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    Awesome units Ltd ! As always

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    My word... I m speechles...

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    pavise shield let me without words

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    Amazing stuff!

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    Wonderful! My fav moder sorry teammates
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    Btw who makes these wonderful sigs!? Maybe some additional new ones with Byzantine, Rus and Ottoman soldiers for supporters!?

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    Amazing, amazing work, guys!
    BTW: I have some Czech unit names that I think might work nicely in the unit roster.

    Militia – Domobrana (with bows, with spears, with halberds)

    Macemen – Palcátníci

    Knights – Rytíři

    Margrave (of Moravia) – Markrabě (Moravy)

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    I recognize the new face guard and the painted sallet! Looks really cool.

    Were the Flailmen camp followers or something? (kinda)

    ​~Wille
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    In fact they made up the majority of Ian Zizka's army, and after Zizka's death and after being in contact and defeating several HRE-Hungarian armies they also got better equipped.

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    Here are the newest additions to the bohemian roster, namely the early era units


    Early Era




    PEASANT ARCHERS




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    MILITIA ARCHERS




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    ARCHER SERGEANTS




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    DOGHEADS (CHODS or PSOHLAVCI)


    Chods are a lightly armored but very versatile unit with dogs, hiding in the woods and attacking unexpectedly then redrawing. They are equipped with the Shepherd’s axe, also known as the cekanka.



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    ZATRACENI




    To quote "It´s a Giraffe" : "A few sources say that the Bohemian soldiers would paint their faces black with either mud or clay before the battle, and would act in combat as if they weren’t “human” (The Italians said this. This is most likely due to the Czechs’ trace pagan ancestry, especially from a non-Bohemian perspective). Some of the soldiers were, indeed, criminals. The death sentence could be fulfilled by servitude to the king. And being cut down for your country was probably seen as a more honorable death than the gallows or the chopping block "




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    SPEAR SERGEANTS




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    SERGEANTS




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    MOUNTED RAIDERS




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    MOUNTED SERGEANTS




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    KNIGHTS




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    KING AND GUARDS




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    Last edited by Ltd.; November 08, 2016 at 05:08 PM.

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    Haha well these wings are just epic Good job as alwaaaaaays Ltd.
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    Default Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Kingdom of Bohemia / The Hussites

    Oh, wow, my ideas made it in. Glad I could be of service, and excellent work!

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    Okay, so the roster look absolutely, absolutely beautiful. You truly did an amazing job there.
    However the unit names that It's-a-Giraffe seggested are really weird.

    First of all, the world Pacholek in Czech means something like "Servant of a young age" or "Naughty child". So acording to the description of the unit, the much better name would be Zatracení (Forsaken) or Odsouzenci (Convicts) of course without the word Spearmen in the name. Because messing Czech with English is a horrible, horrible idea. -) (Hussite) Píšťalníci.

    I am very pleasently surprised that you used Chods in the unit roster. However in would be better if you just called them Chods or Chodové without the Frontiersmen in the name. Because all of Chods were frontiersmen . It would be like calling Swedes "Swedish Northmen".

    Also i am once again suggesting to you using the word Domobrana as I described a few posts above. This is one of the few word that actually work good with English and it gives the Czech roster some uniqueness among all that militias of the other nations.

    Lastly Bohemia really lacks some sword, axe or mace units in the Early and High era. Even more than Polish did.

    But once again, you did an awesome job that i as a Czech really appreciate. Finally we have some solid represantation in the Total War franchise. Děkuji ti za to.

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    Nemáš zač I am glad you like the roster. It is somewhat hard to find sources for the early era bohemian units.
    Regarding the names: for the official version unit names will probably be in english so in this case "frontiersmen" and something like "brigands" or "outlaws" for the pacholeks would suit better I guess.

    I´ll think of a 1h shield unit for the early and high periods as well

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    Lastly Bohemia really lacks some sword, axe or mace units in the Early and High era. Even more than Polish did.
    Hahahha something I noticed in Ltd's rosters is that he doesn't like 1handed shield infantry . Jk ofcourse.

