Women's World Chess Championship 2017 in Tehran, Iran is being boycotted by a NAZI !!!

[Roma_Victrix]

And by that I mean Nazí Nodarovna Paikidze. She's also known as Nazi Paikidze-Barnes, age 22, from Georgia, representing the United States (although it's possible, in the sense that flying unicorns are possible, that she is a loyal member of the fallen Third Reich).



Female chess players protest wearing hijab at Iran world championship


US Chess Champion: I’d Rather Sacrifice My Career Than Be Forced to Wear a Hijab

So what do you guys make of this? Is this a bold stand that will help isolate Iran on the world stage? Or is she just damaging her career by being absent in such a prestigious event? Is the principle of the matter more important than that? Also, the Iranians must be somewhat happy about these results; the US champion will be absent AND they get to host the event. It's a win-win for Iran.

[snuggans]

who the hell allowed a Women's World Chess Championship to be scheduled anywhere near Iran? what limited foresight honestly

next thing you're gonna be telling me is a major sporting competition where unbiased refereeing is required is going to be scheduled in Russia, like the World Cup or something

anyway, i understand her protest, she feels demeaned that she is forced into wearing something, but she could be an even better ambassador for her country if she communicated her ideas in a more elegant manner, for example when she states that women in Iran are forced to wear hijab, this is factually true but it's also communicating the idea that every woman would prefer not to wear one, which is not true, she completely dismisses the idea of hijab as part of culture. there are various streams of thought among Muslim women ranging from being proud of wearing the hijab to wanting less restrictions on head scarves to not wanting to wear one at all

now this is a more respectable type of feminism that even Trump supporters could get behind especially since it criticizes Islam, although many would have you believe third-wave feminism is wholly unnecessary and represented by a few embarrassing online figures hand-picked by them

[Rarilmar]

who the hell allowed a Women's World Chess Championship to be scheduled anywhere near Iran? what limited foresight honestly

next thing you're gonna be telling me is a major sporting competition where unbiased refereeing is required is going to be scheduled in Russia, like the World Cup or something

I honestly hope Russia dribe the referees an get in the semifinals at least... like every other country hosting the tournament did, but ofc I'm sure Russia will be heavily criticized for doing it because they are Russia. I still remember 2002 Korea and how honest the home country got to the Semi-finals...
By your retarded mind nothing must be held in countries outside US and a few Europe countries...

[Påsan]

Why is there a womens chess league at all? There's no reason why chess should not be played by both genders against each other on all levels.

@Snuggans Given that the objection is on her being forced to wear one to participate I dont really get the idea that she is demeaning the use of hijab in general. Just that the state enforcing the garment is indeed sexist and demeaning. And yeah is is an actual old-school feminist problem that should be questioned, state-enforced inequality.

[Roma_Victrix]

^ Agreed. But hey, it's Iran. You don't like it, don't go there, I suppose. Yet in this case it's a make-or-break decision for many of these women's careers, so it's really unfair either way.

Anyways, someone recently pointed out the Google image search for "Nazi chess". Lol. Hilarity ensued.

[Ludicus]

You don't like it, don't go there,

Precisely
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

There's no reason why chess should not be played by both genders against each other on all levels

You don't see "mens events" in chess (you see "open events",anyone), but there are women's events, to give opportunity to women, because of the relatively small amount of women playing chess. To sum up,the women’s championship is open only to women; the world chess championship is open to men and women.
Judite Polgar is an outstanding example.From wiki,

Polgár is the only woman to have won a game against a reigning world number one player, and has defeated eleven current or former world champions in either rapid or classical chess: Magnus Carlsen, Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov,Vladimir Kramnik, Boris Spassky, Vasily Smyslov, Veselin Topalov, Viswanathan Anand, Ruslan Ponomariov, Alexander Khalifman, and Rustam Kasimdzhanov.

[bigdaddy1204]

I think her stand is principled and brave. It's a moral dilemma. She may believe she is standing up for the rights of women everywhere by refusing to participate. She may also think that if she did attend, she would merely be legitemising the unacceptable: the state telling people what they can and can't wear. Personally I wonder though whether it might be more valuable for her to attend anyway, since bringing more contact with the outside world would probably help Iran. That said, I believe at the end of the day it's her choice (obviously) whether she wants to go or not.

