Ordinarius
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Fawn, what you show me as a reference is not even close to what you've done. By this I see, you can not make a difference between teutonic and germanic helmets. If you can't make a decoration for a helmet similar to reference you show me, then ask Sly or Ltd. for a model, but don't use a teutonic horned helmet. I'm just asking for more quality rather than speed. We all want to play sooner this mod, but not at the cost to have nothing to be proud of
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Primicerius
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
A few shield-decorations that could be used for the Bavarian faction:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Last edited by Pinarius; February 22, 2017 at 12:17 PM.
Senator
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Although we do have Emergent factions, we try to stay true to the start of 1212 A.D. in what factions were present with some exceptions. Anything past 1212 A.D. becomes a sort of "what-if" scenario that you see in tier 2 representing 14th century and tier 3 representing 15th century. The team is geared towards staying historically correct while encouraged to interpret medieval and modern sources for themselves. This usually ends up researching what the Habsburgs had in terms of military. Although we intentionally do not make units for emergent factions, we would already have units resembling those belonging to the emergent faction and we would assign those. Essentially, the Habsburgs and the Duchy of Austria will share units. If you would to, I can help teach you how to use the assembly kit and PFM to help make units and/or textures for Austria if you would like to participate in the mod.Originally Posted by Archilles
Miles
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Hey, hey nice; A HRE revamp! I was looking forward to this for a long time
1. The coat of arms which is showing the wheel is from Mainz AND Erfurt btw. Erfurt was tied a long time to the archbishops of Mainz, so their coat of arms are identical. And I think you mean the units with throwing axes should be named "Aussöldner" und "Stiftsmänner".
2.On the "Zweihänder"-Subject I have to say that in fact using greatswords has a strong tradition in german lands BUT the image of whole companies using two-handed weapons and their firm integration in military was coined in the later periods of Renaissance and 30-Years-War. These were the prime periods to which all these perceptions belong. I made a few pictures myself from the Rüstkammer-museum in Dresden. All of these exponats belong to the time after 1500 and many of them are pieces for representation purposes. So greatswords may have been in use earlier and to a greater extent in german lands than in other countries but the main knightly weapons were swords, maces etc. though. I would suggest to keep the early "Zweihänder"-units as unique trait of the HRE, but not at the expense of the One-handed "Ritter"-units.
Here a practise book for greatswords, late 15. - early 16. century, the time in which "Zweihänder" began to become really common. Its hard to find something equivalent in much earlier periods.
http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/Goliath/Goliath.htm#.WKzLam_hCUk
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
3. And your germans are indeed more nordic than the nordic factions. Kinda like it but it´s a little bit too much.
4. Horned Helms ARE historical. Just reduce the number a little bit and maybe a little more variation in form and colour.
5. For the unique units of HRE and it´s vassals it´s hard to find anything specific. But realistic choices in any case would be Saxon Axemen or Halberdiers (famous for their miltancy), Swabian troops (for Bavaria), Stedinger soldiers (light unit, for Friesland), Hanseatic Watchmen, of course the Teutonic (Ritterbrüder, Schwertbrüder...), Bohemian and Swiss troops which are already made, Dutch Pikemen, Italian Mercenaries and some sort of lower nobility/knights, who admistered land for their Masters (mostly the counts and lords of these countries) because the system of "Lehen" was strongly distinctive in the HRE, especially in Thuringia and western regions.
Names to use for units:
Landsknechte/Kriegsknechte/Knechte (common soldiers, no knights), Panzerreiter (common cavalry, no knights), Ritter/Reichsritter (for Knights), Vasallen/Lehensmänner/Vogte (low nobility,see above), Burgherren (see above, men who own castles and the lands around them, often Knights), Zweihänder (for greatsword units), Grafen (counts), Fürsten (lords)...
