Chicago PD moves to fire 5 officers after shooting of black teen, a culture of lying

[snuggans]

Chicago police superintendent calls for firing officer who shot and killed Laquan McDonald

Chicago Police Move to Fire Jason Van Dyke, 4 Other Officers in Laquan McDonald Case



this disgusting slob emptied his entire magazine into a black teen armed with only a pocket knife, who wasn't moving towards the officers but was also refusing orders

but that's not all, here is where the famed Blue Line and "brotherhood" emerges to cover for the butcher:


The remaining four officers, Janet Mondragon, Daphne Sebastian, Ricardo Viramontes, and Sgt. Stephen Franko, face charges of making false reports about what they saw on the street that night.

Among the charges:

• Sebastian is accused of reporting that McDonald advanced on Officers Jason Van Dyke and Joseph Walsh while waving a knife despite orders to "drop the kinfe." The statement also said McDonald "continued to move after he fell to the ground, or words to that effect," documents show.
• The charges against Mondragon say she was either lying or gave misleading statements when she said she was looking down while putting her squad car in park, and did not witness the shooting.
• Viramontes allegedly said McDonald turned toward Officers Van Dyke and Walsh and after he fell to the ground McDonald attempted to get back up with the knife still in his hand.
• Franko is accused of claiming McDonald's actions constituted an assault and said McDonald attempted to stab or cut Van Dyke and another officer.

Several of the officers were also charged with mishandling the Department’s new recording equipment.



what have we learned here? that when an officer messes up, other officers will risk their careers and integrity to cover for him, this is gang-like behavior

that the pattern of "body cameras malfunctioning" has more to do with officers sabotaging them or turning them off than with genuine technical issues

3 officers have already retired and one resigned due to this investigation


i am surprised that Jason Van Dyke isn't being charged with murder here to be honest, he got off too light

so, TWC, what is the general consensus here? did the police "dindu nuffin"? does Black Live Matters have a point? or are they just a crazy hate group?

how should we approach police reform? and did anyone notice that Democrat cities are quicker to get their crap together than the police departments that are coddled and protected by their Republican politicians?



examples of the Department of Justice's findings on police departments:

The Justice Department’s incredibly damning report on Baltimore police, explained

DOJ targets racism in police forces, eyeing Fort Lauderdale

Chicago Police Dept. Plagued by Systemic Racism, Task Force Finds

The 12 key highlights from the DOJ’s scathing Ferguson report

[Gaidin]

Chicago police superintendent calls for firing officer who shot and killed Laquan McDonald

Chicago Police Move to Fire Jason Van Dyke, 4 Other Officers in Laquan McDonald Case



this disgusting slob emptied his entire magazine into a black teen armed with only a pocket knife, who wasn't moving towards the officers but was also refusing orders

but that's not all, here is where the famed Blue Line and "brotherhood" emerges to cover for the butcher:


The remaining four officers, Janet Mondragon, Daphne Sebastian, Ricardo Viramontes, and Sgt. Stephen Franko, face charges of making false reports about what they saw on the street that night.

Among the charges:

• Sebastian is accused of reporting that McDonald advanced on Officers Jason Van Dyke and Joseph Walsh while waving a knife despite orders to "drop the kinfe." The statement also said McDonald "continued to move after he fell to the ground, or words to that effect," documents show.
• The charges against Mondragon say she was either lying or gave misleading statements when she said she was looking down while putting her squad car in park, and did not witness the shooting.
• Viramontes allegedly said McDonald turned toward Officers Van Dyke and Walsh and after he fell to the ground McDonald attempted to get back up with the knife still in his hand.
• Franko is accused of claiming McDonald's actions constituted an assault and said McDonald attempted to stab or cut Van Dyke and another officer.

Several of the officers were also charged with mishandling the Department’s new recording equipment.



what have we learned here? that when an officer messes up, other officers will risk their careers and integrity to cover for him, this is gang-like behavior

that the pattern of "body cameras malfunctioning" has more to do with officers sabotaging them or turning them off than with genuine technical issues

3 officers have already retired and one resigned due to this investigation


i am surprised that Jason Van Dyke isn't being charged with murder here to be honest, he got off too light

so, TWC, what is the general consensus here? did the police "dindu nuffin"? does Black Live Matters have a point? or are they just a crazy hate group?

how should we approach police reform? and did anyone notice that Democrat cities are quicker to get their crap together than the police departments that are coddled and protected by their Republican politicians?



examples of the Department of Justice's findings on police departments:

The Justice Department’s incredibly damning report on Baltimore police, explained

DOJ targets racism in police forces, eyeing Fort Lauderdale

Chicago Police Dept. Plagued by Systemic Racism, Task Force Finds

The 12 key highlights from the DOJ’s scathing Ferguson report

Not sure what Baltimore, Ft. Lauderdale, and Ferguson have to do with Chicago's news story.

[Fanest]

What has this to do with politics?

