Clearing Up Misconceptions about Islam

[basics]

Mohammed don't say Jesus was wrong, he says your concept of Jesus and god is wrong.

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squirel,

Then if Jesus is not wrong and speaks for God as is written then Mohammed must be wrong because you cannot have two prophets from God teaching opposing doctrine. So if Mohammed corroborates Jesus' prophetic credentials he cannot then go on to say that Jesus was wrong. It has nothing to do with my concept of Jesus as I believe everything written about Him which has been written since Moses filled us in regarding how life started and Moses was a prophet too. Oh, and every single prophet of God was Jewish unlike the latter two, them being Mohammed and Joseph Smith them coincidentaly having angelic encounters and both opposing Jesus Christ. So Jesus had all the prophets and angels prior to His birth rather than the others.

[squirel]

squirel,

Then if Jesus is not wrong and speaks for God as is written then Mohammed must be wrong because you cannot have two prophets from God teaching opposing doctrine. So if Mohammed corroborates Jesus' prophetic credentials he cannot then go on to say that Jesus was wrong. It has nothing to do with my concept of Jesus as I believe everything written about Him which has been written since Moses filled us in regarding how life started and Moses was a prophet too. Oh, and every single prophet of God was Jewish unlike the latter two, them being Mohammed and Joseph Smith them coincidentaly having angelic encounters and both opposing Jesus Christ. So Jesus had all the prophets and angels prior to His birth rather than the others.

Yeah which is why they didn't teach opposing doctrine.

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[Cyrene]

Fardin,Is Jesus a prophet remembering that prophets cannot lie if they are of God? Is Mohammed a prophet who cannot lie? If the answer to both is yes then what Jesus said throughout His earthly life has to be true, why? Because Mohammed says He, Jesus, is a prophet and by saying that He was wrong Mohammed thus contradicts himself and therefore cannot be a prophet of God. Jesus' words must therefore take priority over Mohammed's because Mohammed admits that Jesus was a prophet and could not lie yet by saying He was wrong makes Mohammed himself wrong as he says Jesus is a prophet. All the nice excuses in the world cannot get you out of this dilemma.

I'm really puzzled on how you have trouble understanding that point when the Bible is full of these examples, all those prophets sent to correct the beliefs of the newer Generations, for example the Golden Calf the Israelites worshiped, this was during the life of Moses.

when you believe this to be true, how then do you dismiss the claim that Jesus' Teaching were distorted over the centuries?

[PointOfViewGun]

basics, why are you still unable to back up a simple claim you made pages ago? We wasted dozens of posts on it, yet you're unable to provide any substance for it. When challenged with the same logic you tried using in the absence of a concrete evidence your arguments were nowhere to be found. Why is it so hard to show us that Muhammad wanted people to hate their neighbors?

[basics]

basics, why are you still unable to back up a simple claim you made pages ago? We wasted dozens of posts on it, yet you're unable to provide any substance for it. When challenged with the same logic you tried using in the absence of a concrete evidence your arguments were nowhere to be found. Why is it so hard to show us that Muhammad wanted people to hate their neighbors?

Setekh,

The answer is quite simple by picking up a paper or watch TV or search the internet and see for yourself what the so-called jihadists are doing by their own interpretation of the koran. That a Muslim might kill or rape or steal or lie always seems to come down to a small word, " if " If they don't do what you want then do to them whatever you will which is usually to kill. That's the koran which Mohammed gave to you.

Cyrene,

The Israelites were always falling away or turning away from God and that is why prophets were sent to bring them back into line. The golden calf incident happened when Moses was up the mount and lasted no more than the time he was there which was no longer than a few days if that. Those that did give worship to that idol were quickly dealt with by God.

Was Jesus a prophet? You know a prophet cannot lie so why did Mohammed declare Him a prophet? And no a prophet of God from any age must have the same core message and Jesus did by His actions, His words and His worship as can be seen by all that was prophecised before about Him. Now here's a thing for you to ponder, when the churches that He began one of the most important posts within the church was given not just to men alone but also women. Guess what that is? Prophecy! Get round that one?