6. Some examples for heraldry (most german states of HRE, sorted campaign map borders, Swiss and Bohemia already made);
HRE: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File...re_Ancient.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Archbishopric_of_Mainz (also for Erfurt/Thuringia!)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Worms
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Fulda.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Duchy_of_W%C3%BCrttemberg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Kurf%C3%BCrsten_von_Sachsen.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Electorate_of_Pfalz.svg
Brabant: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Brabant.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Li%C3%A8ge
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Duchy_of_Cleves
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Duchy_of_Guelders
Friesland: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Friesland.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Minden
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Utrecht
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/County_of_East_Frisia
Trier: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prin...opric_of_Trier (also for HRE...Prince_archbishopric)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Archbishopric_of_Cologne (also for HRE...Prince_archbishopric)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Duchy_of_Luxembourg
Thuringia: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Land...e_of_Thuringia
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Archbishopric_of_Mainz (see above, like Erfurt)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Merseburg.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/County_of_Aschersleben
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/House_of_Tengling
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/County_of_Schwarzburg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Lordship_of_Kranichfeld
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Lordship_of_Lobdeburg
Saxony: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Wettin_Sachsen.svg (also for HRE...Prince-electors)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Duchy_of_Saxony
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Archbishopric_of_Bremen (also for HRE...Prince_archbishopric)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Osnabruck.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/County_of_Wernigerode
Brandenburg: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File...rg_Ancient.svg (also for HRE...Prince-electors)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Archbishopric_of_Magdeburg (also for HRE...Prince_archbishopric)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Burgraviate_of_Dohna
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Burgraviate_of_Meissen
Lothringen: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Alsace.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Duchy_of_Lorraine
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Speyer
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Strassburg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Landgraviate_of_Upper_Alsace
Bavaria: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Duchy_of_Bavaria (also for HRE...Prince-electors)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Augsburg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Bamberg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Eichst%C3%A4tt
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Passau
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Regensburg_Bishop.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Hohenstaufen.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Burgau.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Landgraviate_of_Leuchtenberg
Austria: http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Duchy_of_Austria
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Archbishopric_of_Salzburg (also for HRE...Prince_archbishopric)
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Prince-Bishopric_of_Lavant
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Berchtesgaden.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Habsburg.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Ober%C3%B6sterreich.svg
http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/File:Niederosterreich.svg
Just some hastily copied examples. I was oriented towards campaign map borders, not real historical borders... If there are big mistakes, please correct me.
Last edited by Heisenburrg; February 21, 2017 at 08:16 PM.
Semisalis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
The units look good – but as finix said – no Austrian knight weared horns on his helmet.
Ok so when you need help with the heraldry may I can help you here!
The Austrians are a very strange country. We didn´t have this sense of nationality back in the middle age than we have today. Till the germans kicked us out after the battle of Königgrätz we saw ourselfs as germans… or better as a part of the HRE. As part of the HRE we fought under the banner of the HRE and not really under the banner of Austria (red white red). But I think for gameplay reasons it will be ok to see them fighting under an Austrian Banner. But in real life they had the Banner of the HRE and on their shields of course their “house heraldry”…. Or the heraldry of the land they were coming from. An Austrian Heraldry for the army wasn´t really introduced till the year 1804.
When the game starts Austria included todays Vienna, lower Austria, parts of Upper Austria and Styria… but only 30 years later Austria included the states of Vienna, Lower Austria, Upper Austria, Carinthia, Styria, Krain and the windy mark… more or less… The Krain for example didn´t belong really long to Austria… Tirol came about 1350 to Austria – Salzburg somewhere 1805. But here is the card of Austria in 1270 (I wouldn´t include Böhmen and Mähren) with all the lands belongs to the land:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt%C3..._Codex_005.jpg
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschi...C5%99emysl.jpg
The ruler of this duchy was the house Babenberger (red white red heraldry) till 1278. After that the Habsburger (red dragon on a yellow shield) took over Austria. The question is… are the Habsburger in the game?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsbu...Wappen_ZWB.png
So lets start with the heraldries.
Let’s start with the Austrian flag itself.
The Austrian flag was the “house heraldry” of the Babenberger, which ruled over Austria till 1278. The legend says, that Leopold V fought in the siege of akkon in a white outfit. After the battle he was completely covered in blood and his outfit was red everywhere… except the place where his belt was, this part remaind white. And so the Austrian flag was “invented”… red – white – red haha.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babenb...heibler1ps.jpg
Lower Austria (Austria under the Enns)Is the main land of Austria… where everything started
5 yellow eagles on a black or blue shield. The 5 Eagles show the 5 Provinces under the Austrian rule. Lower Austria, Upper Austria, Carinthia, Styria, Krain and the windy mark. We don´t know when it was invented… but it was somewhere in the 12th century. – 5 eagles on a blue shield are still the heraldry of todays lower Austria (where I live in)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babenb..._Babenberg.jpg
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nieder..._Stammbaum.svg
Styria.Joined 1192 Austria as an autonomn country.
A white panther on a green backdrop. It is the family heraldry of Ottokar the III of the house Traungauer. 1180 it gained the heraldry of Styria after Styria become a duchy. It is still the heraldry of Styria and the city steyr today. (Steyr you know better for their
weapons and military vehicles).
