PTF: provincial titles’ fix for SSHIP 0.9.2 (included in 097+)

[Jurand of Cracow]

@Lifth, You may prompt me to review also the names in Poland ;-)
Eg. Gdansk appears in the source in 11 c. as URBS GYDDANYZC. So Gyddanyz. However, in late 14 c. something like Danzike due to the North German immigration.
I think we should make it an ongoing work in future (again, it's for years: when somebody plays a faction, delves into the sources, and discoveres the right versions. This will be done through masks in the next versions of the SSHIP.
However, for now we need the complete all PTs - both in conceptual part (names, benefits, descriptions) and in the implementation (changing code). I think it'd be best to do all the settlements, given that j.a.luna is busy with implementation. We're somehow at 40% of work, I think, but given that I've got experience with balancing and j.a.luna gathered the names for all the settlement, we're somewhere at 50%.
Furthermore, I still discerning the issues. For instance on France as you see the table, the "general" types of PTs is concentrated in the north (Roazhon, Angers, Rouen, Orleans). I think it'd be better to swap Rouen with Toulouse, with moving +Mining somewhere else. Hmmm.
@j.a.luna - great work! I'll answer to your PM.

[j.a.luna]

Here the PTF DESCRIPTIONS FOR ALL EAST EUROPE(POLAND, LITHUANIA,RUTHENIA, NOVGOROD,KIEVAN RUS AND HUNGARY)



PTs DESCRIPTIONS EAST EUROPE_.7z

Jurand, when you can answer the PM and also tell me what is the next step for work

[Lifthrasir]

There are still some points that confusing me for the description. I'll update my post above but you'll need to check if it's correct.

For example, Flanders has mostly an "industrial" farming production, meaning generating the raw for the textile industry (linen, colours, etc...). In that case, do you still considering that settlement with "agriculture" bonus

Orleans was somehow the 1st French capital under the first Capetian kings. It has also a famous university (13th century) for clerics and lawyers. So it should be authority and religion. Am I right?

Nizza (or Nice) was famous for its anti-French behaviour. That city prefered to be under the County of Savoy ruling than under the French one. There were quite numerous revolts while under the French ruling. Finally, it was famous for its salt trade. It should be trade and what: authority? military leader?
This can be also applied to Gand (anti-French feeling leading to revolts).

That's just to fill the description as you wish (at least close to it )

[Jurand of Cracow]

Flanders has mostly an "industrial" farming production, meaning generating the raw for the textile industry (linen, colours, etc...). In that case, do you still considering that settlement with "agriculture" bonus

Orleans was somehow the 1st French capital under the first Capetian kings. It has also a famous university (13th century) for clerics and lawyers. So it should be authority and religion. Am I right?

Nizza (or Nice) was famous for its anti-French behaviour. That city prefered to be under the County of Savoy ruling than under the French one. There were quite numerous revolts while under the French ruling. Finally, it was famous for its salt trade. It should be trade and what: authority? military leader?
This can be also applied to Gand (anti-French feeling leading to revolts)

Flanders - sophisticated agriculture was a prerequisit for any province to get rich. To my knowledge, Flanders had one of the most advanced agriculture systems in Europe in the Middle Ages. So I believe the bonus is legitimate. What you're saying is true, but there's no "industry" bonus, just trade or agriculture. Trade 30% plus Farmin +2 is probably the biggest production bonus in-game. No other can match its. In a good province it'll give over 1000 florins. So I'd defend my choice ;-)

Orleans - ok for authority. So should we move Lyon bonus to Orleans, and popularity bonus to Lyon (so that overall figure remains the same). Religion - well, there's already 3 cities with Piety bonus in France (Paris, Reims, Clermont). Of course, almost all provinces could boast cathedrals and monasteries in France in the MAs. For instance, I hesitated to give it to Dijon (you know Vezelay and the whole cluster around Cluny). So I'd rather to move bonus from Clermont to Dijon, not to Orleans. But what to move to Clermont for it to have at least 2?

Nizza - there's already much trade! I'd rather consider moving one away ;-) Despite that attitude to the French, I'd rather make the currents effects stay. I think it's more legitimate to give 1 Defence to Gand, if you think it fit. But what should we decrease?

[Lifthrasir]

My examples above are just... examples
That's just to get the right understanding
I'll make the description in the relevant post and let you to decide. After all, your stuff, your choice

[Lifthrasir]

Lower Hungaria = Hungariae Inferior

Pannonian Plain = Campus Pannoniae ??? (to be confirmed)

[Svir@c]

Yes Lift, Hungariae Inferior and Pannonicum Campi or Pannonicus Aequumin ?! Also not sure ...

