PTF: provincial titles’ fix for SSHIP 0.9.2 (included in 097+)

[Jurand of Cracow]

PTF: provincial titles’ fix for SSHIP 0.9.2
Please note that the version 2 of this submod is included in the SSHIP 0.9.6. In particular, the further changes (67 provinces fixed) are not compatible with 092, only with the new version. Obviously, it's better to play the recent versions.

There's also a new thread on PT's in 0.96, 0.97, 0.98 here.

As many players noticed, the provincial titles’ in the SSHIP need revamping. I’v played the game a bit and I can tell 7 types of errors in the current version:

• For some settlements the titles do not exist at all (eg. Goroden title doesn't exist since the SS6.4 title is given now to Volodymyr – it means new title (with the relevant file and the entries) is needed).
• The titles of some provinces cannot be acquired because the SSHIP changed the names of the settlements (eg. “Duke of Vilnius” requires a general to be in Vilnius, but in the game there’s Kernave, no Vilnius).
• The in-game names of the titles are not historical for many factions (“Duke of …” for the Polish provinces).
• The descriptions of the benefits are misleading, telling different benefits of the titles that they’re in-game (eg. description of the Kraków says {Tax Collection +5%, increased loyalty, inspiration to his troops, increased authority} whereas in reality it gives {5%Tax, 5%Trade, 1Loyalty, 1Authority, 1popularity}).
• The descriptions are not related to history, they don’t create flavor of a historical game (Entitled as Lord of Turku, a good place to establish a kingdom...)
• Sometimes there’re funny things in the descriptions (the description of Tbilisi title: it claims that the duke “seeks independence” while the title gives +1Loyalty).
• The visual depictions of the titles are not always in line with what they should be, many are ahistorical (from 16-19^th century or so), and many coat of arms are just blurry pics of something you cannot say what’s that (eg. Turku, Smolensk, Twangste etc., for blurry pics: Zara or Reval).

The problems are numerous, but not serious. You can play the game and enjoy it without paying attention to them. I play M2TW for the gameplay, and the balance between money, costs of troops, diplomacy and AI behavior is in th SSHIP the is best of any mod I'd played. But I also play for the immersion and historicity – and SSHIP is equally good, with some minor issues, as for instance the provincial titles.
Since I do optimize my playing and I would like to know if a title gives 10% Tax or 1 Law in the (in-game) reality, the titles are even more important. Therefore I’ve started to solve these problems on my own for my own – this is what this submod is about: fix of the titles’ issues. Given that I've played Poland, I’ve looked through the files and revamped the Polish titles, and also Lithuanian, Ruthenian and Hungarian ones. I came out with a set of principles for the provincial benefits. I would like to share it with you, they may be useful in future – it’s below in the next entry.

On the basis of those principles, I made many changes to the two relevant files, and created new pics where it was needed.

To be specific, I’ve made changes made concerning:

• the benefits in EDA (export_desc_ancillaries.txt)
• the descriptions of the titles/settlements/provinces in EA (export_ancillaries.txt)
• the related descriptions of the benefits in EA (export_ancillaries.txt)

for the following 30 settlements: Lubeck, Stettin, Wroclaw, Poznań, Gdańsk, Krakow, Plock, Twangste, Vilnius, Riga, Kolyvan, Turku, Polock, Pskov, Novgorod, Volodymyr, Halych, Turow, Kiev, Pereyaslav, Chernigov, Smolensk, Suzdal, Turov, Esztergom, Szekesfehervar, Varad, Gyulafehervar, Zagreb, Zara.
I’ve also created a title for Goroden (through modification the existing entry for non-existing Kaunas).

I’ve changed pictures (in the directory data/ui/ancillaries)

• Erroneous or bad quality pictures replacement for: Vilnius-Kernave (well, I don’t think the CoA of Kernave existed in 12^th century), Twangste (with 14^th c. CoA of Konigsberg), Kolyvan-Reval (three lions appeared in the 13c. and they’re traditional), Turku, Novgorod, Smolensk (well, replacement is for sure not perfect, since it’s a gun, so even if it’s traditional, it’s a later tradition, I'd like to change it in future), Suzdal, Pereyaslav, Esztergom, Varad, Szekesfehervar, Rostov.
• Slightly better quality pics for Volodymyr, Lubeck, Turov.
• good pictures for cities replaced with the pictures right for whole provinces: Wroclaw and Poznan.

Smaller fixes:

• changed the names of the titles in EA for the six Polish provinces (Stettin, Wroclaw, Poznań, Gdańsk, Krakow, Plock) into “Comes …” – see entry below.
• removed unused descriptions of Konigsberg from EA.
• changed names in EA to adjust it to the map: Volodimir into Volodymyr, and Rustov into Rostov.
• Put right reference in EDA in the triggers for acquiring the Kernave title (), change of the name of the title in EA accordingly.