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steiri...Steiermark.jpg
Was part of Styria in 1212… it became a state in 1260 (upper Austria)
Upper Austria (Austria above the Enns)
Yellow eagle on a black backdrop left and red and white stripes on the right. It was founded somewhere in the 12th century.
The Rulers of this time period were the “Herren von Perg und Machland”. Their heraldry were two red “arrows” on a white shield. The heraldry of Marchelfd is the origin of the heraldry of upper Austria.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ober%C...hs_IV_1446.jpg
Joined Austria 1335.
Three black panthers on a yellow backdrop on the left side and the Babenberger emblem on the right side. This was the heraldry of Ulrich the III from the house Spanheimer. He changed his old heraldry 1246 to the new one to show the people that he is a potential heir of the house Babenburg. The heraldry is still the heraldry of Corinthia today.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A...ernten_CoA.svg
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A...ethe_Tirol.jpg
was part of Austria 1270. Under the regime of Ottokar II. Today it is in Slowenia…https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krain#...tums_Krain.png
Krain
Red eagle on a white backdrop.
Tirol
Joined Austria 1363. During the 12th and 13th century they were a state like Austria in the HRE… so when you want to include Tirol – I would give it to Austria instead of Bavaria.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirole...at_of_arms.jpg
“Joined” Austria 1337. Before that, the ruler of the land was the family Montfort.http://foerderkreis-heimatkunde.de/i...appen_1450.jpg
Voralberg
A black panther on a yellow backdrop on the left side and the Babenberger emblem on the right side. We don´t know exactly if the red white red part is really the heraldry of the Babenberger. But we think that Phillip of the house Spanheimer (He was the brother of Ulrich III) invented the heraldry in 1246 too. The heraldry is also still the heraldry of Salzburg till today.
Salzburg
But Salzburg wasn´t part of Austria in this time frame… It was part of Barvaria. But as a Spanheimer (that may wanted to become the ruler of Austria like his brother) the heraldry can be used in the Austrian army.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzbu...urg_Wappen.svg
Last edited by Archilles; February 22, 2017 at 02:28 AM.
Semisalis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Aaaand of courye the heraldry of vienna
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiener...4lteste_Siegel
So the Banners of Austria - i would make them red White red - or a White cross on a red backdrop or the HRE eagle on an yellow backdrop or as you see in one Image above the banner of lower Austria - or some of the Habsburgs maybe? -
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichs...ischen_Reiches
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreaskreuz - was very often used in the HRE army
Shields - I would give them the shields of the different countries, some crosses (you can´t be wrong with crosses haha) and of Course some eagles from the HRE...
The red - White checked Knights you showed is more likely a croatien soldier... i would´t give him to Austria
Tiro
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Thanks a lot for this info! No changes will be made to the current look before the February update, but I appreciate the feedback and this will definitely help me improve the rosters. Heisenburg gave some good suggestions for units, and I may make additions based on them. Achilles, do you have any other suggestions for units/names? Currently the standard German HRE roster applies to all German units (I got this revamp project only last week and didn't have the time to re-do 5 rosters - Austria, Bavaria, HRE, Brabant, Saxony - and I'm working on adding the new faction of Thuringia as well), but eventually they will have some uniqueness to them, though I will probably keep some of the standard units (basic spearmen, melee cav, basic swordsmen, levies) the same for each roster (there is potential for all these factions to be combined into one roster for custom battle mode in the future anyway).
The roster you will see in the update:
Heerschild - Duke's/Emperor's bodyguard
Ritter - Shock cav
Dismounted Ritter - heavy melee infantry
Aussoldner - 'professional' soldiers, medium melee infantry with hurbat
Armbrustschutzen/Mounted Armbrustschutzen - medium/heavy crossbowmen
Burgmannen - medium/heavy spearmen with hurlbat
Knechte - Tier1/Tier 2 unprofessional pikemen
Landskechte - Tier 3 professional pikemen
Trabanten - Bohemian paid soldiers (archers)
Landwehr/Landmannen - halberdiers
Miliz - light infantry/light crossbowmen
Arkenbusenshcutze - Tier 3 handgunners
Last edited by The_Fawn_Rescuer; February 22, 2017 at 08:28 AM.
Ordinarius
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
You could probably add some Hungarian and Burgundian units to the Austrian roster as the Duchy of Burgundy (at least what wasn't in French possession at the time of the union, so the Burgundian Netherlands and eventually Franche-Comté) and the Kingdom of Hungary were both under union with the Duke of Austria at some point in the 15th century. Some Hungarian hussars would definitely be an awesome addition.