[j.a.luna]

Here the next step for PTF, the PT´s EFFECTS FOR CUMANIA AND HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE

PTs EFFECTS CUMANS AND GERMANY.7z



NOTE: sorry for me delay these days but due to my real job and also the Holy Week in Spain I'm not having much time for modder...i will do all i can for improve sship asap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Week_in_Spain


SUGGESTION FOR SSHIP TEAM: If is possible and we have time before the new release we could improve also the traits about characterizations of factions...the typical trait..."of cuman blood", "of greek blood" (+2 law, +5 siege points...) i think that these traits improve and differ a lot the differents factions with unique benefits...also i saw that for mongols dont exist this trait.."of mongol blood"(is missing trait or bug)

[Jurand of Cracow]

Here the next step for PTF, the PT´s EFFECTS FOR CUMANIA AND HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
SUGGESTION FOR SSHIP TEAM: If is possible and we have time before the new release we could improve also the traits about characterizations of factions...the typical trait..."of cuman blood", "of greek blood" (+2 law, +5 siege points...) i think that these traits improve and differ a lot the differents factions with unique benefits...also i saw that for mongols dont exist this trait.."of mongol blood"(is missing trait or bug)

Thanks' j.a. - very useful, as usual! Keep on after the holidays. For the moment refrain from the Scandinavian desciptions since we still need to decide on the letters used.
Concerning bloods - I see the point of reviewing them at some point but in a possibility distant future. It should be done from the point of the gameplay and balance with the other benefits (well, this +2 law is very powerful) so the regular traits should go first. The missing mongol trait is not a problem, I think, since not so many people would play them

[Lifthrasir]

No worries, real life comes first

[j.a.luna]

Jurand, Pt,s EFFECTS FOR ALL EAST EUROPE(POLAND,RUTHENIA,HUNGARY,LITHUANIA AND RUS LANDS)

PTs EFFECTS EAST EUROPE.7z

[j.a.luna]

Now, the PTS EFFECTS AND DESCRIPTIONS FOR SCANDINAVIANS, with this 2 files i think that i just finished the all 67 beginning provinces from Jurand

NOTE: Jurand when you can tell me what is the next step

PTs DESCRIPTIONS SCANDINAVIA.7z

PTs EFFECTS SCANDINAVIA.7z

[Lifthrasir]

@ JoC, about titles and names (people), check this site (especially the bottom of the page with all names and titles ): http://heraldry.sca.org/names/arabic-naming2.htm

Edit: Damn, checking that site a bit deeper, it appears to be a golden mine for your stuff (many countries are in it)

[Jurand of Cracow]

Thanks, Lifth. If we use Arabic (well, the alternative is Turkish, at least for some parts of the world, including Eastern Europe), then I infere that it should be:
Rex Bohemiae - al-Malik al-Bohemia
Comes Silesiae - al-Amir al-Silesia
Dux Livoniae - al-Mushir al-Livonia
Banus Croatiae - al-Amir al-Croatia


Pro memoria (cut-and-paste from that page):

A brief note on the pronunciation of some laqabs and nisbas: the "l" in al- is elided and the first letter of the following word is substituted for the following consonants: d (ad-Duri), n (an-Najmi), r (ar-Razi), s (as-Salar), sh (ash-Shanfara), t (at-Tayyib), th (ath-Thaqafi), and z (az-Zubair). These are, however, generally still written as al-; only the pronunciation is changed.

When written as part of the name, the article "al-" precedes the title, which itself precedes the given name. Landed titles may have the titles followed by "al-" and the place name. Thus, for example, if Joseph, son of Jacob, known as the Fortunate, were King of Caid, His Arabic name and title in full would be written as: al-Malik (or al-Sultan) al-Caid Yusuf ibn Ya'qub al-Muayamman.

King Malik/Sultan
Prince Amir
Duke Mushir (Musaitir)
Count Qadi
Viscount Naquib (Naqib)
Baron Shayk (Sheik)
Knight Faris
Master Mu'allim( Maulan)
Lord Sayyid

[Lifthrasir]

That's also my understanding. Just for the anecdote and in addition of the "Joseph" example quoted above, the Muslim names for famous leaders could also incorporate their military "nicknames" (such as the lion of Allah f.e.) and so on. So all together, the full/entire arabic names could be very long actually

[Lifthrasir]

I've finally found that excel doc with regions' names and titles. It's a bit outdated (done for v0.8.2) but it might be interesting for you. I just need to find a way to post it to make it appear like a pic. Fair Prince did it by the past. So there must be a way

[tmodelsk]

You could try to copy it into google spreadsheet and share a link.
Or save your excel as PDF, so it would be accessible as 'pic' via PDF.

[Lifthrasir]

Here is the list of Factions Leader and Heir Titles. Remember that it has been done for v0.8.2:

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That's a bit outdated but might be useful anyway
I'm trying to do the same for the Regions and Settlements list.

@ tmodelsk, I found another way

Edit 1: Here is the Regions and Settlements list:

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I guess that you'll need to download that one. I can't get it bigger

Edit 2: About the latin translation for Pannonian Plain, I've asked Iskar who knows Latin. Here is his answer:

I'd say Campus Pannoniensis (Pannonian Plain) or Campus Pannoniae (Plain of Pannonia)

[Lifthrasir]

Thanks for the tip Mate. Will try

[j.a.luna]

Jurand here you have the full file of 67 provinces tittle(4 files), i hope that we finished the minimod soon, in may i will have a lot of work in my real life so i hope do the work before...

67 PROVINCES.7z