Version 2 changes:

• simplified descriptions for Law and Popularity
• fixed issues with descriptions for Comes Masoviae, Polonia Maior, Castellanus Cracoviensis, Novgorod
• new names for the Hungarian, Balticum and Ruthenian titles according to the description in this post;
• new pics: Smolensk (bear instead of a gun), Goroden and Halych (better quality),
• not related to the provincial titles, but I use them so I share them: new pics for some ancillaries: Architect, Crown of Poland, Intrepid Explorer, Mercenary Captain, Librarian, Master Smith, Mathematician, Book of 1001 Nights, Shield Bearer, Tax Farmer, Master of Horse, Tutor, Warrior Berseker.

Keep in mind that there're agents "priests" (bishops, cardinals), so ecclesiastical titles (Archbishop of something" cannot be used even if in many cases they'd be pertinent (like Archbishop of Estergom or Archbishop of Trier).

Technical notes:
* in EDA I haven’t changed anything related to the ancillary type, transferability.
* in future the list is likely to get longer the more changes I make and new versions of files I attach.
* I modified different files than ZoombieZleeping in his submod Authentic Faction Names & Character Titles 0.12 so there’s no conflict between the two.

How to use it?
* un-pack the zip files.
* put the files into relevant folders: EDA into /data directory, EA into /data/text, images into data/ui/ancillaries (afaik, in this directory you should delete the related txt.strings.bin file before playing)
* it think it’s save-compatible, at least it is how I’m using it.

Current state of affairs (ie fixed provinces)
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[Jurand of Cracow]

Provincial titles’ names modifications

Starting information:
* read the FAQ in the next entry, please!
* there are 3 PT ancillaries for every province: Christian, Orthodox, Muslim. The generic names are: "Duke", "Knyaz" and "Emir". It creates problems for Pagan factions and choices have to be made. For instance, Lithuanians use catholic names, but in history it depended on the period - in 14th century Orthodox titles would be more pertinent, 15th century increasingly Latin ones. For the moment, I don't deal with this issue.
* the Coats of Arms (CoA - pics appearing in the game for the ancillaries) are the same for all three (Christian, Orthodox, Muslim), but technically it's possible to make different ones (what I'm not going to do).
* for technical reasons (ie: to be able to have a ground for some arbitrary decisions) in this thread I'll artificially and arbitrarily put a geographical sticker on every province, eg. Brandenburg is attached to "Germany", Silesia to "Polonia", Chersonesos to "Cumania", Dalmatia to "Hungaria". In some cases, this can be disputable, of course, but this is useful for the purpose of this mod. This will help to determine which title should be used if two different standards from the same religion should be applied (eg. Herzog von Brandenburg but Comes Silesiae).
* since titles of one religion will be used by many different factions there's a need to maintain a kind of coherence in naming. Therefore I'll avoid using the names which wouldn't be used in a kind of universal names. For instance, the Polish and Hungarian language versions will be replaced with the Latin ones (which were used, anyway). For Spain, all the names should be in Spanish, for Scandinavia in (Old) Norse, for Italy in Latin, British islands in English etc. For provinces which were beyond the horizon of conquest, I'll use the generic names, sometimes with pertinent adjustments (an Orthodox name for a lord of Calais? - Knyaz Kalaiskyi)
* keep in mind that in the M2TW and SSHIP there're agents called "priests" (bishops, cardinals), so ecclesiastical titles ("Archbishop of something" cannot be used even if in many cases they'd be pertinent (like Archbishop of Estergom or Archbishop of Trier or Archbishop of Riga). Besides, it would be kind of funny having generals with a title "Archbishop" marrying princesses and having a bunch of children.
* in this thread I'm also gathering information about provinces' and settlements' names for different eras, if seems right. These are just for the future use, they're not yet in the game, and also the high and late eras are not yet done in the SSHIP. If there should indeed be a different name in each era, then it's depicted as follows: Early/High/Late. If the current version has been analyzed and found correct then a name in bold-black will be used, if it has been found wrong, then a correct version is put in bold-red, if not analyzed thoroughly then it's not bold.

0. France - is dealt with in this entry.

There’s a province “Eastern Normandy”, but no “Western “. Why not call it simply “Normandy”?
“Norwich” province – why not East Anglia?

I. Polonia

The title “Duke” is English, so not historical for Poland in the Middle Ages. If SSHIP wants to be historical, then in Polish “Książę” should be used. It’s something between a duke and a prince. Anyway, in the context of the game, it would also be un-historical. Another term used in the game now is “Szlachta” (pol. nobility, the nobles) – it’s in the name “Szlachta of Krakow”. It is fancy and I like it, but I don’t think it’s in the SSHIP spirit. And nobody but the Poles know what “Szlachta” is.