[PointOfViewGun]

Setekh,

The answer is quite simple by picking up a paper or watch TV or search the internet and see for yourself what the so-called jihadists are doing by their own interpretation of the koran. That a Muslim might kill or rape or steal or lie always seems to come down to a small word, " if " If they don't do what you want then do to them whatever you will which is usually to kill. That's the koran which Mohammed gave to you.

Another post with no real substance. Your inability to source your claims is becoming really embarrassing. You even failed to apply the same logic to bad things Christians do. Overall, your deflection argument doesn't even make sense. There are over a billion and half Muslims in this world. If they lived their lives truly in line with what you're saying here there would be hell of a lot more deaths to count. Yet, overwhelming majority of Muslims don't follow or support such a practice. So, will you waste more posts to deflect from admitting that you basically lied about what Muhammad said?

[Cyrene]

Cyrene,

The Israelites were always falling away or turning away from God and that is why prophets were sent to bring them back into line. The golden calf incident happened when Moses was up the mount and lasted no more than the time he was there which was no longer than a few days if that. Those that did give worship to that idol were quickly dealt with by God.

are you suggesting that the Israelites were the only people to turn away from Yahweh/God in the Bible? because that's not true, what about the People of Abraham, Noah, etc? don't you realise that [From a biblical perspective] many of the Polytheist religions were later distortions of Monotheism? I'm not saying the Early teachings of Jesus' must've changed, it's just that dismissing this significant possibility in such cold manner is quite ridiculous.

Was Jesus a prophet? You know a prophet cannot lie so why did Mohammed declare Him a prophet? And no a prophet of God from any age must have the same core message and Jesus did by His actions, His words and His worship as can be seen by all that was prophecised before about Him. Now here's a thing for you to ponder, when the churches that He began one of the most important posts within the church was given not just to men alone but also women. Guess what that is? Prophecy! Get round that one?

what you don't understand is: Muhammad does not acknowledge certain concepts in the New testament and Christianity as the original teachings of Jesus', Particularly the doctrines of Trinity and Original Sin.

EDIT: last time i checked, Monotheism was the core principle of the Biblical Prophets and Muhammad.

[basics]

basics, why are you still unable to back up a simple claim you made pages ago? We wasted dozens of posts on it, yet you're unable to provide any substance for it. When challenged with the same logic you tried using in the absence of a concrete evidence your arguments were nowhere to be found. Why is it so hard to show us that Muhammad wanted people to hate their neighbors?

Setekh,

Supposing we were face to face and I said that Mohammed was a plonker, would you kill me? And if so, why?

Yes bigdaddy as we have said for years here, isis has nothing to do with islam in practice, but yet we have people (non-muslims) in this board/forum who claim isis is islam in practice. what is interesting is that the extremists on both sides thinks exactly the same. their very though process is identical. Another thing mentioned in your link was that people educated in the religion was less likely to sign up for suicide bombing.

squirel,

If there was no Islam there would be no Isis. They exist because they are Muslims. They most certainly are not Christian, Hindhu, Budhist or anything other than Muslims and they are following what the koran tells them.

[PointOfViewGun]

Setekh,

Supposing we were face to face and I said that Mohammed was a plonker, would you kill me? And if so, why?

Sigh... Lengths you're going to deflect from providing any substance to back up a claim you make. You could call him anything you want. Will that change the fact that you made a claim you can't back up or acknowledge the failure of?

[basics]

Sigh... Lengths you're going to deflect from providing any substance to back up a claim you make. You could call him anything you want. Will that change the fact that you made a claim you can't back up or acknowledge the failure of?

Setekh,

It's not a deflection at all because my question if answered honestly will give you the answer you look for. Would you kill me?

Inhuman One,

Do you know any Christian fundamentalists? Every post I make is in defence of the Bible's accuracy concerning Jesus Christ and Him crucified which in detail stretches from Genesis to Revelation so please tell me what I don't know about it?

[PointOfViewGun]

Setekh,

It's not a deflection at all because my question if answered honestly will give you the answer you look for. Would you kill me?

