Islam: The Real Islam

[PurpleScotch]

Islam: The Real Islam

The REAL story behind Islam.

Well Islam, as you know, is a religion from the same God as Christianity and Judaism...but some of you also know something false about it , and that is that it is the religion that Osama bin Ladin (I hate that piece of ****!!! God curse his balls!!) portrays, well, you are wrong; it is a religion that speaks of peace, and that one should not fear God but worship him in peace, I mean just sitting in the mosque makes me so close to God, that I feel I'm in Heaven (or Paradise in other words).

There's this person called Mohammed Shahroor with his book "Al Islam wal Iman" (Islam and believing) which shows the clear differences a normal Muslim does not recognize between being a Muslim and a believer...a Muslim is actually a person who believes in one God, while a believer is a person who believes in the all Prophets' and their words. All this was proved through reading the Qur'aan which says the Believers should pray..etc., and Muslims are people who believe in God as one, by something called fitra (means natural thing that signals a human of a God) and that is why God says in the Qur'aan that Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic) was not a christian or a jew, but a muslim, which means he was a natural believer in god (he did not mean that he was a muslim religion dude, but a natural believer) which is proved when his family worshiped many gods and their statues, he always warned his dad that those are not real, but only a God, one he is, and that is why God says he was a Muslim...that clearly states that believers such as me, who believes in Adam until Jesus until Mohammed (PBUH) as prophets...therefore I am a Muslim and a Believer.

About Prophets in Islam, we believe in them all...Jesus, Noah, Abraham..etc. and that is what proves us Believers. I believe in God from instinct too, I feel really close to God, that I am in a complete comfort, proves me being a muslim (in the way described above) ...

Hope I shed some light on you guys, Islam is not evil...really it is mainly on believing in God and only him as the creator, and being a believer of the Prophets. That is what makes a person a true believer and muslim.


God be with you all, salam!

[KaerMorhen]

Islam is not evil...really

...like Chistianity and Judaism. So the last conclussions is: human lust for certain things, "values" makes religion evil???. Using religion for political purposes fueled by miseducation and poverty???

[PurpleScotch]

I meant that Osama shows Islam as evil and I saw many that believe it is evil...infact most muslims hate Osama bin ladin...

If you meant me calling Christianity and Judiasm is evil...you're wrong I didn't.

[Pandora]

The thing that separates Islam from Christendom and Judaism is the way that Jesus is portrayed. according to Judaism he was a blasphemer, Christendom saw him as the Messiah, and Islam finally saw him as an important prophet but not a Messiah.

Another thing that differs the three religions is what a person has to do in order to come to heaven. The founder of Islam Muhammed said to his soldiers before every battle they fought:
"Those who fall in battle against the infidels shall come to heaven"

This quote pretty much covers how Islam looks at this Issue, for a worshipper of Islam who is very dedicated this quote can be very dangerous. a man who reads this quote and interprets it word for word might actually "believe" what it says. Going into battle against the Infidels that is those who do not share the same religion as him (The hijackers of 9/11 2001 is a famous example) and also the suicide bombers in Iraq.

Meanwhile Christendom and Judaism has a whole different view, according to them it is enough to be friendly and charitable towards your fellow man, and that occasional praying is enough to take anyone to heaven.

[yankee]

Meanwhile Christendom and Judaism has a whole different view, according to them it is enough to be friendly and charitable towards your fellow man, and that occasional praying is enough to take anyone to heaven.

Sorry have to correct you a bit on the Christian part. A person does not find entrance into Heaven because they are friendly, charitable and pray a bit. It is about believing in Jesus Christ, the one and only savior who shed his blood for us on the Cross and whoever believes in him shall live forever. No disrespect to your thread but had to correct Pandora on what a christian is - her/his discription left the one thing out that makes us christian. Good night all.

[Sadreddine]

The thing that separates Islam from Christendom and Judaism is the way that Jesus is portrayed. according to Judaism he was a blasphemer, Christendom saw him as the Messiah, and Islam finally saw him as an important prophet but not a Messiah

Not correct. I´m currently reading a classical book in Muslim literature, "Throughout Islam" (I´m just translating from spanish, maybe that´s not the correct title) by Abu Abdallah al-Luwati -more widely known as Ibn Battuta. Written in the XIV century btw.

Ibn Battuta is the Muslim equivalent to Marco Polo. A voyager, if you wish. He was a man of law from the Maliki school, quite a traditional one. He clearly states that Jesus (peace on him) was the Messiah, and refer to Mary as the "mother of the Messiah". There is always great respect in his words for Jesus, same as shown with Abraham, Musa and Muhammad himself, peace be upon them all. It means that sometimes it is better to just read the classics instead of simply believing what the modern clerics or media have to say.