Semisalis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
It is called schÜtzen not schutzen and AussÖldner - but a Söldner is a mercenary - don´t know if this is the right Name.
And instead of dismounted Ritter I would call them Ritter zu Fuß - or - Abgesessene Ritter
I will make a list of typical german names for their soldiers... maybe i can find some!
Here are also some medieval houses from Austria and this timeframe:
As I said - i wouldn´t paint the kngihts red White red... only the Duke himself cause he is from the house Babenburg... all the others a different houses with different colour sheme... personally it is to much red and White in this army
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herren_von_Wildon#Wappen
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuenringer
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herren_von_Walsee#Linie_Walsee-Linz
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raabs_(Adelsgeschlecht)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafen_von_Plain
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andechs_(Adelsgeschlecht)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnstein_(Adelsgeschlecht)
I will add a lot more by the time hehe
Last edited by Archilles; February 22, 2017 at 08:44 AM.
Semisalis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Yes that would be great!
Textures for Austria are absolutly no Problem! New Units?! I would love to help you guys
Tiro
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
I know about the umlauts. I had a similar problem with the French and Castilian rosters, because the game doesn't allow accents or umlauts (at least, not the english version) perhaps there is a way to fix this? As a German speaker it frustrates me especially on this roster. In lieu of umlauts, I could add 'E' instead? For example, Ausssoeldner, schuetzen, etc. Perhaps this would also be more historical, I remember reading a long time ago that the umlaut is a modern addition to the language anyway. It's why Goethe is spelled that way, rather than Göthe.
I almost did this, but I'm concerned about making the roster ENTIRELY in German. Most of our rosters tend to combine the other languages with English, at least a bit so it's not too confusing to those who aren't familiar with the units as much.
Thanks a lot! Keep it coming!I will make a list of typical german names for their soldiers... maybe i can find some!
Here are also some medieval houses from Austria and this timeframe:
As I said - i wouldn´t paint the kngihts red White red... only the Duke himself cause he is from the house Babenburg... all the others a different houses with different colour sheme... personally it is to much red and White in this army
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herren_von_Wildon#Wappen
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuenringer
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herren_von_Walsee#Linie_Walsee-Linz
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raabs_(Adelsgeschlecht)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafen_von_Plain
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andechs_(Adelsgeschlecht)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnstein_(Adelsgeschlecht)
I will add a lot more by the time heheAny additional insight you have into the other Duchies of HRE would be welcome as well.
Tiro
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
I wouldn't mind handing over Austria. PM me or Sly whenever you want to get started.
Tiro
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
I think that Handrohrschütze might be a more accurate name for the time period, as arkebuse (arquebus) refers more to the firearms of 16th century.
Also while i think the throwing axes add a cool unique touch i think that they should be reserved for a few maybe regionally specific units, as they still weren't that common weapons as far as I know.
I'm really happy right now to see that the German factions are being worked on and cant wait to see more changes.
Miles
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
@Archilles
"Aussöldner" is correct, most armies in Renaissance period or the early modern age were mercenary-armies anyway, but in 16.century existed also a similar unit type which was called "Doppelsöldner" (men who fight in the frontlines and get the doubled sold). They are more known, but a little bit too late for the timeframe. The whole reformation of the military system going away from knights, heavy cavalry and archers to masses of Landsknechts, guns and cannons was introduced by Maximilian I. of Habsburg (1449-1519), so only the beginning of these tactics could be shown in this mod.
@Fawn Rescuer
Yeah, you could use "oe" instead of "ö" and "ue" instead of "ü". It will add even more immersion! But I would also suggest the name "Ritter zu Fuß" or "Abgesessene Ritter", dismounted Ritter really sounds too strange. In exchange for that you could leave names like "Bogenschützen/Armbrustschützen" as "archers/crossbows" (don´t feel that this is so important to translate that) or "Arkebusenschützen" could simply be named "Arkebusiers". (think this term was common in german lands too)
Btw; cool thing, that you are making this.
WE HAVE NO CAKE!
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
I don't claim to know much of heralrdy or noble houses but I thought I'd give some extra coats of arms that could be used for the Duchy of Brabant, because right now it seems to only have that of the Duchy itself and I presume that you'll make it a bit more diverse once you get to the revamp of the vassals.
Now this is of course in no way exhaustive and very much lacking as it's 2am and I've been going to bed for the last 1,5 hours now.
Coat of arms of several Brabantian towns:
Town of Leuven.