It wouldn't make a difference even if my answer was yes, that I would kill you, though it's completely retarded that you're even asking that, twice. Facts don't work like that. Someone's behaviour is not a proof of what someone said centuries ago. Seriously. This is so embarrassing. You made a claim that he said something, and we're here waiting for you to post the slightest source on Muhammad saying that we should hate our neighbour. This is beyond ridiculous now. Come on. You're not fooling anyone.

[Fardin]

It's not a deflection at all because my question if answered honestly will give you the answer you look for. Would you kill me?

Inhuman One,

Do you know any Christian fundamentalists? Every post I make is in defence of the Bible's accuracy concerning Jesus Christ and Him crucified which in detail stretches from Genesis to Revelation so please tell me what I don't know about it?

I as a Muslim won't kill you but I'll demand proofs and then I'll insist on it then I think you will disappear or do what you're doing now(Shirking).
Christianity is distorted and it has nothing to do with the original version.Most of the Christian teachings are artificial.

[squirel]

Setekh,

Supposing we were face to face and I said that Mohammed was a plonker, would you kill me? And if so, why?



squirel,

If there was no Islam there would be no Isis. They exist because they are Muslims. They most certainly are not Christian, Hindhu, Budhist or anything other than Muslims and they are following what the koran tells them.

no, as previously showed.

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[bigdaddy1204]

they are following what the koran tells them.

This is all rather boring. No, they are not following what the Quran tells them. Would you claim that someone who eats meat every day is a vegetarian? In fact, did you even read the link I posted?

[bigdaddy1204]

New documents show that members of ISIS don’t know anything about Islam.The Associated Press has analyzed over 3,000 questionnaires filled out by ISIS recruits. And it turns out that this supposedly fundamentalist Islamic army is full of people who don’t know anything about the religion. Recruits were asked to rank their knowledge of Islamic law on a scale of one to three. Seventy percent had the lowest score, or only “basic” knowledge of Sharia, while 24 percent had “intermediate” knowledge, and just 5 percent were “advanced.”

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1360...ow-squat-islam

[squirel]

New documents show that members of ISIS don’t know anything about Islam.The Associated Press has analyzed over 3,000 questionnaires filled out by ISIS recruits. And it turns out that this supposedly fundamentalist Islamic army is full of people who don’t know anything about the religion. Recruits were asked to rank their knowledge of Islamic law on a scale of one to three. Seventy percent had the lowest score, or only “basic” knowledge of Sharia, while 24 percent had “intermediate” knowledge, and just 5 percent were “advanced.”

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1360...ow-squat-islam

Yes bigdaddy as we have said for years here, isis has nothing to do with islam in practice, but yet we have people (non-muslims) in this board/forum who claim isis is islam in practice. what is interesting is that the extremists on both sides thinks exactly the same. their very though process is identical. Another thing mentioned in your link was that people educated in the religion was less likely to sign up for suicide bombing.

[Inhuman One]

The interesting thing is that pretty much all christian fundamentalists know little of the bible too.

A curious thing that fundamentalists shout the loudest about something they know very little of. Kind of shows how mentally challenged they tend to be.

[Fardin]

Thanks for time you take on our core religion discussion, besides the points which are adressed to other posters here.
Let me mention, that my expressed points scratch here only the surface of the aspects, but i try to make some substanctial points. I'm old and have a great wide knowledge aka could go into depth a lot, but i won't because i can't do it here as for several reasons (one important is, not motivated enough for TWC and TWC is definitely rather a frustrating experience in everything that is not around games; and just time, and just not at last, it would fill books. Also, it is not only meant personal to you, but common expressed thoughts in a forum.
Nonetheless, my viewpoint(s) again in short form, because i like you for your passion and also for your idealism and for your trial to keep your kindness in this forum, as far it is possible.

Firstly,Thank you for your kind words.
I understand that it doesn't worth to spend much time here because it is absolutely boring sometimes because of some ignorants.