[snuggans]

Not sure what Baltimore, Ft. Lauderdale, and Ferguson have to do with Chicago's news story.

that's easy, systemic racism was found in Chicago PD, i'm providing examples of how it's more widespread than we think, there are similar patterns found between many police departments, easily demonstrated by the email system they use, their pattern of stops, they even say racist things with a DoJ supervisor in the squad car

when a PD takes action they also set an example to other PDs, and this will no doubt resonate across the country, letting the minority of racist cops and lying cops know that their era is soon to be over

i'm particularly stoked about the development of body cameras since when they mysteriously "malfunction" it's practically a litmus test that lets us know something fishy is going on and the officer is trying to hide something

[Gaidin]

that's easy, systemic racism was found in Chicago PD, i'm providing examples of how it's more widespread than we think, there are similar patterns found between many police departments, easily demonstrated by the email system they use, their pattern of stops, they even say racist things with a DoJ supervisor in the squad car

when a PD takes action they also set an example to other PDs, and this will no doubt resonate across the country, letting the minority of racist cops and lying cops know that their era is soon to be over

i'm particularly stoked about the development of body cameras since when they mysteriously "malfunction" it's practically a litmus test that lets us know something fishy is going on and the officer is trying to hide something

No. It's a god damn red herring. You want to talk about Chicago PD, talk about Chicago PD. You want to try to talk about systemic corruption across country talk about systemic corruption across country. But don't bury the lede by posting a hilariously detailed post on Chicago PD when what you really want to talk about is systemic police corruption but all you have on them is two links but you don't even bother to talk about them.

Debate correctly.

[snuggans]

not really sure what you're getting so upset about, and i don't understand these arbitrary rules you're setting forth about how i should only talk about Chicago PD and i cannot link similarities to other police departments nor talk about police corruption in general *shrug* gonna leave you to argue with yourself, anybody else want to respond to my thread in a serious manner?

[Gaidin]

not really sure what you're getting so upset about, and i don't understand these arbitrary rules you're setting forth about how i should only talk about Chicago PD and i cannot link similarities to other police departments nor talk about police corruption in general *shrug* gonna leave you to argue with yourself, anybody else want to respond to my thread in a serious manner?

Because "Oh here's this trivia!" isn't a point. And you god damn well know it because you've hit other people up for it in the Presidential Election thread plenty of times. Hypocrisy. It's a thing.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

What surprises me is how these cases become common.

Aren't all officers equipped with body cameras so that situations don't become a "I said, he said" in the court?

I know that recently some officers claimed their body cameras slipped out of place during the action *cough*

[Gaidin]

Aren't all officers equipped with body cameras so that situations don't become a "I said, he said" in the court?

There are way too many police officers in America to equip them with cameras this quickly.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

There are way too many police officers in America to equip them with cameras this quickly.

I thought it was already a thing in place, is it still an ongoing process then?

[Gaidin]

I thought it was already a thing in place, is it still an ongoing process then?

And hell they're legally protesting it on top of it. Nevermind that someone has to pay for it.

[Mayer]

Aren't all officers equipped with body cameras so that situations don't become a "I said, he said" in the court?

I know that recently some officers claimed their body cameras slipped out of place during the action *cough*

Body cameras are a travesty anyway, expensive and making every policeman a suspect. Even worse are proposals of police numbers on uniforms, which show the identity of the person to criminals.

[Basil II the B.S]

/thread

Note that the tiniest column is the only one this thread, just like any Soros propaganda, Black Lives Matter propaganda cares about.
There's no white on black murder emergency. There's a black on black emergency.
/black lies matter

[StarDreamer]

/thread

Note that the tiniest column is the only one this thread, just like any Soros propaganda, Black Lives Matter propaganda cares about.
There's no white on black murder emergency. There's a black on black emergency.
/black lies matter

Seems this thread turned more to this other culture of lying.

[Odenat]

/thread

Note that the tiniest column is the only one this thread, just like any Soros propaganda, Black Lives Matter propaganda cares about.
There's no white on black murder emergency. There's a black on black emergency.
/black lies matter

Of course, you "forget" to mention that there are 160 million more white people than black people at USA. Therefore, when you are dividing killed people number by the race of killer, in a moment you can show us that whites are innocents. Why don't you go and calculate your numbers according to the percentage of population? Here, i do it for you;

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c3073f97b206

[sumskilz]

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

But about half has likely to be shot as a white person when in similar circumstances (such as getting violent during an arrest)

EDIT: Also, I don't think you really understand probability if you believe per 1,000,000 isn't the way to address the question.

[tgoodenow]

Of course, you "forget" to mention that there are 160 million more white people than black people at USA. Therefore, when you are dividing killed people number by the race of killer, in a moment you can show us that whites are innocents. Why don't you go and calculate your numbers according to the percentage of population? Here, i do it for you;

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c3073f97b206

There are more men in jail than women. Is this because the prison system is sexist? No, it is this way because men commit more crimes.

There are more blacks killed by police officers, relative to populations percentages, than whites. Is this because cops are racist? No, it is this way because blacks commit 50% of all violent homicides so they are more likely to be in violent confrontations with police.

[Basil II the B.S]

Of course, you "forget" to mention that there are 160 million more white people than black people at USA. Therefore, when you are dividing killed people number by the race of killer, in a moment you can show us that whites are innocents. Why don't you go and calculate your numbers according to the percentage of population? Here, i do it for you;

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c3073f97b206

The data I posted shows an incredible overrepresentation of blacks in crime. If you commit crimes you are likely to be shot by the police.

America has a black crime problem, which kills blacks in particular.
America has a trigger happy police problem.
America has a trigger happy population problem.
America has a Soros propaganda problem.
America does not have a white on black murder rate problem.

[Gaidin]

The data I posted shows an incredible overrepresentation of blacks in crime. If you commit crimes you are likely to be shot by the police.

America has a black crime problem, which kills blacks in particular.
America has a trigger happy police problem.
America has a trigger happy population problem.
America has a Soros propaganda problem.
America does not have a white on black murder rate problem.

It actually has a poverty problem. Because poverty just makes you desperate for the crap you need.

Or if you're running crime as a business then the crime is just a risk of the business. Which Plenty of all races do.

[mongrel]

These indept US cop incidents are so common place , I suggest that the next person to open a thread uses a more generic title. We could then sticky the thread until such time the US authorities hire human beings to police their own, rather than firearms-trained apes.