Town of Antwerp.
Town of Breda. (the red one that is)
The Duchy of Limburg joined Brabant after the battle of Wörringen in 1288, its weapon can already be seen quartered with that of Brabant in the high era knights. It being a fairly influential duchy with a war fought over its succession probably deserves a place on some shields.
The lands of Overmaas, mostly in the current dutch province of Limburg, were added in that or the next century as well due to their strategic position. The most significant house here probably being that of Valkenburg but their coat of arms is almost a copy of that of the duchy of Limburg as the lands of Overmaas were deeply linked to that duchy. A girl from that house did manage to marry an English prince who became King of Germany.
Another noble house would be that of Hoensbroek, whose dominion was only the village near it as far as I know so pretty insignificant I suppose but they did have a neat castle.
I don't think either are worth putting on a shield really, just wanted to share some local history.
The County of Loon, which lies in between Brabant and its Limburgian possesions could possibly be included as well. It was never a part of the duchy, it joined the prince-bishopric of Liège in the 14th century, but the mod can't represent that of course and its incredibly boring striped coat of arms breaks up the lion fetish Brabant and Limburg have going on a bit.
Of course you could expand it to also include other states that miss out like the Prince-bishopric of Liège, Namur, Hainaut and the like.
Semisalis
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Yes I know that there were a lot of Söldner armys around the Renaissance@Archilles
"Aussöldner" is correct, most armies in Renaissance period or the early modern age were mercenary-armies anyway, but in 16.century existed also a similar unit type which was called "Doppelsöldner" (men who fight in the frontlines and get the doubled sold). They are more known, but a little bit too late for the timeframe. The whole reformation of the military system going away from knights, heavy cavalry and archers to masses of Landsknechts, guns and cannons was introduced by Maximilian I. of Habsburg (1449-1519), so only the beginning of these tactics could be shown in this mod.
@Fawn Rescuer
Yeah, you could use "oe" instead of "ö" and "ue" instead of "ü". It will add even more immersion! But I would also suggest the name "Ritter zu Fuß" or "Abgesessene Ritter", dismounted Ritter really sounds too strange. In exchange for that you could leave names like "Bogenschützen/Armbrustschützen" as "archers/crossbows" (don´t feel that this is so important to translate that) or "Arkebusenschützen" could simply be named "Arkebusiers". (think this term was common in german lands too)
Btw; cool thing, that you are making this.
Citizen
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Well the mod goes to 1500 and as far as I know the landsknecht started appearing in the late XVth century so there is a very small window of crossover.
Senator
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
The Landsknecht will be in the mod, but as a Pikemen and not a giant two handed swordsmen.
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
I don't know much about this fantasy discussion, but i actually really like the updated units. Especially the dismounted knights. I had always expected and wished for the dismounted knights to be as the other great western kingdoms, but this actually adds some uniqueness to the knightly class, yet with the western feel. So i am satisfied with the new models
Tiro
Re: Medieval Kingdoms Total War: The Holy Roman Empire (REVAMP)
Some more thought on the German factions' roster:
I like the idea of Landwehr as halberdiers, but i think they should be more of a light halberd unit. Landwehr are pretty much semi-professional militias and I think their equipment should reflect that. i obviously haven't seen their model yet, but I think a look similar to the Hussite units (without any religious insignia obviously) would be pretty appropriate.
This may be a bit controversial, but I sort of think that the Landsknechte should be only available to the Holy Roman Empire initially. The first Landsknecht regiments were founded by Emperor Maximillian I in an attempt to create a standing Imperial army and only when Germany tore itself to shreds during the wars of the Reformation in the 16th and 17th centuries did they become infamous mercenaries. I have no idea whether something like this could be implemented, but ideally I would suggest some sort of mechanic where if the HRE continues losing with them, has economic difficulties, doesn't pay them or something similar they would desert and become available to surrounding factions as mercenaries.
Aussölder I kind of feel should really be only a 15th or maybe also 14th century unit when mercenaries became more common.
Burgmannen could be expanded to cover multiple roles such as melee infantry, spearmen and crossbowmen, filling similar roles to serjeants in the old roster.
Another idea could be to add Stadtwachen or Stadtgardisten (city watch or city guard). These could be professional units that would be recruitable in Free Imperial Cities or other major towns and would be higher level troops than militias and would be well equiped and paid by the rich cities. They could honestly fill a pretty wide array of roles such as halberdiers, melee infantry, spearmen or crossbowmen.
Adding some low tier levy units would also make sense.
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