Catholic: If we say that the provincial title should reflect somebody entrusted with care of the province, then the Polish title used in the Middle Ages would be the Latin term “Comes”. It's ok also for the other catholics.
Orthodox, Muslim: generic "Knyaz" and "Emir".
Coast of arms: have been reviewed and updated to be as historical as possible.

Names of provinces: should be in Latin, so some adjustments are still needed: Polonia Maior and Polonia Minor.


Kraków (Lesser Poland)
PT: Castellanus Cracoviensis - "castellanus" indeed appears in the sources and later it grew up to the most important title in the Commonwealth. Furthermore, using the name "Polonia Minor" could provide sometimes misunderstanding with Polonia Maior.
CoA:
Settlement name: Kraków. (this is perfectly right, even if different spellings existed)
Province name: should be changed to Polonia Minor (introduced to name the region in 15th century, in the wake of the introduction of the Polonia Maior).
If you want to learn more about Cracow, read this article.

Poznań (Greater Poland)
PT: Comes Poloniae Maior. I hope genetivus here is indeed Maior.
Settlement name: Poznań. (this is perfectly right, even if different spellings existed)
CoA:
Province name: should be changed to Polonia Maior ("Maior" in this case meant "Older". This name was first time recorded in 13th but perhaps used already earlier to distinguish from the other Poland - that one around Kraków).

Wroclaw (Silesia)
PT: Comes Silesiae
CoA:
Settlement name: Wrocław. (many different forms existed, starting with Wrotizlaensem and Wortizlava, and 1133: Vuartizlau, and many, many others. Perhaps it's best to leave Wrocław).
Province name: Silesia. (this is perfectly right)

Plock (Masovia)
PT: Comes Masoviae
CoA:
Settlement name: Płock.
Province name: Masovia. (this is perfectly right, appeared in 12c.)

Szczecin (Pomerania)
PT: Comes Pomeraniae
CoA: currently is that of Stetin city (I don't know when it was created, but I'd suspect 19 or 20 century), It should be changed into the Griffiths dynasty CoA, which ruled the province throughout the whole period (ca. 1120-1637): red griffin in the white field.
Settlement name: should be changed to Stetin (no change of either settlement or dominating language: Slavic dynasty - House of Griffins, and the different versions in the sources are actually not so different. Name appears in the sources as: 1123, 1140 Stetin, 1188 Stetyn, 1251 Stitin, also Stitinum, Stitin, Stetina, Stittin. Note that the Polish name Szczecin should not be used because it was created in 19 c.)
Province name: Pomerania (this is perfectly right)

Gdansk (Pomerelia)
PT: Comes Gedanensis (to signify the importance of Gdańsk, the biggest port on this coast from 15 century onwards. Actually, the city dominated politically the whole area).
CoA: fixed in PTF: two white crosses in the red field.
Settlement name: Gdansk. The name appears in various sources, starting with urbs Gyddanyzc in 997, Kdanzk in 1148, Gdanzc in 1188, Danceke in 1228, Gdansk in 1236, Danzc in 1263, Danczk in 1311, Danczik in 1399, Danczig in 1414, Gdąnsk in 1656. The core always stays and I think the most common is Gdansk. Only in the late Middle Ages we may use somehow germanised name, but it's not necessary.
Province name: Pomerelia (it think it should be changed into Pomerania Gedanensis given that - to my knowledge - Pomerellen was artificially created in the 2nd part o 15th century to depict a small region, then it was mistaken in a few later atlases, notably Ortelius. However, more research is needed)


II. Balticum

Catholic: "Comes" with Latin names of the provinces, modified if historically justified.
Orthodox: “Knyaz” + name + "skyi". If somebody would collect the historical names, please drop an entry in this thread.
Muslim: generic "Emir".

Names of provinces: I think some adjustments are needed.
Coast of arms: have been reviewed and updated to be as historical as possible.

Twangste (Prussia)
PT: Dux Borussiae (dux - given the importance of the province in the late Middle Ages)
CoA:
Settlement name: Twangste/Twangste/Kunigsberg. (In the Peter von Dusburg chronicle: 1326 „edicaverunt castri Kunigsberg … (apud Pruthenus dicitur) Tuwangste).
Province name: Borussia (the name in Latin seems indeed right)

Riga (Livonia)
PT: Comes Livoniae
CoA:
Settlement name: Riga (also Ikšķile might be considered in the early era, but this might be confusing)
Province name: Livonia (the name in Latin seems indeed right)

Kernave (Lithuania)
PT: Dux Lithuaniae
CoA:
Settlement name: Kernavė/Kernavė/Vilnius(actually, in the early era we know nothing of any central settlement in this province, in the High era it's usually supposed to be Kernave - especially for Traidenis, and in 14 century finally the capital emerged in Vilnius (competing with Trakai). Kernave is close to Vilnius, so on the map no changes would be needed.
Province name: Lithuania (the name in Latin seems ok, although I'd be in favor of version "Lituania").