Now speaking about the real Islam...well, jankren´s site pretty much summarizes it. For me, Islam is simple submission to God and only God as Creator of all things, the First Cause. And for that submission, one must at first realize how small and insignificant he/she is in the great order of things. When you start looking at a tree and see the wonderful combinations of factors that have created it and how it has its part in the incredibly complex system of life (for instance, producing oxygen), instead of a piece of wood suitable for a chair or table, you start to understand what is the sense of Creation.

What I just said makes no difference if you´re a Christian, Jew, Muslim, or even Hinduist or Buddist. The thing is, you choose the religion or philosophy most suitable to you, your conception of reality and your seek of Truth. For me it´s Islam. Not the Islam of the clerics. Islam as my personal choice.

You can always listen to a man who is learned in Islam, that is, an imam. But never, ever, let him conduct your mind in his political or mundane interests, which happens regularly to the Muslim masses. He is there to help you find your "spiritual" needs, nothing more. And that is vital for the average muslim to understand, specially nowadays when Islam is portrayed as the main source of evil in the world.

About the Qur´an...just read it in its context, not simply quote it as you see fit for cheap argumentation as I´ve seen dozens of times in this forum. The suras were Revealed under very concrete circumstances and thus may not be applicable to any matter. Specially those concerning violence that have everybody so excited. In VII century Arabia life was insignificant and the warlike arab tribes constantly waged war one against the other. I´m not going to comment more about this issue, but instead invite the reader to learn by himself/herself.

[jankren]

You seem to be a calm and wise person bro Ibn Rushdie. Anyway, can you tell me any internet sources through which I could access classical muslim literature? I have always wanted to explore the 'past'. Im sick of 'modern thoughts'.

Peace ,

[AngryTitusPullo]

The thing that separates Islam from Christendom and Judaism is the way that Jesus is portrayed. according to Judaism he was a blasphemer, Christendom saw him as the Messiah, and Islam finally saw him as an important prophet but not a Messiah.

Islam do accept that Isa a.s (Jesus) is the Messiah which is even told in the Qur'an. The difference is that prophets before Muhammad including Jesus are always sent only to specific people/tribes/nation which in this case Jesus is the Messiah that the Jews have been waiting for and were told by the Torah.

Another thing that differs the three religions is what a person has to do in order to come to heaven. The founder of Islam Muhammed said to his soldiers before every battle they fought:
"Those who fall in battle against the infidels shall come to heaven"

Will Caesar tells his legionaires that those who died fighting for the glory of Rome wont have blessings of Jupiter and Mars for example ?

Even if one is not a believer, wont that quote actually shows what a good oration a general usually said to his soldiers, especially when they are always outnumbered ?

This quote pretty much covers how Islam looks at this Issue, for a worshipper of Islam who is very dedicated this quote can be very dangerous. a man who reads this quote and interprets it word for word might actually "believe" what it says. Going into battle against the Infidels that is those who do not share the same religion as him (The hijackers of 9/11 2001 is a famous example) and also the suicide bombers in Iraq.

Meanwhile Christendom and Judaism has a whole different view, according to them it is enough to be friendly and charitable towards your fellow man, and that occasional praying is enough to take anyone to heaven.

Islam strives for the learning of spiritual and material world in balance. Without one another can bring dire consequences like we seen. However, if one care to actually learn, if indeed these were the teachings of Islam one does wonder why there are still infidels alive even today.

I mean Islam once do rule half the world, from Europe to Asia. There are much much more verses in the Qur'an where it strives to be friendly and charitable towards your fellow man but those verses of course were not famous to CNN.

[KaerMorhen]

If you meant me calling Christianity and Judiasm is evil...you're wrong I didn't.

no it wasn't my point at all I think you shouldn't try to prove that Islam is peace loving religion. It doesn't make sense cause always you encounter people who will call you infidel, heretic, disbeliever, traitor etc. So-called westerners know mostly nothing about Islam so it is easy to tell us via mass media everything they want. On the other hand Muslim extremists benefit from it as well pretending to miseducated and poor Muslims that all evil is caused by greedy and unholy West. Dumbness is equal for all, I myself when in anger can say or think about thing I won't do in real life but problem is - many people act than think or not think at all and keep acting.

Regards
Foytaz

[PurpleScotch]

Well the infidels were the ones who did not allow Islam to spread in the Arab peninsula, but calling Christians infidels is actually denied in Islam.

