Pirates conquer Iceland

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rty-into-power

A party that favours direct democracy can become the greatest in Iceland. Elections for the parliament are this saturday. They went pretty high in the polls but lost the momentum:


In 2013 they had 3 of the 63 seats. Now they can have 20. But they pollhigh with young people (18-29) 40% but...will these people actualy go out and vote?

The party’s leader and figurehead is Birgitta Jónsdóttir, a 49-year-old feminist MP, poet, artist and former WikiLeaks collaborator. Jónsdóttir says she has no ambition to be prime minister, pointing to the Pirate party’s horizontal structure. Rather, she wants to sweep away what she sees as Iceland’s dysfunctional system.

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In other words, we consider ourselves hackers – so to speak – of our current outdated systems of government.”

Read the whole article. This party seems more mature than its continental counterparts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelan...election,_2016
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/commen...y_leading_the/

So what do you make of it? Will they get into power? Will they fulfill their (r)evolution?
Personaly I think they are going to get only 15 seats. That will put them in a difficult position.

[IrishBlood]

I would love to see them get into power just to see what would happen. It would be an excellent case study.

Iceland would also be the best possible place to test it out considering the small population and high levels of education.

I wish them well and shall eagerly follow their progress!

I am somewhat concerned however with regards to how they will deal with international pressure. I am sure a lot of their policies and ideologies will be at odds with the international community, particularly with regards to banking and the likes of Wikileaks etc.

[Roma_Victrix]

Iceland being a wildcard...I like it. Bold strategy, Iceland. Please, by all means, continue.

[alhoon]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rty-into-power

In 2013 they had 3 of the 63 seats. Now they can have 20.

YEEEEEEEES!


We are winning! Finally the Pirate Party will be an important factor to a place, so we can see our philosophy put to the test! Already I see things I like, that I really, really like. Mainly:
"Jónsdóttir says she has no ambition to be prime minister, pointing to the Pirate party’s horizontal structure. "
"“We do not define ourselves as left or right but rather as a party that focuses on the systems."

I would go out and celebrate... If I could afford it. Thank you! THANK YOU! + rep

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_(Iceland)
" The conditions of Pirates for Iceland's membership to the European Union are that Iceland be exempt from adopting the Data Retention Directive (2006/24/EC – declared invalid by the European Court of Justice in April 2014^[17]) "
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Oh Yes, Oh man, YES! ! !
PLEASE, PLEASE ISLANDERS! Give the Pirate Party a chance!

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

YEEEEEEEES!


We are winning! Finally the Pirate Party will be an important factor to a place
PLEASE, PLEASE ISLANDERS! Give the Pirate Party a chance!

Yeah true they really had a lot to thank for the current government.
Those guys who more or less went guilt free of the Icelandic collapse.

[alhoon]

Link for the historic election, that even if we lose, would put us in the world stage and give us recognition. An (expected) good presence in Iceland would boost the PPI in Greece, so we could, God willing, break 1% in Greece.


http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/elections2016/

[alhoon]

http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/po...ted_and_pirat/

The Iceland's incumbent government is ousted although the Pirate-party's coalition is just short of the required seats to form a government and we need to find more partners. The Pirate Party finished 3rd with ~15% of the vote, just below Greens that got a little more and the independence party that got 29%.
We've got 9 seats in the 63 seat parliament.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

Ah they did even worse than I suspected I thought they wold get 15% (as in the under dots in the last poll) but they recieved slightly less.

I liek these Iceland politics. Will follow.

I assume people went out to vote for the Independence party just because of a leftist scare. (4000+ votes than in 2013)

[conon394]

Hmm my opinion - they seem nice enough although I can't really muster much sympathy for them given from the outside Iceland does not exactly seem beset by ills and awful governance. Their platform seems utopian and has some contradictions and a fair amount of fairy paste - for example health care its going to free and one of the methods for paying that is "increasing value-generation through innovation". Wow they are ready for prime time they already have double speak ready for the parts of their plan that don't add up. I wonder how do they purpose to implement rationing in the system if not by some kind of pricing mechanism?

There big thing on personal privacy seems to be at odds say the fall of the recent PM should his banking have been his own affair?

