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Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Ilkhanate Mongols
Interesting look into Chinese to Mongolian Napht/Gunpowder equipment. I asked for sources: Fire bombs, explosive catapult shells, handguns, etc.
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The poster talks about a lot of reading material. Fuzfuzfuz got some homework to do.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistoria...afety/dad6963/
~Wille
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
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Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Ilkhanate Mongols
You mean Dontfearme?The poster talks about a lot of reading material. Fuzfuzfuz got some homework to do.
~Wille
We already prepared the stats and effects for Grenades, Rockets, and Firelances. What Slytacular still on the fence in creating the models, is:
1. Whether were large-sized rockets used by the Mongols, i.e. something like a Spear-sized rocket, instead of just small fire arrows with a rocket engine strapped on it.
2. Whether multilaunch-box carts that can let loose hundreds of rockets existed before the 1400s
3. If multilaunch-box carts weren't used before the 1400s, then were the rockets still launched in salvoes or not?
These are important, because we need to adjust the explosive yield and number per salvo depending on the size and the launcher model, so its balanced in the game.
Campidoctor
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Yeah I'm relatively familiar with every image you posted. A lot of it is related to the Yuan (attempted) invasion of Japan and the subsequent fustercluck that ensued. The issue I kept running into with Ilkhanate weaponry is that I could find a lot of good sources for Yuan gunpowder weaponry, but the question was whether Hulegu Khan and his successors used the same weaponry. That then slammed right into the ambiguity of contemporary sources which made things even more difficult.Interesting look into Chinese to Mongolian Napht/Gunpowder equipment. I asked for sources: Fire bombs, explosive catapult shells, handguns, etc.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistoria...afety/dad6963/
~Wille
I do think You_Guess_Who is spot-on with those questions and now that i'm really pushing hard to get the Ilkhanates out i'll look quite hard into them. Honestly, my hunch just gathered from being around the period for a bit would say yes to all three, but I want to find confirmation before I start adding Hwacha style engines to Ilkhanate armies.
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Fuzfuzfuz is our Asian correspondent. Scholar, expert and a gentleman on all things east of Persia.
~Wille
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
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Depends if Fuz has read about that part of the world specifically.
Civis
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Armies of Ilkhanate
Allies of Ilkhanate
Praeses
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Where are these from?Armies of Ilkhanate
Allies of Ilkhanate
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
Marx to A.Ruge
Civis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Ilkhanate Mongols
From a Mongolian deviantart user, BurenErdene. His works seem to be historically accurate.
Some of his other works (mixed stuff):
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I really like the illustration
Campidoctor
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Really interesting stuff, and for being just short blurbs a good summary of the different components of Hulegu's army. Nice find!
Filmmaker and Modder
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Alright, deleted a bunch of posts(sorry dontfearme and others caught in the crossfire). Nick, I've told you to stop bringing up the argument. Yes I have seen it, no I'm not convinced the debating warrants keeping the discussion active. This is the 4th time I've warned you man. I only waited this long cause I thought one of the Global Mods were gonna intervene with you since you keep trying to reignite the discussion. I guess lolIsuck got sidetracked. Please, quit while your ahead and let it go.
Alexandros
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Vicarius
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Are the horses getting some remodelling, too, since they look quite different from western ones?
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Alexandros
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Miles
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Just in case you need inspiration for tier 3 Timurid influence and haven't seen these yet:
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Pe..._Khan-1436.htm
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Pe...ma-1445-46.htm
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Pe...t_Damavand.htm
Campidoctor
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I have seen those. Altervista is a incredible resource and without it making progress would have been much harder. Thanks still!
@Pinarius I know about the horses, but its low priority for me until I have the opportunity to exclusively focus on it just because I don't know much about modding horses in general.
Alexandros
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Yesterday I accidently found a book about Persian manuscripts. It also contained diverse manuscripts from post 1300 Il-Khanate. Except of the first two ones, which are from the early 14th century, they are all from 1330 or 1341. They are definetly a valuable first hand source for the Persianized pre-Timurid Mongols.
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I am seriously impressed by some of these. I have seen about 1/3 of them before, but the rest are entirely new to me and I will definitely keep them in mind. Do you have any backing up information on the specific images so I could better categorize them, like more specific dates for each?Yesterday I accidently found a book about Persian manuscripts. It also contained diverse manuscripts from post 1300 Il-Khanate. Except of the first two ones, which are from the early 14th century, they are all from 1330 or 1341. They are definetly a valuable first hand source for the Persianized pre-Timurid Mongols.
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Sadly I don't scanned the date for each manuscript, mostly because I wanted to get the stuff done quickly. However, as said, all black & white manuscripts are either from 1330 or 1341 AD. The first coloured one is from a similiar date, while the second one is from around 1300.
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