US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

[empr guy]

Kander is also projected to be doing very well in Missouri (still too early for a decision). That would be huge for dems after Bayh flopped so hard in IN.

[Garbarsardar]

Medical cannabis in Florida with 79%.

[Akrotatos]

Google shows HC ahead in Florida and Ohio. From what I gather if she wins both it's kind of over?

[Prodromos]

Rubio apparently just won the election.

[Infidel144]

Infidel144

(edits below missed the post since this morning)

You are mistaking Outstanding Debt and Surpluses and using how a surplus is used. There was a surplus of revenue over spending in both time frames and continued outstanding debt well. I may have a surplus in any one year in my budget - no matter if I choose to retire outstanding debt does not impact on the reality of surplus.

In any case recent history still supports snuggans' conclusion - seeing as Bush tax cuts followed a surplus that was not inherently stable (and the budget projections at the time of course proved very inaccurate) - producing a systemic loss of revenue that was balanced by any systemic reduction in spending.

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edit: You are still ignoring the basic difference between Outstanding debt and a yearly surplus or lack of such. Importantly you are ignoring the very real fact that economics of each era you cite are/were very different. It was for example argued fairly strongly by many that retiring debt would be a mistake given how that might impact bond markets.

Also you run into a different problem in that if your going to cite outstanding debt - you really need to cite the value of all assets held by the Government. Once you have that then you could accurately judge how the outstanding balance of the US government debt or assets was altered in any one year.



OK so come back when you have a tally for all US government assets - because you are missing a really big part of hard facts.

No, I am not mistaking anything.
The debt went up every year. It went up every year because spending was greater than income.
If you spend more than you have, you don't have a surplus.

You have $100. You spend it. You then borrow $100. You spend $50.
Are you in debt?

[Gaidin]

It is, but the gap seems too big to be passed.

Fairfax is 7% in, Loudon is 50% in. The state is 29% in. Most of the number you see is early vote they just stick up there and the percentage is, fyi, is election day vote count.

[snuggans]

OH MY GOD Florida is tight as hell

i cant believe Virginia and this betrayal. but Hillary is up in Ohio? and North Carolina? could it be already over? but wtf Virginia

[empr guy]

Google shows HC ahead in Philadelphia and Ohio. From what I gather if she wins both it's kind of over?

pretty much yeah, she's expected to win PA but OH would be a bit of an upset.



Also unrelated, my state has recently closed polls. I'm really looking forward to how my county votes, traditionally blue but there have been "god loves trump" signs everywhere the last few days, If he gets blown out here I'm going to laugh my ass off

[Ventos Mustel]

OK snuggans, we get the joke. You can cut the spam now

[Condottiere 40K]

Seems to be a shooting at a California polling station.

One dead, three wounded, two critical.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Hmmm... If Clinton wins Ohio, it's over.

[Harith]

LOL, Texas is blue. That's a victory in itself (event if it is for minutes)

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

LOL, Texas is blue. That's a victory in itself (event if it is for minutes)

I lolled at that too. WTH?

[snuggans]

if Hillary wins Texas i'm going to freak out

[Greyblades]

Trump got florida, calling it now.

[Boicote]

nevermind

[Costin_Razvan]

He's got Florida, he's also going to get...Virginia?!

LOL. Election surprise TIM KAINE.

[Harith]

I knew this election would be really close, but I didn't see her losing Virginia (still not called by the way and the deficit is narrowing as the reporting increases). If she loses Virginia, she'd better win NC, Ohio or Florida or else we might as will make our pilgrimage to the Trump Tower.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

She will win Texas she will she will !!

[Costin_Razvan]

Ohio and North Carolina already went for Trump in the results so far. Florida is highly unlikely to shift when he's leading by 150.000 votes and Virginia with almost as much of the % reporting in as Florida? I find it hard to see it.