Kolyvan (Estonia)
PT: Comes Aestoniae (it may be a good compromise since in 12c. this was a Livonian/Estonian province, then it fell to the the Danish and German influences so one also may consider Jarl and Herzog, however, most of the part was under ecclesiastical rule (a few bishops). For the Orthodox it'll be Knayz Kolyvanskyi)
CoA: Settlement name: Kolyvan/Reval/Reval (after the Danish conquest in 1219, the town became known as Reval, the name comes actually from an Estonian word)
Province name: Estonia (the name in Latin seems indeed right)

Turku (Finland)
PT: Jarl í Austrland (starting in 13 century it was the sphere of the influence of the Scandinavians for 400 years so this is legitimate).
CoA:
Settlement name: Turku/Turku/Åbo. (after the Scandinavian conquest of 2nd part of 13th century Abo's been a correct name).
Province name: Finland (It's to be assessed but Austrland would be more historical given that Finland was a name given to a small area, and perhaps only in 15th century became the name of the current province. However, since this region will be in the Ruthenian/Lithuanian hands, perhaps one can leave Finland).
Some interesting information might be found here.


III. Rus

Catholic: "Comes" with Latin names of the provinces, modified if historically justified.
Orthodox: “Knyaz” + name + "skyi". If somebody would collect the historical names, please drop an entry in this thread.
Muslim: generic "Emir".

Names of provinces: I haven't reviewed the names of the provinces at all. I think some adjustments are needed. The Latin names of the titels are also created with limited knowledge, except of the three Rutheniae and Volhynie (well, I consulted the Latin version of Wikipedia).
Coast of arms: have been reviewed and updated to be as historical as possible (but Ryazan).

Volodymyr (Volhynia)
PT: Comes Volhyniae
CoA:
Settlement name: Volodymyr.
Province name: Volhynia.

Goroden (Goroden)
PT: Comes Rutheniae Nigrae
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:

Halych (Galicia)
PT: Comes Rutheniae Rubrae
CoA: ok - I've fixed it to be the right one.
Settlement name: Halych - I think it's ok.
Province name: Galicia.

Turov (Turov)
PT: Comes Turoviae
CoA:
Settlement name: Turov.
Province name: Turov.

Polotsk (Polotsk)
PT: Comes Rutheniae Albae
CoA: I've got major doubts if the current CoA (a ship) is right.
Settlement name: Polotsk.
Province name:

Novgorod (Novgorod)
PT: Dux Novogardiensis
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:

Pskov (Pskov)
PT: Comes Pscoviae
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:

Chernigov (Chernigov)
PT: Comes Czernihoviae
CoA:
Settlement name: Chernigov
Province name: Chernigov

Kyev (Kyev)
PT: Dux Kioviensis
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:

Pereyaslav (Pereyaslav)
PT: Comes Pereaslaviae
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:

Smolensk (Smolensk)
PT: Dux Smolenscensis
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:

Rustov (Rustov)
PT: Comes Rostoviae
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:

Murom (Murom)
PT: Comes Muromiensis
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:

Ryazan (Ryazan)
PT: Comes Resaniae
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name:


IV. Cumania

Catholic: "Comes" or "Dux". However, I hesitate if the Greek names shouldn't be used in some cases (Chersonezos, Tmutarakan, Azaq). Please comment, if you know.
Orthodox: generic English: “Knyaz” + name + "skyi". The exceptions: Chersonezos and perhaps Azaq and Tmutarakan - with the Greek names.
Muslim: generic "Emir".

I obviously admit having little knowledge of the Cumans so if somebody has better ideas, I'm open to advice and proposals. I haven't reviewed the names of the provinces at all.
Coats of arms: haven't been reviewed: I'd welcome a volunteer doing it.


Iasi (Moldavia)
PT: Dux Moldaviae - it was a province under strong influence from the west. Given the importance and ambitions of the rulers in the late Middle Ages upgraded to Dux. However, if somebody would find an alternative name in the sources, I'd be willing to change it (but not rex).
CoA:
Settlement name: Iasi
Province name: Moldavia (I think it's ok)

Sharukan (Chazaria)
PT: Comes Chazariae - due to to the name of the province.
CoA:
Settlement name: Sharukan
Province name: Chazaria (I think it's ok)

Azaq (Lower Dnieper)
PT: Comes Tanais - the name for Azaq used by the Italian merchants from 13c. onwards was Tanais, as it was in the ancient times. (I hope the case in Latin is ok: -is, -is)
CoA:
Settlement name: Azaq
Province name: Lower Dnieper

Sarkel (Don Basin)
PT: Comes Scythiae - there's a tradition of the Latin and Greek medieval authors calling this part of the world Scythia.
CoA:
Settlement name: Sarkel
Province name: Don Basin (I'd call it "Don Lowlands", sounds better)

Tmutarakan (Kuban)
PT: Comes Bosphoris - according to the ancient tradition.
CoA:
Settlement name: Tmutarakan
Province name: Kuban (I've got no idea if it was used in the Middle Ages...)