- All what you have citated (blue) which has wisdom in it without doubt, is collected wisdom from over centuries of years of wise old men and women. It's reflection of what was gained as knowledge to the date until it was written.
- The core is belief in a one-god, which formerly was a belief in multiple gods. The messages existed already, some of them were then overworked and brought uptodate in the 7th century, for the local situation.
- It is not a muslim philosophy (or religion) originated by them, but sampled from diverse folks of or living in the orient at the time (shall i really list them up all) and also who migrated there piecefully or also by war (example, Greeks), plus a very active trade and urban life made up a big factor. The Arab rule (or muslim rule) used all that more or less properly, advanced it partially to very good results. The oriental knowledge centers are known aka were famous. Nonetheless, shall we look up the many religions and philosophies and their main protagonaists, which existed and provided the basics for the Abrahamic religions? I would like rather to give this as (long-enduring) homework to you (if you like), if you are not already aware of the historical facts (or at least what is taken as facts by scientists and authors and artists).

Your words really make sense, but you should notice that who was the Muhammad? An uneducated shepherd and worker, the things you say like collecting knowledge and updating them and.... only suits for a great group of philosophers(not only one) or a system of Think tanks but who are you talking about? You think only a simple uneducated man who lived between savage and uncivilized people can do this?
It would be interesting to know that the Confusius was a prophet too.

- The next core item is just, but i repeat myself, that the people had a strong belief in gods and then a one-god (became the new thing) - this god-belief is implanted so to speak into the genes, because it is culture for thousands of years. The people there were also easy to influence, much much easier than today ... authority and purity and non-education and fear.

All true.

- When i speak of science knowledge, then i speak of the standing of science today, not the one of the antique or middleage! The objective scientific analysis makes a belief into a god illogical (as you interpete it, it must be felt in the heart, that's correct, agreed ... but it is your imagination, a product of your brain).

I've seen many things beyond science in my life but you know I can not tell them here because of various reasons.
It's not only a product of my brain, you should add 1.5 billions plus other monotheists, I think you are dismissing the most of the world.If you are lucky you can see many events like miracle in Arbaeen pilgrimage.

- A religion is but fine, if it makes people still glad and provides law and order, a rule of law. But, this is not necessary anymore today, because example, in secular societies, it goes also, when the state is not a Gods-state.

Yes, secular countries are a good example, Just look at what they've done to the world by creating terrorists. You can see a good example of secular thought in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Religion is like a break, It avoids these kinds of brutalities. The secular countries are disgracing the religions by launching shows that real people get killed by their own recruited terrorists. The first words that sparks in my mind when I hear about the secular thoughts is the "Idealism".We prefer the realism, we do not like chanting the fake slogans.
You can see this perspective if you look fair.

- Why? Because the ethics are all to find in the society incl. of course laws and rules, which are also fed by the ethics of religions, but that religion-item is private not a states-order or government-task (i couldn't live in a non-secular state). It is in the heart and souls of the people, if the education and/or socialisation doesn't fail (which unfortunately often happens).
- A religion but, has potential for conflict, and to this comes the fact, that believers can say "God wills it" (you know, that from the crusades, as analogy, still valid ... you reject that idiocy, fine, but it's not determining what you think and believe). This is also very bad, because it takes away responsibility, the one of the individuum. This is similar to crazed people who make in their life, and say, something spoke to me, i couldn't do it in another way.

A false religion starts conflicts, who started the crusades? Definitely not the Muslims. the Salahuddin was always merciful but the Christians used to kill all of the captives and civilians, so...
I think that secular ideology (rather than religious ideology) takes responsibility away because there is no inhibition in that so you are able to do any crime and brutality(not just in public) and you don't have to answer to anyone about it because you are free,am I right?
If you look at the world with justice you can see that.

