Originally Posted by
marmalade
I agree with Pinarius. The visual distinction is cool and all but those manuscript illustrations seem to be pretty clearly showing the knights using a one-handed sword in both hands, with one hand clasped over another.
Perhaps. One of the theories is that handles gradually grew longer over a long period of time, perhaps as the style of fighting changed. My personal opinion is that two-handed sword use became more common as maille armor became more common, because a two-handed swing or thrust is more likely to wound a man in chainmail (depending on the quality of the armor). There is plenty of evidence, however, of swords with handles long enough to be gripped with two hands. Also, the earliest known German longsword tradition comes from Johannes Liechtenauer, who lived sometime during the mid 14th century. Though none of his own works survive, the works of his students (which I have read many times) all claim that the arts he taught were already very old even by the time Liechtenauer was alive, suggesting a German tradition going back at least to the 1200s. You can read more about it here: https://www.academia.edu/2331258/Ear...m_and_Function, and there are surviving 13th century examples here: https://myarmoury.com/feature_spotxii.html, and even one found in the mountains of Poland dating from the 12th century! Here is a link to a swordsmith I know who made this reproduction of it (with pictures of the original as well: http://artofswordmaking.com/gallery/...ongsword-12thc
Originally Posted by
Slytacular
The Estonian kettle helmets were more of a Scandinavian feature than a German one. The fur makes the Austrians look more winter themed than the Norwegians, and I would like to see more of Narf's older German Sallets used for Austrians. Better yet, do the Austrians a little more justice to their actual portrayal:
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/sear...tution=&page=2
Those bulb-shaped kettles are pretty common in german artwork as well
Here are two examples of specifically Austrian origin, one with the kind of bulbous helmet (possibly a kettle, but I'm more concerned with the shape being similar to the asset we have than the type of helmet it is, though the presence of that kind of kettle elsewhere in Germany, given the sparcity of specifically Austrian sources from that period, I think is justification enough), and one with horns:
As to the helmets I chose for late period - I wasn't aware that narf helmet was german in origin. Do you know what helmet it's based on? The reason I didn't use it is this: One distinct thing about sallets from Germany is that they very often have longer tails than elsewhere in Europe (you have also told me this yourself). Therefore, even though in real life they probably wouldn't all have long sallets like that, I think it is a good way to set them apart visually, and we have enough assets that it also still provides a decent variety. Those sallets you designed, btw - so excellent!
Originally Posted by
finix
What I will say now is a personal opinion and does not involve anyone from our team. Personally, like an artist who has made all unit cards in the mod, and as a fan of the medieval times, as someone who is just have a look and idea of weaponry and armor in this times I wish Fawn to give yourself a break from making units. I do not want to be perceived as a personal attack, but I can not remain silent moreIt's not something that don't said before - Your units look more fantasy than historically correct - Austrian knights and helmets with horns!!!! Absurd
Sorry that I sound like dunce, but in my opinion it is hurting the historicity of this mod. Otherwise you are super for fantasy mod
Finix, I'm starting to get a little upset that every time I post something you accuse me of being too 'fantasy.' I really don't like fantasy, and everything I do for this mod, I do with strong basis in reality. I don't think you understand how important historical accuracy in this mod is to me. It is, in my opinion, paramount. There are DOZENS of examples of german horned helmets in artwork. However, that could be just artistic interpretation, right? Maybe manuscripts don't always reflect reality. Ok, I'll allow for that. Well, there are also DOZENS of examples of horned helmets in effigies, which can be considered much more true to life in their interpretation. Here are a few that I found without much effort:
I believe in things looking historical, but there's no reason I can't also make the units look fly as hell - as long as I follow the sources 
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I would like to say that I appriciate that you insist on your point of view Fawn and explain it to us all using historical sources. Now I really like your idea of early period of two-handed swordsmen for German factions because it really adds variety and uniqueness. In my opinion every faction should have at least one unit that somehow differentiate them from the others and make them more playing enjoyable. I also admit that some of the variants look a little bit too Nordish like bear skins ... but in general I like your interpretation of Austria Such as all of your work.
Any additional insight you have into the other Duchies of HRE would be welcome as well.