Saqsin (Volga Delta)
PT: Comes Saqsinis - following the name of the settlement.
CoA:
Settlement name: Saqsin
Province name: Volga Delta (sounds ok)

Aktobe (Aktobe)
PT: Comes Actobae - following the name of the province (I hope the case is ok).
CoA:
Settlement name: Aktobe
Province name: Aktobe

Bulgar (Volga Bulgaria)
PT: Dux Bolgharis - following the name of the province, but upgraded to Dux since this was the land of a powerful, well-established folk and their state. However, If somebody would find an alternative name in the sources, I'd be willing to change it.
CoA:
Settlement name: Bulgar (I think it should be Bolghar)
Province name: Volga Bulgaria


V. Scandinavia

Catholic: "Jarl i" + name of the province. That's pretty simple once you've got the proper names of the provinces.
Orthodox: generic English: “Knyaz” + name + "skyi"
Muslim: generic "Emir".

Names of provinces: in old Norse, have been scrutinized by experts in this (PTF) thread - look around entry #100.
Coats of arms: haven't been reviewed yet, but in the thread - yes.

Old Norse letters are used in the titles. You should read them as follows:
Þ/þ = hard '"th" sound like in "thin"
Ð/ð = soft "th" sound like in "then"
Ó/ó = "o" sound like in "tool"
Ǫ/ǫ = "o" sound like in "coffee"
Í/í = "e" sound like in "feet"

Jarl í Borgarþingslǫg
Jarl í Gulaþingslǫg
Jarl í Vestrgautland
Jarl í Svíþjóð
Jarl í Smáland
Jarl í Gutland
Jarl í Skáney
Jarl í Sjáland
Jarl í Jótland


VI. Germania

Catholic: Graf/Markgraf/Herzog - depending on the historical observations, discussion done in this thread.
Orthodox: generic English: “Knyaz” + name + "skyi"
Muslim: generic "Emir".

Names of provinces: thoroughly discussed in the same thread (link). The results are as follows.

Brandenburg (Brandenburg)
PT: Markgraf von Brandenburg
CoA:
Settlement name: Brandenburg. (since SSHIP starts 1132 the name should be Branibor at the beginning - it's a Slavic one pertinent at that time, exactly like Liubice. However, later it should indeed become Brandenburg, while in the Late Era perhaps Cölln or Berlin).
Province name: Brandenburg (I'd use this name despite a large Slavic presence at the beginning to be historical later on during the MA).
Initial number of citizens: ?? (I haven't checked, but should be very low)

Liubice (Holstein)
PT: Markgraf von Meklemburg
CoA:
Settlement name: Liubice/Lübeck/Lübeck (at the beginning it’s correct, but in High and Late era this should be changed.
Province name: should be changed to Meklemburg (or Holstein-Meklemburg?) The bigger part of the current province is comprised of Meklemburg which developed over centuries. Holstein was just a small part of the current SSHIP province territory and half of it is actually in the Hamburg province. Furthermore, Lubice is on the map to provide for a city important for the Baltic trade and it was Meklemburg as a province (many cities there engaged in this trade).

Hamburg (Nord Sachsen)
PT: Herzog von Sachsen
CoA:
Settlement name: Hamburg
Province name: should be changed to Sachsen.
From the gameplay perspective, the problem is that three cities (Bremen, Hamburg, Liubice) are too close to one another.The result is a huge empty land south up to Nuremberg and west up to Coellen. Due to my knowledge, Hamburg hasn't been for a long time a big city given the Abodriten raids lasting till 12c. The for some time (till 16c?) it was still smaller than Magdeburg. Both for gameplay and for historicity, I'd be in favor of moving the settlement from Hamburg to Magdeburg.

Bremen (Saxony)
PT: Herzog von Westfalen
CoA:
Settlement name: Bremen (or Slavic: Brema)
Province name: should be changed to Westfalen (as we stick to the names of the provinces with the German-speaking population to be in German).

Coellen (Lower Lorraine)
PT: Herzog von Lothringen (you cannot give a title "Erzbischof" which would fit here).
CoA:
Settlement name: Coellen
Province name: should be changed to Niederlothringen (as we stick to the names of the provinces with the German-speaking population to be in German).

Trier (Upper Lorraine)
PT: Herzog von Luxemburg (to give some flavor to the title, and taking into account that you cannot give a title "Erzbischof" which would fit here).
CoA:
Settlement name: Trier.
Province name: should be changed to Oberlothringen (as we stick to the names of the provinces with the German-speaking population to be in German).

