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    Default 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    https://www.scribd.com/document/3260...uit#from_embed

    Beyond the massive financial sponsorship of Al Qaeda’s global jihad, the Saudi government, through its agents, officials and purported charities, has been intimately involved in all aspects of Al Qaeda’s operations including:

    • (1) raising and laundering funds on behalf of Islamic terrorist organizations and associated separatist movements, including Al Qaeda;
    • (2) channeling funds to Islamic terrorist organizations, fighters and associated separatist movements, including Al Qaeda;
    • (3) providing financial and logistical support and physical assets to Islamic fighters and terrorists, including Al Qaeda;
    • (4) aiding and abetting Al Qaeda’s terrorist activities, including the planning, coordination, funding and execution of terrorist attacks;
    • (5) permitting Islamic fighters and terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, to use ostensible employment with their organizations as a vehicle for gaining access to conflict regions, thereby allowing those individuals to carry out militant and terrorist activities in those areas;
    • (6) serving as liaisons to localized terrorist organizations on behalf of Al Qaeda, thereby assisting Al Qaeda in expanding its operational base and sphere of influence;
    • (7) funding and facilitating shipments of arms and supplies to Islamic terrorist organizations and associated separatist movements, including Al Qaeda;
    • (8) funding camps used by Al Qaeda and associated jihadist organizations to train soldiers and terrorists, including camps used to train the September 11th hijackers;
    • (9) actively recruiting new members for Islamic terrorist organizations and associated separatist movements, including Al Qaeda;
    • (10) working throughout the World to spread Al Qaeda’s jihadist ideology and draw new adherents to its cause;
    • (11) serving as channels for distributing information and documentation within Islamic terrorist organizations and associated separatist movements, including Al Qaeda, and from Islamic terrorist organizations and separatist movements to the media;
    • (12) disseminating publications designed to advance Al Qaeda’s radical Islamist ideology throughout the Muslim world and legitimize violent jihad against Christians and Jews on the grounds that they are “infidels” who do not deserve to live; and
    • (13) openly advocating for Muslims to take up arms against Western and democratic societies, including the United States.



    Well, that didn't take long. 2 days after Obama's veto of JASTA was overturned by the Senate, the first relative of a victim brings the first case to court.

    This has the potential of being a groundbreaking case, because should Saudis be defeated in court, then plenty of more lawsuits would follow, classic Pandora's box.

    With the Saudi economy already collapsing over the continued effort to overthrow Assad, is this the beginning of the implosion of Saudi Arabia?

    Also how do you guys think it'll affect Saudi-American relations? The threatened repercussions range from dumping US treasury bonds to dumping the Dollar itself but it's just rumours so far.

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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    Which court deals with this?
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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    Washington DC district no less.

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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    And when Saudi Arabia doesn't recognize it?

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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    They have properties in the US. They risk having them seized until they pay if they lose.

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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    They have properties in the US. They risk having them seized until they pay if they lose.
    The converse is also true isn't it? Is the US willing to risk properties all over the world? Also, similar cases can be made against the US (i.e. how they helped the Taleban against the Soviets). That was the dumbest law the Republicans could have passed, by far.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    The converse is also true isn't it? Is the US willing to risk properties all over the world? Also, similar cases can be made against the US (i.e. how they helped the Taleban against the Soviets). That was the dumbest law the Republicans could have passed, by far.
    It's not ''the Republicans'' who passed it. It was the whole Congress, bipartisan.

    The Senate vote was 97-1, hard to blame it on anyone in particular.

    http://ktla.com/2016/09/28/senate-ov...-victims-bill/

    Also Saudis should get away with sponsoring terrorism because....?
    Last edited by Tiberios; October 02, 2016 at 11:33 AM. Reason: Continuity

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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    This is an international matter. It should have been seen on an international court.
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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    So, can I sue US government for funding a state, Saudi Arabia, that is accused of funding terrorism?
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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    12 posts and 4 already deleted - not a good start. Stick to the topic please.










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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    It's not ''the Republicans'' who passed it. It was the whole Congress, bipartisan.

    The Senate vote was 97-1, hard to blame it on anyone in particular.

    http://ktla.com/2016/09/28/senate-ov...-victims-bill/
    The override vote was 97-1, but who created the law? John Cornyn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Also Saudis should get away with sponsoring terrorism because....?
    Strawman. That was not what I said. It's obvious the US is risking A LOT of assets doing that. You can already expect many repercussions.

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    KSA is a regional power. They can (and probably will) support every lawsuit in the Arab world against all the US breaches of sovereignty, support for terrorist organizations, and military aid for Israel (which also breaches sovereignty left and right).
    Last edited by Tiberios; October 02, 2016 at 11:31 AM. Reason: Continuity


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    Default Re: 9/11 widow sues Saudi Arabia and a number of Islamic Charities for Al Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    The override vote was 97-1, but who created the law? John Cornyn.
    Law which has been discussed, amended by poth parts which lead to that result. If it was just Republicans doing, I doubt they could have overturned the veto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    Strawman. That was not what I said. It's obvious the US is risking A LOT of assets doing that. You can already expect many repercussions.
    The US risks the lives of its citizens on daily basis by allowing Saudis to fund mosques and cultural centres that regularly get caught preaching hate against the West, recruiting terrorists etc.

    Why are the interests of the elite more important than those of the average citizen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    KSA is a regional power. They can (and probably will) support every lawsuit in the Arab world against all the US breaches of sovereignty, support for terrorist organizations, and military aid for Israel (which also breaches sovereignty left and right).
    Which they do anyway and all the time, regardless of this law.

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