It's interesting to note that the hijab was actually banned in Iran in the 1930s. Under Reza Shah, women were not allowed to wear it, as modern, westernising policies were pursued by the pro-western monarchy. This is probably one of the main reasons why it was made mandatory after the 1979 revolution in Iran; at that time, people felt that the traditional culture of Iran was under attack, and needed to be protected.

It's also worth noting that since ancient pre-Islamic times, female headscarf was a normative dress code in the Greater Iran. The first veils in the region are historically attested in ancient Mesopotamia as a complementary garment, but later it became exclusionary and privileging in Assyria, even regulated by social law. After ancient Iranians conquered Assyrian Nineveh in 612 BC and Chaldean Babylon in 539 BC, their ruling elite has adopted those Mesopotamian customs. After the Muslim Arabs conquered Sassanid Iran, early Muslims adopted veiling as a result of their exposure to the strong Iranian cultural influence.

So in other words, wearing the veil in Iran goes back over two thousand years, long before even the Islamic period, right back to ancient Persia in the 7th century BC.

[kambiz]

Her name [Nazi] is Iranian though !

@bigdaddy1204
people keep refering to activities like hearing music and dancing , drinking alcohol ,not forcefully covering women and even free sexual activities as Western ! while infact not only in pre-slamic era but also after that people of Middle east were known for doing all these stuffs ! they sometimes were more liberal than their Christian counterparts. This "western culture" thing is another attempt by Islamist power hungers to deceive common people

Also regarding veiling ,bear in mind this was not an obligation for all women to cover their hairs ,but this was more like a style ! it was a fashion and even women in Rome controlled area wore that !

[Basil II the B.S]

Can a Nazi boycott Aryans?

[Roma_Victrix]

You're certainly right about the ancient Romans in that some Roman women wore veils...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Rome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_...Religious_life

This had to do with modesty as much as it did a marker of one's socio-economic class, plus ceremonial garb for Roman brides during their wedding, with similar veils (the suffibulum) used by the religious order of the Vestal Virgins. Although regular Roman woman weren't forced to wear a veil, some rich and aristocratic women may have been coerced by family and peers to wear them in public as a sign of both modesty and social status, safeguarding them from the predations of the common man. The Vestal Virgins and priestesses, on the other hand, were required by law and custom to wear their veils.

In either case, BigDaddy is basically correct about the use of the veil in the ancient Middle East, although again it wasn't compulsory (more of a peer pressure thing when confronted by other women and family members, if not their husbands). However, there was certainly nothing like the burka or naqab outside of medieval Arabia. Much like Roman women, Semitic and Persian women in the Parthian and Sasanian Empires wouldn't have continued wearing veils when inside the home. From what I understand it was more of a thing one put on when heading outdoors into the public sphere.

[bigdaddy1204]

Much like Roman women, Semitic and Persian women in the Parthian and Sasanian Empires wouldn't have continued wearing veils when inside the home. From what I understand it was more of a thing one put on when heading outdoors into the public sphere.

Even in the most ultra-conservative Saudi or khaliji households, women don't wear the veil inside the home. It is only for going out, or for when non-related men are visiting.

[Carl Jung was right]

Let's see. A state-capitalist (to the uninitiated as "socialist") totalitarian regime composed of a clique of politician-clerics forces unbelievers to obey Islamic law.

Now that is more contradictory than the opening statement implying of a nazi chess boycott, considering Persians are 100% kosher by nazi standards.

[Roma_Victrix]

Just because a sexist garment is traditional/popular does not make it right to force it on people.

Except it is right...according to Iranian written law!

Sexist aspects of cultures should be dismissed, or at least diminished and relegated to out of the way confines, like convents, BDSM dungeons and my father's secret compartment in his study.

Don't forget the "Secret Museum" of the National Archaeological one in Naples. That place is not for kids. It's very freaky-deaky (containing most of the erotic art from Pompeii and Herculaneum).

I don't think the people who say that this is because the veil is traditional for thousands of years understand how silly that is.

It's not because it's tradition, it's because it's religious fanaticism or sexism or both at the same time.

I can't imagine tourists in Greece to be forced to wear local traditional garments???

From now on everyone visiting here is forced to wear a Leonidas 300 helmet bought in Monastiraki for 5 euros, at the tourist shop!!!!!!

I would be so enthralled and tickled pink if Greece actually demanded this of its tourists.

Even in the most ultra-conservative Saudi or khaliji households, women don't wear the veil inside the home. It is only for going out, or for when non-related men are visiting.

