Basileia Rhomaion Tier 1 Naval Units

[Visarion]

Please delete

[HannibalExMachina]

me, this is dope

[Visarion]

@You_Guess_Who

Do you mind if I post some pictures of Byzantines in general here as it is a related thread!? The thing is that a post is limited at 100 images and I have found many more evidence regarding Byzantines and their successors including Bulgarians, Serbians and Wallachians who were de facto heirs of the Roman Empire as my workthreads seem to have been "confiscated". I myself am the remnant of the Basileia ton Rhomaion sustainers and revolutionists from Odessa and Crimea, leaving from Macedon in the XVIII century, when Catherine the Great of Russia defeated the Tartars, members of the Sacred Band of Alexandros Ypsilantis and my native language is Romaic or Romayka. We call it Riuimeica. Ty in advance!

[You_Guess_Who]

Only, and only if having to do with the navy, or marines, or the people/place where marines hails from. More important than illustrations are information about their formation, their organisation, and terminologies.

Rather than Byzantines in general, I accept more illustrations of seamen of other realms that might use Byzantine-pattern ships. So, no general Rhomaioi dumping here, but general seamen image dumping are acceptable. I'd rather get more info about whatever brown-water navy The Rus, Bulgaria, Wallachia, or Moldavia might have than more landlubber Byzantines.

[Visarion]

Only, and only if having to do with the navy, or marines, or the people/place where marines hails from. More important than illustrations are information about their formation, their organisation, and terminologies.

Rather than Byzantines in general, I accept more illustrations of seamen of other realms that might use Byzantine-pattern ships. So, no general Rhomaioi dumping here, but general seamen image dumping are acceptable. I'd rather get more info about whatever brown-water navy The Rus, Bulgaria, Wallachia, or Moldavia might have than more landlubber Byzantines.

Well from what I know Wallachians held Kilia and were allies of Hungarians and Venetians against the Ottomans. Venetians thanked Vlad III "The Impaler" Dracula for his campaign in Bulgaria with more than 30,000 victims and the cancelling of the invasion of 300 Ottoman ships in Caffa. They also traded with the Genoans and Pecheneg and Cumano-Bulgar Asen rulers of Bulgarian Dobrudja who were pirates but still offered the Venetians and Genoans harbours. I am not aware of them beign involved in sea wars directly but they had Danube and river ports and permanent sailers. By having Kilia though they must have had ships on the sea as well but that's a guess. Anyway Wallachians were involved indirectly through Bulgarians of the Despotate of Dobrudja, Venetians and Genoans and so were the Hungarians. They ruled together Kilia and offered safe passage to the Saxon merchants of Hermannstadt to the Danube port of Braila and the Black Sea. Another important port was Vicina in Dobrudja, an island in present day Macin or Isaccea near Tulcea city. Keep in mind that the Danube is navigable even today by pretty large ships and many ships were found in our days sunked in the Danube. They held larger parts of Dobrudja, Podunavia and Dristor, Durostorum or Silistra port to the Danube in Bulgarian land, south of the Danube during Mircea the Elder. Because of Kilia, important port between Caffa and Constantinople together with Bilgorod and Karvuna and the possesion of Podunavia, Dobrudja proper during Mircea the Elder they can be given a navy. Also even if Silistra and Braila were Danube ports they were important nonetheless together with Belgrade and Buda of the Hungarians but especially Belgrade. Theodoro was important too but somewhat left in shadow because of the IItalians who became hegemons. They held Kilia untill Stephen the Great took it and faced the revange of the Hungarians, suzerains of the Wallachians. Venetians had secondary ports near Kilia and Dobrudja proper of Dobrotitsa and his son Ivanko, Bulgaro-Cuman rulers of the Despotate of Karvuna.

Moldavians held both Kilia and Akkerman/Bilgorod/Mavrokastron/Olbia/Cetatea Alba. The Hungarians after almost a century of fighting the Tartars in Moldavia that devastated Transylvania and invaded and sacked Hungary in 1285, and together with the Voivode of Maramaros, Voivode of Transylvania and Count of Szekelys struggled to create a mark in northern Moldavia and moved the war theatre from Transylvania and land of the Szeklers and Saxons in Moldavia. They took Bilgorod in about 1350 from the Venetians who held it since 1315, taken from the Tartars and later went to the Moldavians led by the Voivode of Maramaros who broke away from their Hungarian suzerains in about 1363. Stephen the Great took Kilia in about 1460 from Wallachians and Hungarians and faced the wrath of the Hungarians in 1468 but managed to defeat them and drive them away from his invaded lands. They were involved in wars on the sea against the Ottomans and sent 50 ships and 300 guard elite archers to help defend Theodoro, their allies and relatives against a Ottoman invasion during Stephen the Great. Moldavians also had a great port and citadel on the Dniester called Bender and meaning "port" in Steppe Turkic. Probably important since the Cumans, allies of Moldavians held it. From Cumans went to the Tartars, new allies and masters of the Moldavians. Bender communicated with Bilgorod who was at the estuary of the Dniester forming a golf at the Black Sea. Bilgorod and Kilia were both ports and strong citadels. Bilgorod had a port on both the Dniester, in the golf and the Black Sea shores similar to the ancient Olbia of the Tauri.