Frankfurt (Franconia)
PT: Herzog von Franken? Landgraf von Hessen?
CoA:
Settlement name: Frankfurt.
Province name: should be changed to Franken (in the wake of renaming Rhein; Hessen seems to be too small part of the province)

Speyer (Rhein)
PT: Pfalzgraf bei Rhein (seems historical)
CoA:
Settlement name: Speyer
Province name: should be changed to Rheinfranken (the name Rhein sounds very ahistorical indeed)

Basel (Lower Swabia)
PT: Herzog von Habsburg or something else.
CoA:
Settlement name: Basel.
Province name: Hochburgund (it seems it's not possible to find a proper medieval name for the whole province, it's in Latin as it's on the linguistic border. However, is it not historical to have both Alamannia and Schwaben, while Helvetia is a Renaissance concept, and most of the territory is outside the medieval Swabia. Admitedely, Hochburgund was also somewhat south of the present territory. I maybe Helvetia?).

Ulm (Upper Swabia)
PT: Herzog von Schwaben or Herzog von Staufen
CoA:
Settlement name: Ulm (MWY says it was the most important city of Swabia, more than Augsburg).
Province name: may be changed to Schwaben if the Lower Swabia is changed.

Nuoremberc (Nordgau)
PT: Markgraf von Nordgau
CoA:
Settlement name: Nuoremberc (perhaps for High and Late eras it should be changed to Nürnberg)
Province name: Nordgau (seems to be a good choice, especially for the beginning of the game. The alternative would be to call Franken - Westfranken and Nordgau - Ostfranken. However, I haven't got a thinnest idea if Nordgau was used in the MA, or not...).

Regensburg (Bavaria)
PT: Herzog von Bayern (Pfalzgraf was phased out in 13c by the domination of Herzog von Bayern)
CoA:
Settlement name: Regensburg (this was the most important and populous city in the region throughout the MA, surpassing Salzburg and other)
Province name: Bayern (as we stick to the names of the provinces with the German-speaking population to be in German).

Wien (Austria)
PT: Markgraf von Österreich (Grossherzog is an own 14c creation, legalized also on its own in 15c)
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name: Österreich (as we stick to the names of the provinces with the German-speaking population to be in German).

Friesach (Kärnten)
PT: Herzog von Kärnten
CoA:
Settlement name: Friesach (it was the most important city in 13th century, but then it collapsed. For the late era another (Villach? any other idea?) should be chosen).
Province name: Carinthia (the province was still inhabited in large part by the Slavs, so I think the Latin name is a compromise for this border province)

Utrecht (Friesland)
PT: Herzog von Utrecht (or somehow different?)
CoA:
Settlement name: Utrecht
Province name: Friesland (this is a compromise for most of the Middle Ages, especially the early one. Holland, Utrecht were distinct entities, while term Friesland encompassed the whole region only in 7-8th century)

Loven (Brabant)
PT: Herzog von Brabant
CoA:
Settlement name: Loven. (Loven was the capital of the Duchy and perhaps most important city 11-14 centuries, only then overshadowed by Antwerp, and also by Brussels. Liege was an important ecclesiastic center, but economically played a lower role, I think)
Province name: Brabant.

Praha (Bohemia)
PT: Rex Boemorum (well, since there's no Kingdom of Bohemia, you may use it for a PT)
CoA:
Settlement name:
Province name: Bohemia.

Olomóc (Moravia)
PT: Marchio Olomuciensis (from 1182 Moravia was technically a march)
CoA:
Settlement name: Olomóc. (that's right. A few medieval versions: Olomuc, Olomucz, Olomuz)
Province name: Moravia.


VII. Hungaria

Catholic: I considered the use of the Hungarian term “Ispán”. However, because the title will be used also by other catholic factions, I've decided to use the Latin term "Comes".
Orthodox, Muslim: generic "Knyaz" and "Emir".

Coast of arms: have been reviewed and updated to be as historical as possible.
Names of provinces: should be in Latin, so some adjustments are still needed - tbd.


Esztergom (Upper Hungary): Dux Stringoniensis (difficult choice since the lord of Esztergom was an archbishop and I don't want to use ecclesiastical titles. However, to underscore the importance of this title "Dux" will be used - unless somebody proves me wrong)

Szekesfehervar (Lower Hungary): Comes Albae Regiae (no idea if it existed in history, but it sounds immersive)

Varad (Pannonian Plain) : Comes Varadiensis (as above)

Gyulafehervar (Transilvania): Voivoda Transsylvaniae (easy choice, he was very important throughout Middle Ages - it's a Latin version)

Zagreb (Croatia): Banus Croatiae (obvious historical choice)