Yes, but I don't think the Parthians, Sassanids, or Romans cared about women wearing veils in the home whenever guests arrived who were not family members. It was common in ancient Rome, for instance, to have various clientele visiting the villas of their aristocratic patrons in order to petition them for various concerns and grievances. Besides, we have many frescos showing women indoors among groups of men while not being veiled (in fact, we have frescos showing a mixture of seated aristocratic women wearing veils and not wearing veils). This is contrasted with the veil worn by Roman women in frescos and statues that clearly depict them being out-and-about in the street and in public. The caveat should be mentioned, however, that there are plenty of portraiture busts of women who aren't wearing veils. The same applies to Parthian women, even though the more famous examples of Parthian women in statues show them wearing veils (for instance the now destroyed "Lady of Hatra" ruined by ISIS).

For that matter, we are talking about wealthy women here. Common women and women from destitute families weren't too fussed to wear veils. There is some minor evidence that common women wore veils, but it is not overwhelming.

Let's see. A state-capitalist (to the uninitiated as "socialist") totalitarian regime composed of a clique of politician-clerics forces unbelievers to obey Islamic law.

Now that is more contradictory than the opening statement implying of a nazi chess boycott, considering Persians are 100% kosher by nazi standards.

Lol. "Kosher" was a very funny choice of words in respect to the Nazis. I get what you're saying, though. Aryan brotherhood, purity, and all that.

[Harith]

Is this some sort of practical joke? What's next? Women's gymnasium in Saudi?

[Abdülmecid I]

Is this some sort of practical joke? What's next? Women's gymnasium in Saudi?

Chess championships are traditionally (and also like pretty much every other sport) hosted by states who have a strong reputation on it. That is why Russia and various formerly Soviet republics almost monopolize the championship. Iran, essentially the inventor of the game, is still holding an impressive record, which explains why she was chosen as the host country.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

I don't think the people who say that this is because the veil is traditional for thousands of years understand how silly that is.

It's not because it's tradition, it's because it's religious fanaticism or sexism or both at the same time.

I can't imagine tourists in Greece to be forced to wear local traditional garments???

From now on everyone visiting here is forced to wear a Leonidas 300 helmet bought in Monastiraki for 5 euros, at the tourist shop!!!!!!

[bigdaddy1204]

I don't think the people who say that this is because the veil is traditional for thousands of years understand how silly that is.
It's not because it's tradition, it's because it's religious fanaticism or sexism or both at the same time.

Sorry, but no. That is an overly simplistic explanation that is largely wrong.

A few years prior to the Iranian revolution, questioning the relevance of European gender roles as the model for Iranian society became popular among university students, and this sentiment was manifested in street demonstrations where many women from the non-veiled middle classes put on the veil and symbolically rejected the gender ideology of the hated Pahlavi regime and its aggressive westernism. Many argued that veiling should be restored to stop further dissolution of the Iranian identity and culture, as from an Iranian point of view the unveiled women are seen as exploited by Western materialism and consumerism. Headscarves and chadors were worn by all women as a religious and/or nationalistic symbols, and even many secular and Westernized women, who did not believe in wearing them before the revolution, began wearing them, in solidarity with the vast majority of women who always wore them. It wasn't just about religion, it was about a whole national identity which people felt was being denied by an oppressive government backed by foreign powers who exploited the country. It was about getting freedom and independence for Iran.

To clarify, I believe women should be allowed to wear what they want. The state has no business legislating what people can and can't wear. I'm not suggesting people should be forced to wear traditional clothes. I'm just highlighting cause and effect. The mandatory hijab in 1979 is a reaction to the banned hijab in the 1930s.

[Love Mountain]

Good on her. In fact, all the competitors should straight up not go.

[Himster]

Just because a sexist garment is traditional/popular does not make it right to force it on people.

she completely dismisses the idea of hijab as part of culture.

Sexist aspects of cultures should be dismissed, or at least diminished and relegated to out of the way confines, like convents, BDSM dungeons and my father's secret compartment in his study.

[snuggans]

Chess championships are traditionally (and also like pretty much every other sport) hosted by states who have a strong reputation on it. That is why Russia and various formerly Soviet republics almost monopolize the championship. Iran, essentially the inventor of the game, is still holding an impressive record, which explains why she was chosen as the host country.

actually it says in the article that it was the only country that applied

i'm going to write an angry letter to the IOC or whatever US organization signed off on this

even Libya would have been a better place to host this tournament