Kievans invaded Asia Minor by ships while the Romans were busy with the Arabs and crucified the Byzantine citizens practicing bow shooting on them so that to force Byzantines trading with them again after they stopped doing so, as to show what threat they pose. Byzantines intercepted the Kievans however and used the Greek Fire against them with geat succes, many Kievans drowning due to heavy armor when they abandoned the burning ships. Still Byzantines started to trade with them once more even if it was not in their favour because indeed they were a threat nonetheless and any campain was in danger of beign cancelled because of their piracy. Other times Kievans invaded Dobrudja of the Bulgarians at the invitation of the Byzantines and then refused to withdraw. Kievans had ports on both Dnieper and Don and in Tmutarakan, old Cimmerian Bosporus. On the Dnieper Oleshie, meaning "forrest" in Old Slavic and held by Slavs since before Christ and Sarkel on Don. Volga was controlled by the Volga Bulgarians allies of Ryazan but earlier on the Viking Varangians navigated that river as well. Still later on Suzdal burnt to the ground Ryazan and extracted tribute from Volga Bulgarians so they can be thus involved in the Caspian Sea as well in our timeframe. From time to time they held control over the Dniester too, subjugating the Moldavians but together with Cumans, Hungarians and later Tartars, the Moldavians counteratacked and burned the citadel of Halych and surrounding Villages. The Vlach Bolokhoveni had citadels between Dniester and the Dnieper and together with the Tauri remnants, the Bordini and Galician rebels, the Berladniks sacked the Kievan ports of Dniester and Don. Because rule over Bosporus was hard they abandoned it to the Tartars. They even had troubles controlling the distant river ports, which were in fact fortified marks. Sarkel was build by Byzantines for their Khazarian allies and later taken over by the Rus who used it to reach the Black Sea, Volga and the Caspian Sea and hired Pecheneg mercenaries as guards. Later Kypchaks held it until the Khanate of Astrakhan emerged and the Nogais. Sarkel was called by Byzantines Asprokastron while Bilgorod - Mavrokastron.

Bulgarians had troubles with the Savoiards, allies of the Byzantines who occupied a couple of Bulgarian ports to force the Tsar to give safe passage to the Byzantine Emperor when returning from Hungary, that and a large sum of money used to buy the alliance of Wallachians and Dobrudjans against Hungary and free the Knyaz of Vidin. Later Wallachians, Dobrudjans of the Despotate of Karvuna and Vidin allied against Tarnovo. The Wallachian Voivode and the ruler of Vidin were relatives and both the Wallachians and Dobrudjans considered the Knyaz of Vidin the rightfull heir of the Bulgarian Tsardom as his father divorced the mother of the Knyaz of Vidin of Basarabid origin and gave the throne to a younger son with another wife. Bulgarians of Tarnovo then lost influence in the Black Sea because Karvuna abandoned them. Karvuna was a pirate bay but still had skillfull sailers and were allies of Genoans, Venetians, Wallachians and Hungarians.

[Visarion]

I see ty...

[Visarion]

Kievans should be given from the very start Bilgorod as they were important early actors in both the Black Sea and the Caspian. That or inserting a new Dniester province with the old Slavic capital of Oleshie, future capital of the Zaporozhians.

[Styl2000]

what unit is in siphon celandion?

[You_Guess_Who]

Tzakones Guard

[Visarion]

Alongside Tsakoniabs Maniots were great sailers in the Byzantine Empire. You can search for the church of Mani to see some amazing wall paintings if you need inspiration. Also Cypriots. Later when Ottomans captured Constantinople in 1453, in about 1750 Cypriots, Maniots, Fanariots and Pontians started migrating in Odessa and Crimea. One of the flag of Alexandros Ypsilantis was the pirate flag of the Maniots. In Greece that is the place where the riot started while Filiki Eteria proper acted in Romania. Alongside them Epirotes from Ioanina were the most members of Filiki Eteria. They left Greece by ships provided by the Russians but their own as well.

[Visarion]

@ You Guess Who

http://www.academia.edu/12021318/Gaz..._and_equipment

[Visarion]

I added some more details about the Byz roster including the navy, own and allied/merc if you are interested...

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...-fallow)/page2

[Jojin]

I'm terrible at naval battles, but these look amazing.

[Visarion]

Great units here!

[izzi]

Could someone explain to me, how you have implemented the custom ships in to the game? I am trying something similar, but it looks like there is something I am doing wrong. For example, I am trying to port the ships of ETW/NTW in to STW2 (FOTS). But the first test I did really messed up the game and crashes. Especially the 3d part of the game is important, because as you all well know, the ETW/NTW parts are all in one file (rigid_naval), while the STW2 files are all small parts (rigid_models_V2). Any info is appreciated. Thanks.