    In any case the units look excellent well done!

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    Of course the large part of the roster will be in English, but a few names in other tongue will please the natives. Just like Ritterbrüder.

    As for the "Young-Age-Servant Spearmen": Call them ruffians (Darebáci), outlaws (Psanci), brigands (Zbrojníci, Banditi, Lupiči), forsaken (Zatracení - the best) Czech, English whatever. Just don't use Pacholeks, ok!? Czechs will laugh at it. I laugh at it...

    However right now a very good alternative name for the Chods came to my mind: Dogheads (Psohlavci). This is an old nickname for the Chod people among the Czech populace. Use it.

    As for the early era Czech units - Just take Spear Sergeants and give them swords. Done.

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    Since i apparently can't send private messages I'll post it here:

    So this my ealier post expanded and hopefully more understandable.



    As for the Pacholeks the best option would truly be „Zatracení“. It lines nicely with their pagans/convicts appearence and to be honest, have a unit named Brigands in your regular army roster is some kind of High fantasy.



    Something that i haven’t noticed before is the size of Čakan axes in the Chod unit. When you look at the images its obvious that they should be 2h unit and so maybe a little bit more armed – at least give them trousers. As for the name: Dogheads sounds the best. Its mysterious and unique.

    http://www.janhajek.estranky.cz/img/...nem_a_psem.jpg
    http://regiony.lusa.cz/wp-content/up..._chodove_v.jpg


    http://www.folklornisdruzeni.cz/imagebank/1654380/550/600/SA550312_resize.jpg



    Regarding the sword/axe/mace units in Early and High era i can’t think of any exactly unique foot soldier regiments in Czech medieval history. As i said earlier just make sword variant of sergeants in Early era and for the High era you could make a Zbrojnoši (Armor-Bearers) type of unit. With half-plate armor, chainmail and gambleson kinda like the Moravian Margrave unit.


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    Really beatiful work Ltd. cannot wait to try.

    Regarding the names, Stephen actually made me think , Czechs do not use "special fancy unit names", They were simply adressed by their weapons or their role on the battlefield.
    For example: Cep/weapon/-Cepníci/unit/ (flailmen), kopí-kopiníci (spearmen), sudlice-Sudličníci ("gisarmemen")(not halberds!), halapartna-halapartníci (halberds)

    this only applies to "specialized" units so: meč-mečníci (swordsmen) is a nonse... you could potencialy use: šídlo-šídelníci (pricker or awl unit) but i never heard that term... the only Czech word for these I can think of is Pěchota (which means infantry and that is very broad term) you could ofcourse use lehká pěchota (light infantry) or těžká pěchota (heavy infantry)

    as for role based names: Drabanti- simply vanguard, Pakosti- saboteurs, honci- "chasers" light cavalry, Práčata- kids with slings (not kidding)

    the Leaders (generals but also unit "captains") were called hejtman (or in german hauptman), could be used for generals BUT only for Hussites!

    Regarding the gunpowder units and how to adress them... They were basically all "Střelci-Shooters" but you did right to call them by the weapons
    additional units could be named: hákovnice-hákovníci (a heavier and stronger version of píšťala,larger caliber) tarasnice (no need to use plural) (bazookas, light anti-infantry artylery), houfnice (howitzer,again no plural), and just btw: Velký prak (trebuchet)


    just a sugestion you can use some of those or none of it since I do not care that much about unit names... just make them a bit OP so I can kick some german behinds .

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-hitman View Post
    as for role based names: Drabanti- simply vanguard
    Incidentally, I just read about the title of Dabant (drabˈant), it's also the name of a (late) medieval bodyguard for some Scandinavian lords/kings... name originating form Czechia.

    ~Wille
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjertesvein View Post
    Incidentally, I just read about the title of Dabant (drabˈant), it's also the name of a (late) medieval bodyguard for some Scandinavian lords/kings... name originating form Czechia.

    ~Wille
    same in czech actualy from bodyguards to even a towns watch... but in army they served generaly as vanguard (probably some kind of elite soldiers )

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