Zara (Dalmatia): Comes Dalmatiae (we have to artificially create it since Banus Croatie was in charge of both Dalmatia and Croatia. It has the advantage over "Banus" to be useful also for the Italian faction, which might also have interests in Dalmatie)

[j.a.luna]

In my opinion Jurand, you are a machine! , i like so much your work and ideas for improve sship, these are little things amd improves but are great and historical and logical, for lovers of history and sship gameplay i give ypu my congratulations!
I hope that Lifth and MWY see your work and implemented in next release, is a great improvement and also you save much work for them
Also i would like see as you continue improve the titles for rest of provinces and factions, i like the idea of put the titles according to the historical province, their customs, importance in the middle age...
I guess that i could support for spanish provinces and moors(iberians) and for other importants cities as Rome, constantinopolis,bagdad,london...
Continue with your fabulous work friend, i will add for my sship!

[achilles-91]

Jurand this is going to be great! We should rep this guys

[j.a.luna]

Jurand any news about new tittles for other importants cities?i would like see tittles for the most important cities in middle age...constantinople,roma,baghdad,el cairo,paris,toledo,london,cordoba,merv,kiev... for make uniques cities and more realistic the game, for example make a important target conquest baghdad for its importance in trade silk, medicine,taxes...things that make uniques and logical every important settlement...

[Jurand of Cracow]

Jurand any news about new tittles for other importants cities?i would like see tittles for the most important cities in middle age...constantinople,roma,baghdad,el cairo,paris,toledo,london,cordoba,merv,kiev... for make uniques cities and more realistic the game, for example make a important target conquest baghdad for its importance in trade silk, medicine,taxes...things that make uniques and logical every important settlement...

For the moment I don't have much plans for going in this directions. For three reasons:
- I want to make historical modifications, giving flavor and immersion - to this end I'd need to know much more about the provinces. Futhermore, there should be a balance for the regions, so modifications for whole regions are needed. You may see at the the pictures I've provided that for Ruthenia, Poland, Lithuania, Hungary I kept the average worth of titles of 4, and only for Novgorod 4,25. But not more. So a comprehensive conceptual work is needed.
- I would like to make something useful either directly for me, or for more people. I'm still playing Poland and I have interests in the provinces around. Other parts perhaps in future (well, I'm likely to have less interest in Spain and Causasus, given that I played long games with Aragon and Georgia in the other mods. Or maybe the other way round - I know the regions so maybe I'll make the modifications... I don't know).
- I prefer to spend time on improving the EOG minisubmod.

What's likely:
- some fixes of the text in my modifications (spelling, bad English - I've already spotted a few)
- maybe titles for the provinces related to the factions I know (Hungarian: ispan or ban, Ruthenian - probably Knyaz, but not everywhere)
- maybe some fixes to Praque and Olomuc - although there's a mess in the file, much work to get your bearings what's going on code-wise.
- maybe some innovations to benefits (for instance, I find the +1 Command while defending pretty useless in my games - I think human players always attack, defending very rarely. Since I think the provincial titles should be meaningful for the gameplay, I skipped this benefit. But now I have a second thoughts: for a border province it might be useful for a player to have such a benefit, but it should be massive. So maybe for one or two provinces +3Command while defending would make sense for a player to give that title to a general sitting in the settlement. I have such a situation in Krakow, which is constantly under threat from the Hungarians (while I don't want to take Hungarian cities on the other side of the Tatra mountains). If I had a title with that "+3 Command while defending" I could have choose between this title and a title giving +15% Tax. A game should always be a matter of weighting trade-offs and making choices...

BTW - you've mentioned Kiev, but it's already been modified. Other modified great cities are Novgorod, and to better cities: Krakow, Kernave and Szekesfehervar. But the most unique ones are missing, I agree.

[Lifthrasir]

Just note that I'll rename Russian titles to make them more accurate (Novgorod and Kevian Rus)
Possibly, Scandinavian ones too, depending on how fast I can finish my researches.

Edit: About Russian Titles, check this thread. If you use proposals from there, please give credit to Alejandro Sanchez

[j.a.luna]

Just note that I'll rename Russian titles to make them more accurate (Novgorod and Kevian Rus)
Possibly, Scandinavian ones too, depending on how fast I can finish my researches.

Edit: About Russian Titles, check this thread. If you use proposals from there, please give credit to Alejandro Sanchez

Yes interesting thread about russians...i give him reputation! I hope that this mod will be the most historical game in the world hahaha

[kaiser29]

in this thread we were suggesting a title for the Lord of Ancona. as we stated, the city during its indipendence was an oligarchy. as we can't translate such a thing in M2TW, I suggest the Imperial title "Marquis of Ancona": before it reached full indipendence, Ancona was a Mark of the HRE

[Jurand of Cracow]

in this thread we were suggesting a title for the Lord of Ancona. as we stated, the city during its indipendence was an oligarchy. as we can't translate such a thing in M2TW, I suggest the Imperial title "Marquis of Ancona": before it reached full indipendence, Ancona was a Mark of the HRE

Hmm, I don't know old French, but a look at the French wikipedia suggests also marchensis or Markgraf or Margrave. Which one was/would be used then in Ancona?