- To this comes also still, that in particular the Islam, but also orthodox christianity has clearly a segregative and indoctrine force, this starts with the roles of men and women, and ends with the many dogmas. As said it is a society manager, that was the plan by the people (the old priests) to bring out rules. What had to be the power to put enough fear to the people? Gods and then just later a one-god (the Almighty, who sees everything ... live properly, then you come into paradise, etc. etc.).
- I could go on and on and on.
- Sorry, brother. But, i respect religious people, when they don't try to missionate me. And, if they aren't extreme or even agressive in their belief which stands also for ideology.
- Those, the agressive ones, are the most bad people, aka practically fascist, and especially people who haven't learned the sense of the human rights, solidarity and empathy, but see themselves (often) religious ... i'm much more religious by the measures of the holy books than many so-called religious people, but i don't sign the God thing, I sign the Nature thing.
This because the nature aka nature sciences and also social sciences plus art-sciences give the answers for the life/about life (and history), besides of course living the life itself (you talked about, what would be ... you would seek for answers ...well i say, the life is the answer, it will bring the answers, it can at least ... a religion is the lazy way in my book).
This learning is a process, which should be furthered as much as it is possible and individually (depends on the person's will and energy/capability), and can form a proper human and optional then a proper society. This is the task!
You say it needs the Islam and a god for this and even more you say He is the one who created all and everything and is Almighty. I say, no ... wrong, an antiquated view which lives on in the humans by culture. This (god) exists only in the human's hope and perception, when they have learned it so by indoctrination from childhood on.

I agree with you but Islamic laws are ideal for the humans but some people break them like the other outlaws in other societies, You blame the whole society because of the outlaws?
You should notice that the ideology you are defending has violated every human rights and supports those who do it.The religious illiteracy makes the heretic jerks, The religion itself is not a bad thing but I'm not sure about some of the people who practice it.
If you haven't noticed yet, I should say we have the exactly same opinions but sgainst each other's ideology,our aim is same but the ways are different,the only way that you can follow my way is: You should be fair and face the Shia scholars like you've studied in science, You should see the both way to choose wisely.
I am definitely sure that you'll get convinced by them.

And this goes with the contemporary knowledge, instead with a worldview, that was philosophered circa 1500 years and more ago - this is progress, positive progress if understood right, because it frees up for new horizons.
Or i could also say "living in the Now" (instead in the past) or who goes into details by studying a lot different departments (incl. religions and archeo-/history, of course) and from the life itself with open eyes "experiencing/learning the life and universum" (which is the nature), and the very reason, why religion goes not hand in hand with progressive science. For you it is all god and ready (the easy way), for me it is all nature (which is subject to be learned/researched), what you but call god (the nature).
Also, the good is in the people, as well as is the agression, it's in our genes and then education is the factor/trigger which makes unfolds the capabilites (or just not, if education fails).
The latter, the agression, can be solved with love and peace education alone plus enough freedom and self-unfolding! The agression can also be supported/furthered, of course, by education.
If this education is used by a religion, especially the Abrahmamic ones, then it but will without doubt go with dogmas and opression. Just in the moment, when something is forced ... and believe me, a religious belief is a forced item, if not the person has a free choice. I have but no problems with the contents of religions, which manage certain daily life aka are life-help, and if it is uptodate or old wisdom updated! That is just what education must do, but must also verify or lead the child to self-unfolding and freedom of choice, a full capable person, this by all means btw. independent of the gender! The Islamic world has lots to do, as has the western and overall christian/jewish world, as well as the buddhist and hinduist etc. world. It's up to the people, not religions. The hope can only be: Do it before the world blows up or the earth gets otherwise a not anymore sane platform for the life.

As I said our thoughts are same but with the difference in the God belief itself so don't make a wall between yourself and Islam, you are almost a 60% Muslim,You can solve the God belief issue with yourself only with a short trip to Iran,Qom and talking with an Islamic propagandist in the Islamic Seminary(don't worry about the safety, Iran is much more safer than Europe).If you were lucky you'll find one who knows German language.If you are interested, maybe I could find one in Europe.

Similarly to the discussion I had with Setekh, I think I understand this idea but doesn't it tread terribly close to the No True Scotsman fallacy? When there seem to be significant numbers of self-identified Muslims who are less adamant than you on this point - who will say that violence in the name of Islam is acceptable, even just, and not merely in self defense - it does not seem enough to simply say they are not true Muslims, does it?

Excuse me? True Muslims? They are not even that worthy to be called animals, Where did you met those Muslims who like Islam to be disgraced?

This is why I avoid holy books. Arguments about what they "really" mean are pointless and - from my perspective - a total waste of time. What matters is the actions a people are willing to take, the laws and interpretation of those laws that a society lives by.

