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    Default Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    So yesterday, Russia lost the vote for its place in UNHRC for the first time since 2006.
    Granted, Russia has a rather poor history with human rights (from Yeltsin bombarding democratically elected parliament with tanks to give himself dictatorial powers back in October '93, to the infamous article 282 in Russia's criminal code which allows to ban anything or persecute anyone based on an extremely vague definition of "hate speech"), but... Saudi Arabia got re-elected.
    Yes, the country with perhaps worst human rights situation on planet. Country which is the biggest sponsor of radical islamist terrorism all over the world, country which executes gays and non-muslims, which de-facto has legalized rape and is pretty much practicing slavery still got re-elected.
    UN has tried to create some kind of human-rights-protecting body before, and that ended up a failure every time. UNHRC is not an exception, since it is easily being manipulated by questionable regimes to influence its decision in their favor. Its re-election is even more ridiculous, in the light of ongoing humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen, which is caused by severe bombing of civilians targets by Saudi military and Saudi support for terrorist groups within Syria as well.
    So what does it tell us about UNHRC and UN in general? Why is it so easily manipulated by pretty much worst regimes on the planet? Do non-governmental international bodies really fulfill their purpose as mediators in global affairs, or are the just pawns of specific state/interest groups who use them for their own geopolitical goals? Does UN belong in the past together with League of Nations and other international bodies who failed to fulfill the purpose of their existence, or is there still a chance that it could be reformed?

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    Default Re: Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    Neither of them should honestly be on the UN Human Rights Council

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    Default Re: Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    To be honest, neither should anyone outside of Western Europe or Scandinavia... also Canada.

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    Default Re: Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    who elects the countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linke View Post
    who elects the countries?
    The General Assembly, whose resolutions are often cited on this forum as if they carry some sort of moral weight.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Default Re: Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    The UN Human Rights council has always been a joke.

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    To be fair, UN itself has always been a joke. Every "humanitarian intervention" it has ever enforced turned out to be a disaster and it was mostly there to promote agenda of specific states or Western-based financial and interest groups.

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    People who think the Russians run the US election should consider this result. The Saudis have waaaaay to much clout in the US, and the US has waaaay too much clout in the UN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    To be fair, UN itself has always been a joke. Every "humanitarian intervention" it has ever enforced turned out to be a disaster and it was mostly there to promote agenda of specific states or Western-based financial and interest groups.
    You forgot East Timor.

    Otherwise pretty much 100%.
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    Default Re: Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    It's dodgy enough having state actors on the board, much better to have private citizens, although I can think of a way that could be done without state approval.
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    Default Re: Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    Then it's strange saying Russia was "kicked out" imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linke View Post
    Then it's strange saying Russia was "kicked out" imo
    That was to point out that Russia was elected before for pretty much a decade.

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    Dude who cares... And its not even kicked out. They werent elected, not kicked out.

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    It is sad Russia is no longer a beacon of humanity... oh wait it never was.

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    How many 'check marks' on the the People Will Tolerate test is that now? And how many more before people revert back to barbarism? This is very tolerant of everyone. Gold Star.

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    Joke's on them, actually: the "Human Rights" Council, along with the rest of the pathetic UN, will hopefully be kicked out of all the free world's countries soon enough.

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    This council seems like one of those fake companies that are made with the purpose of giving ex-politicians a place to have a comfortable pre-retirement thing to do.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

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    Russia being kicked out of Human Rights Council: positive change

    Saudi Arabia being re-elected: neutral to negative change

    so i think the overall net change is either zero or even slightly positive because while i can understand the hypocrisy of Saudi Arabia being in there, it also expects MORE from Saudi Arabia, which has the possibility of producing change for the better, despite all the hypocrisy

    as for Russia, who gives a crap? lol come on. applaudable decision and probably the only right decision the Council made in all of this ordeal! it does sort of cancel out the negatives of Saudi Arabia being in there

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    Default Re: Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    Re-electing Saudi Arabia just means the human rights council has zero credibility. We're talking about a country that punishes homosexuality by stoning to death ffs.

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    The ''we want a war with Russia'' choir up to the usual tricks. I wouldn't want to be a member of that joke organization anyway, if IS manages to stick around long enough perhaps they can join the HRC? North Korea can join too if they discover oil and allow the US to build some bases

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    Default Re: Russia Kicked Out Of UN Human Rights Council; Saudi Arabia Reelected

    The UN and all worldly governments are cesspools of corruption and vice. They must be swept away and replaced by a better plan.

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