[kaiser29]

hmm I'm not really sure because I can't find really much, but it should be something like

Old German: Markgraf von Ancona

Old Italian: Marchese d'Ancona (Marquis); or Margravio d'Ancona (Margrave, if you want the italian equivalent of the german title "Markgraf")

[Lifthrasir]

I'm not convinced by that title for Ancona.
I found the Six Elders but it can't be represented in game.
I found "vicars" but that's more a function than a title.
I found "Signore" but can't be used before 1300 AD.

I'm still looking for more info

Edit: I found a reference to the title of Marquis. The Holy Roman Emperor Henri VI raised a German Commander to the rank of Marquis of Ancona at the end of the 12th century.
Regarding the title in old Italian, I can ask a friend of mine (he's Italian).

[Lifthrasir]

I've received the confirmation that the title should be "Marquis" or actually "Marchese di Ancona" if hold by an Italian faction.
For Spanish, it should be Marqués de Ancona.
For German, it should be Markgraf von Ancona.
For French, Marquis d'Ancona and so on.

[Jurand of Cracow]

Lifthrasir, for now there're three different titles applied in SSHIP: for any province you've got christian, greek, muslim names. How do you want to proceed in future? Dukes everywhere? Me, personally, I would rather apply local names (like Comes for the "Polish" provinces, or "Ispan" (and "ban") for "Hungarian" ones). You've alredy got "Szlachta of Kraków" in SSHIP, so it's the way I prefer.
Besides, the names of the titles are easy and fast to mod, the more important thing is to have well-thought-out benefits and their descriptions, I suppose...

[Lifthrasir]

I'd prefer more variety for the "sake" of the immersion. However, I'm not sure that it can be done for each faction/culture. For instance, for France, it can be (from the highest to the lowest), Duke, Count, Marquis, with their relevant attributes. But for some others, I'm not sure it can be subdivided that way
I'm more into animations and models for now. I haven't looked into this in detail yet but I trust your judgement
So feel free to make suggestions.

[kaiser29]

I've received the confirmation that the title should be "Marquis" or actually "Marchese di Ancona" if hold by an Italian faction.
For Spanish, it should be Marqués de Ancona.
For German, it should be Markgraf von Ancona.
For French, Marquis d'Ancona and so on.

I'm italian too (half italian/half danish to be precise)

"Marchese di Ancona" is in modern italian, I think that "Marchese d'Ancona" fits better for medieval purposes

[Lifthrasir]

Well, I'm not Italian. So, I have to trust you unless there's more input

[kaiser29]

Well, I'm not Italian. So, I have to trust you unless there's more input

this is from a book of around 1500. it refers to a "Marchese & Signore d'Ancona"

[Lifthrasir]

That's interesting actually. It seems that the old italian language used the same rule as in French. So because Ancona starts with an "A", the "di" became -d'- (as we do in French still now). If you look the other titles, the "di" appears again, except for "Andria" for which it is -d'- again.
Regarding "Signor" or "Signore" (guess that this is the modern/plurial form of the word), I found that it was not used before 1300 AD. However, I'm wondering if that word wasn't just used for ceremonial and/or official matters (f.e. when people were talking directly to the Noble), something like "Seigneur" in French or "My Lord" in English

Edit: @ JoC, would it be a lot of work to make these titles transferable from father to son as they were in reality?

[Jurand of Cracow]

@ JoC, would it be a lot of work to make these titles transferable from father to son as they were in reality?

I recall from one discussion on the forum, that it's simple only if father dies from natural causes (not in battle). Then it can be done as it's with the relics - it would require a trigger for each title. So almost 200 triggers, yes, quite some work.
Gameplay-wise: the titles are one of the tools for the player to bolster up some of the characters. I have now one very unloyal one (Loyalty=0) and I'm trying to make use of him - assign a title (1 Loyal), give Privy Seal (1Loyal), what else...
Besides, there's a question what actually the titles in our game reflect from historical reality? To my mind they refect a king's honour and task to oversee/be in charge of the province. In this sense the king should be able to assign the titles, swap them between aristocrats etc.
And I think that the transferability from father to son was limited to some areas of the world we depict in M2TW, and also got significant rather late. In Poland we didn't have such tranferability, most of the time the king would be allowed to decide who should be in charge, even if in modern times he could do it only after the officials death (so no swapping). In Armenia the nominations were restricted to the families, but then the ruler was to choose the person (afaik).
All in all - I think it's not desirable on all grounds: gameplay, amount of work and historical accuracy.