If you die fighting for Islam (I mean defending it or freeing your land) you go to heaven, but blowing you're self up, i think it's considered suicide and that person deserves hell, same as those freaks who accepted to blow themselves up in 9/11, I bet you are going to see them being punished in hell...Islam is mistaken to be full of battles, but if you actually read the Qur'aan (buy the english translated version if you could) you will notice that peaceful expressions such as the "Mercifull" are SOOO much more than hell and such...and God said himself in the Qur'aan forcing someone to enter Islam is forbidden...therefore I think Moh'd (PBUH) did say this only against the REAL infidels, while people like modern-terrorists say that the christians and buhdas are infidels, while surprisingly ...

Buddhists are in the Qur'aan, yes, they are considered worshipers of him! Therefore Infidels was a term used for the Arabs who hated and wanted destruction of Islam.

I agree with you that this term is mistaken by many and leads to deaths of many innocent people.

[Pandora]

Did my previous post offend you? If it did i appologise my intention was never to hurt anyone but to retell information concerning Islam

[PurpleScotch]

Actually it didn't people always think I was offended when replying were as I am completely Okay, thanks for caring .

[Pandora]

ok that is a relief i was worried that i had written to much

[Farnan]

Salaam Alakum (sorry if I misspelled it, I don't speak Arabic, and I only know those two words (they mean may God's peace be upon you, right?))

I myself am a Christian, and once held the belief that Muslims were evil. I've however changed once I had the oppurtunity to meet one.

Though I believe your religion is incorrect (no offense), I respect you and your beliefs. I know that the terrorists are not the average Muslim and are the same as the racist filth that pretend to be Christians. I only wish you moderates were more vocal, that way my fellow countrymen can know that too.

[jankren]

Learn more about what I think the real system of Submission or Islam in Arabic at www.free-minds.org and God willing you will be free of ignorance.

Peace,

[turd]

well... i am moslem or rather... i dont know at this point because of my experiences. and farnan... you had a good experience with a muslim... that is nice, but it is false to apply this good experience to all muslims
islam hates all that is not "it". islam hates the other whether it is the descendants of pigs and apes (christians, jews) or the hindus.

ill take my community as example. muslims often speak one thing to the kuffar (infidels) and another thing to muslims. my imam, who is considered (by non-muslims) a very moderate muslim in this community, preachers some vile things when the kuffar are not listening.
he often says things about peace and love... but only towards non-muslims. in this he quotes 5:54 of the holy quran

i think the problem with my other brothers in this thread is that they are very naive of the real teachings of islam. somebody said you go to hell for suicide-bombing. this site says otherwise, and it argues so from quran and islamic tradition: http://web.archive.org/web/200410112...om/ruling.html

[jankren]

ill take my community as example. muslims often speak one thing to the kuffar (infidels) and another thing to muslims. my imam, who is considered (by non-muslims) a very moderate muslim in this community, preachers some vile things when the kuffar are not listening.
he often says things about peace and love... but only towards non-muslims. in this he quotes 5:54 of the holy quran

Remember what happened to Europe during the Dark Ages when the effing priests had all the power and everybody followed them blindly? The same thing is happening to us when the effing despicable uneducated idiotic imams who believe that drinking Al Quran could heal diseases (This is true!) tell us what to do and what to think and we all believe in them without questions.

Peace ,

[PurpleScotch]

Remember what happened to Europe during the Dark Ages when the effing priests had all the power and everybody followed them blindly? The same thing is happening to us when the effing despicable uneducated idiotic imams who believe that drinking Al Quran could heal diseases (This is true!) tell us what to do and what to think and we all believe in them without questions.

Peace ,

Sorry didn't notice this before, but this is one of my points, we're letting Imams control everything, the dark-ages example is a perfect example to it!

...hope your rep wasn't disabled .


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Farnan, it's true, this is the "dark age" of Islam, and I really hope those Imams stop doing this soon, it's a huge negative that only serves Imams and Terrorists, while killing thousands of muslims and other so called "infidels" (yes terrorists also kill fellow muslims) !

[rez]

If you die fighting for Islam (I mean defending it or freeing your land) you go to heaven

This is what gets me, where in the Qu'ran does it specify this fighting a defensive action?

Because it sure a hell was'nt what Mohammed and his followers were doing. They fought a completely unjustifiable and very bloody war of aggression. They were defending nothing and imposing their will on others.

Yet those who died for Mohammed and Islam there surely didnt go to hell.

I mean Christ if what you say is true then Mohammed is in Hell. He was an aggressive expansionist and so were his close descendants.

If the Muslim doctrine really condemned aggression then the Sassanians and Byzantines would still be battling it out. Or at least untill the mongols showed up...

[Pandora]

yankee:yes you are correct i did miss that detail unfortunately, thank you for filling it in