They seem to assume fair rents on natural resources are going to pay for a lot of stuff... What is with fishing rights. Are they prepared for all potential outcomes of a free auction system? Or is the auction attenuated in some or many ways - I did not see any nuts and bolts write-ups nor any solid reason why the existing system is bad.

In addition I suppose the hacker/hacking thing is I hope a media affectation because if its not its too bad they got any votes at all. But that is simply a personal rant.

In any case mostly harmless in a tiny homogeneous wealthy country with no real external threats.

[alhoon]

Hmm my opinion - they seem nice enough although I can't really muster much sympathy for them given from the outside Iceland does not exactly seem beset by ills and awful governance. Their platform seems utopian and has some contradictions and a fair amount of fairy paste - for example health care its going to free and one of the methods for paying that is "increasing value-generation through innovation". Wow they are ready for prime time they already have double speak ready for the parts of their plan that don't add up. I wonder how do they purpose to implement rationing in the system if not by some kind of pricing mechanism?

There big thing on personal privacy seems to be at odds say the fall of the recent PM should his banking have been his own affair?

They seem to assume fair rents on natural resources are going to pay for a lot of stuff... What is with fishing rights. Are they prepared for all potential outcomes of a free auction system? Or is the auction attenuated in some or many ways - I did not see any nuts and bolts write-ups nor any solid reason why the existing system is bad.

In addition I suppose the hacker/hacking thing is I hope a media affectation because if its not its too bad they got any votes at all. But that is simply a personal rant.

In any case mostly harmless in a tiny homogeneous wealthy country with no real external threats.

First, that we want free healthcare is because we consider it a human right, not privilege of the few and rich. Of course, then reality knocks the door and says "and how are you going to pay for that?" which is where things get complicated. But the goal remains the same.


Second, privacy of personal data has nothing to do with government transparency. I.e. that we really, really don't want apple to track our movements and Microsoft to upload our internet history to their servers and share it with their subsidiary companies without our consent, doesn't mean we condone under-the-table deals. We are all for government transparency and respect of personal data and privacy. And sane copyright laws. I want to buy games, not buy the license to play a game.

[fkizz]

Interesting as it is, it won't make a good case study until they reach #1

[conon394]

First, that we want free healthcare is because we consider it a human right, not privilege of the few and rich. Of course, then reality knocks the door and says "and how are you going to pay for that?" which is where things get complicated. But the goal remains the same.

Look I'll grant I'm not up on the day to day politics in Iceland but I am having difficulty seeing how this is an issue in Iceland. Wiki seems relatively trustworthy in this as it is mostly just a parrot for OECD and related European reporting. As such Iceland would look to have universal health, almost completely paid for by the state and in general mostly the best or very close to the best health outcomes in Europe. Without any context I having about the same difficulty (typing as a liberal and progressive American) understanding the outrage as somebody would listening to the complaints of a person with a paper cut while having a severed limb...

So please make the case Iceland has glaring deficiencies in its provision of health care, or the fairness of how it is administered.

Second, privacy of personal data has nothing to do with government transparency.

Well it sort of does since for example the kind of privacy you desire would necessitate that the ex-PM would not

I.e. that we really, really don't want apple to track our movements and Microsoft to upload our internet history to their servers and share it with their subsidiary companies without our consent

I suppose, but than you will end up paying in some other way that's fair I suppose but many people balk at up front prices. In any case I'm not sure I see things so clear cut it terms of expectation of privacy or that in many cases you usually do have the ability to agree or disagree to said policies.

We are all for government transparency and respect of personal data and privacy. And sane copyright laws. I want to buy games, not buy the license to play a game.

What makes policy sane or insane. Let's say in particular how do you see the difference between purchase and license for example.

[alhoon]

Look I grant I'm not up on the day to day politics in Iceland but I having difficulty seeing how this is an issue in Iceland.

I'm talking about PPI in general, not the Iceland one. It has the same goals as every affiliated Pirate Party, and government transparency, universal healthcare and privacy protection are at the core of their party, as they are of mine (Pirate Party of Greece).

Well it sort of does since for example the kind of privacy you desire would necessitate that the ex-PM would not

Would not what?

