, (many times not even mentioned as footnotes due to cultural police), maybe something can change. Don't forget only until recently was Katyin massacre admited to have been done by USSR instead of the Nazis.
Until then, what you call ignorance, I call "lack of ideological indoctrination".

Maybe because the sexualisation of teens is at an unprecedented level?

As I explained before and you ignored, women wearing skirts not only was inspired on West, but even Fascist Right Wing regimes encouraged if not forced women to wear skirts, not for whatever fetishistic reason a certain person might be having, but because it works as order, to make it clear that female is female and male is male.
The left trying to play as guardians of puritan sexuality convinces no one.

[Garbarsardar]

Not at all. I have heard from you nothing so far about Stalin allowing mass rape on at least German women in USSR occupied area.

Actually Red Army troops even raped Russian and Polish women after freeing them from Nazi Germany camps, but for some purely misterious reason you make 0 mention of this, in a WWII thread.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rom-camps.html
So of course sexual conduct isn't your concern, or if it is, you're not explaining yourself well.

I'm no Attorney, but given your posting history in this very thread, you make a very very skewed reading on sexuality related issues, always giving the upper hand to Communistic factions, so I'd wager you're presenting facts in a facetious way. Maybe from someone more impartial I could give this some importance, but your bias is too strong since OP.
Assuming you're not pulling a trolling thread of course.

And given males typically died before their 20s (lucky, in late 30s), to avoid a thing called Human Extinction, it wasn't uncommon in past ages for teens to be married or pregnant at 15-16 years old and males married at 19-20 years old. (if not younger for both of them). Or due to necessity, for a 16 year old be considered an adult. Even Clausewitz participated in his first siege battle at 13 years old! Despite being an acclaimed intellectual, he was a child soldier. The amount of Child Soldiers under Admiral Horatio Nelson command in British Navy at Trafalgar battle is only decently verifiable if one visits Trafalgar graveyard in Gibraltar.
Old times were rough.

Well when USSR mass rapes and Holodomor are given due importance in WWII history books, (many times not even mentioned as footnotes due to cultural police), maybe something can change. Don't forget only until recently was Katyin massacre admited to have been done by USSR instead of the Nazis.

Until then, what you call ignorance, I call "lack of ideological indoctrination".

Makes sense.

Except it is not a WW2 thread, it is a thread about a particular cultural trend, in which WW2 was mentioned only in the sense of highlighting historical ignorance. If the pop group was dressed as Stalin youth or something maybe there would be a point to discuss ignorance about crimes of the Stalin regime. I understand you are triggered every time you see the world nazi, and you want to go on an "evil communism" tirade, but this is not the case for you.

[fkizz]

Except it is not a WW2 thread[...]in which WW2 was mentioned only in the sense of highlighting historical ignorance.

Which you made as the topic of importance for the thread due to "ignorance on WWII history". You're destroying your own points by yourself.

If the pop group was dressed as Stalin youth or something maybe there would be a point to discuss ignorance about crimes of the Stalin regime.

Actually, the image from the anime you posted to make your point does have Stalin singing schoolgirls, so your into something embarassing. Lyin' in the posts again? Or just bad research?

I understand you are triggered every time you see the world nazi

No, in fact I've consumed for entertainment purposes big amounts of media with the word Nazi and paid for it. It was entertaining, not triggering.

, and you want to go on an "evil communism" tirade, but this is not the case for you.

I mean you're doing some good trolling here, changing topic from WWII history lessons, then to anime girls, then to WWII, then OP name gets changed then to Japanese sexuality, then WWII again but mentioning USSR mass rapes so lets change topic again..

Since you went on "History of WWII", and USSR was a major faction in WWII, do you want to play pretend Communism isn't involved in WWII related topics?