Anyway, Government transparency means that I can see how much money the government paid to X contractor, how much the others offered etc. So if there are bribes involved it would be easier to spot.
I want that Prime Minister's personal privacy protected; i.e. he should have the right to keep say... what school his kids go at secret. Where he had lunch. Where he goes for vacation. What books he likes. His medical records. All these should in my opinion be protected.
On the other hand, I want the guys that examine his finances to make sure there is no corruption, to be open. "We examined his finances and we found no discrepancy" over and over and over. Don't tell me his finances. Don't tell me if he had won 1M$ in the casino and lost 2M$ in stock market out of his pocket. Just let me know his finances are legit.
Oh, and those accountants? If they start singing about his personal finances (i.e. saying he won 1M$ in the casino) should face penalties.

That kind of thing. And the understanding from him that since he runs for political office, he has to surrender part of his privacy and business dealings. I don't have a problem with Microsoft asking me "Do you want to be tracked?" I have a problem with Microsoft tracking me without me agreeing to it.

I suppose, but than you will end up paying in some other way that's fair I suppose but many people balk at up front prices. In any case I'm not sure I see things so clear cut it terms of expectation of privacy or that in many cases you usually do have the ability to agree or disagree to said policies.

My rights to privacy trumps Microsoft's right to more profits.
And no, they use shady methods to get agreements or you have to be aware of it to go and stop it. I installed Windows 10. As a privacy-concerned individual I check the settings.
And I discover to my horror that Microsoft had activated a system that tracks my frequent location from my current IP, to make a triangular area of my usual locations. They had my home in Chania, my home in Athens and a place I went for vacations already stored. I never gave Microsoft the right to make a triangle with the area I live. I don't want Microsoft to know what Area I move around into.

Another example is with google. If you don't log out of your google account, google tracks (and tells you so) what you search for. A friend was googling for her trip to China. She also used her gmail account when buying the ticket.
Google sent her a freaking email on "there are X good hotels that offer discount, in the time you would be in Beijing, this is the closest to the airport". Without her ever asking about it. Google had tracked her movement and knows when she will be where, and the airport company shared her information with google.

When you use your gmail account in youtube? Google tracks to see what you like.

Facebook, until recently, allowed people to tag me in their pictures saying where I was and with whom without my consent.

Microsoft's windows 10? They ask you how invasive you want the "Advertisement profile" they make of you, your KGB folder so to speak, to be. And you can't deactivate it, just turn it to basic which means that Microsoft will share just a bit info about you with their subsidiaries. And they warn you that the ads you'd get will not be tailored to you and your preferences very well.

My father was sending a couple of emails about the Azores, and had the word vacation in them. After the second such email, Google started putting to his profile offers for cheaper tickets to the Azores and Hotel offers.



I am not OK with these. There's been too much blood and lives lost for the government to not have the power to track me, flag me and hold a folder on me and my preferences. I'm not going to surrender this to the multinationals just in order to have a smartphone. I use a mobile from 2001. Not a smartphone. Screw the pictures.

What makes policy sane or insane. Let's say in particular how do you see the difference between purchase and license for example.

Let me give you another example, closer to home for me:
I published a paper in a scientific journal. Such journals request a payment to allow you the privilege to publish, and the also request payment for people accessing the paper, but let's leave that shady practice aside.
When I tried to access my paper, they told me that no, I have to buy it. I have to buy the right to use the paper I paid them to get. My own work.

That is insane.


Another example: Until the victory in EU spearheaded by the PPI, journal articles that have not been digitized and they were out of published (paper) circulation were unavailable legally. Did you want to use in your research parts of the research done in some fields in the late 60s? You either had to pay obscene amounts of money for the journal to have the work digitized (I.e scanned) and sell it to you or you had to use it illegally.

The EU voted that the right of people to knowledge is greater than the right of IEEE to profit, so it will soon be legal to use scanned documents of scientific work that is no longer for sale. We're talking about 50 years old articles that are no longer for sale, you're not cutting in the profits of IEEE, they are just dicks that want you to jump through their hoops.

[GrumpyPirate]

Yarr, i be supporting these winds!

[Col. Tartleton]

Anarchy on the Island.

[Sir Adrian]

Can Reykjavik be renamed to Port Royal?

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-ice...n-2016-11?IR=T

The Independence Party won 21 seats in last month's general election, making it the largest party. The Reform Party - which was founded earlier this year - won seven seats and the Bright Future four, giving the three parties a bare majority in the 63-seat house.

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