I can't 100% agree with your identification of ignorance as either a sufficient or necessary condition for terrorism. Babies are generally ignorant, does that make them necessarily terrorists? And weren't a number of high profile terrorists like the 9/11 hijackers quite well educated? There may be a relationship but I don't think you've quite winkled it out. Certainly it's not sufficient to accuse TWC members of terrorist inclinations on account of their not being as well informed about your country as they could be.

Don't take it as an offence but I think you are justifying your laziness about researching in Islam, when I was reading Bible I had the same feeling but I read it after all but I'm not really sure it was a waste of time actually instead of that I think I've increased my knowledge and this is enough for me.

Educated in what? definetly not in Islam,If the baby remains ignorant, yes he has a great potential, I've seen many terrorists who have been arrested in Iran and then we've guided them to Islam and now they are Shia, My knowledge about the terrorism is first hand because I know some of the former Wahhabies and terrorists and they've told me exactly the same words I'm telling to you now, The Ignorance has many branches and each one of them leads to the same source so I repeat again that the Ignorance is the basic of terrorism and brutality. You can find ignorants in every corner of the world but they have different names and titles, one is a senator in US, another one is a president or will become one, one works in the police and so on but due to the different social conditions they commit different crimes compared to the each other.
The reason I'm insisting on the ignorant's word is: You can justify your crimes for them much more easier than for knowledgeable persons, for example if the government of Iran does a terrorist action like the ones which ISIS does, The Iranians(and Islamic clerics) themselves will destroy that government rather than a foreign country but in the same case you can see nobody in US act seriously against the war crimes are committed by US and its allies, even you can see some guys are supporting and loving one of those allies(look at the last comments of my other thread). Supporting the brutality(Instead of "not being well informed") is a sign of terrorism,Am I right?

This also brings me back to the discussion Setekh and I had. Would you agree with us that the tendency to accept violence in the name of Islam (erroneous as this may be from a strict theological perspective) is more indicative of military and economic hardship these people are under? Is this a case of people bending their ideology to actions they find themselves inclined or forced to take in self defense? I could understand that, although I still wonder about guys like Osama Bin Ladin, who could hardly be seen as ill-educated or destitute. Some of these people are clearly well educated and from privileged backgrounds. Yet the majority of their followers/victims are likely as you describe.But all this still leaves us with the "what to do" question. Suppose the vast majority of people within the Islamic world who are becoming more accepting of violence in the name of Islam are - as Setekh stated - doing so more because of terrible hardships for which the West is at least partially culpable. How can we turn this around?

Acceptance of brutality is no different than the terrorism, actually it's one of the branches of terrorism.
Advanced terrorism with advanced leaders is created by western powers to create a new middle east, it is a part of divide and conquer policy which is the western governments favorite.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The new middle east is for keeping the Israel safe and dominant:

If you want to remove the Weeds you must destroy the root, any other solution is temporary and will have much worse consequences, now you tell me what should we do? Where are the roots?

[THE HIGHLANDER]

Are you talking guff again basics the poor soul who was murdered in glasgow, was from a different branch of islam who believed muhammed was not the last prophet and was preaching he was a prophet of islam, ya waz, on social media, utube etc, and getting quite a following too, was plastered all over the uk tv for months on all channels and media just google it you deceiver basics, snake springs to mind

you will make up anything to suit your twisted racist ,bigoted cult.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ctarian-attack,

Jesus would be ashamed of you basics you are so bitter and vicious towards other human beings its pitiful, i am sorry to anyone who visits these forums and reads a fellow scotsmans views on other human beings,
who just happen to be born in a crappy crazy country run by fanatics like yourself who worship stone age gods,and a book written by stone age people who would worship a lightbulb if they had seen one working lol
you make me ashamed to think you were brought up in the same country as me, you are a fanatic and a troll, you and your brethren put isis to shame every day, and isis have a long way to go to match the evil deeds performed by christians since the incept of said cult.
you just have to pick up your bible to see what a homicidal ,raping ,enslaving, god you worship, mass killer of children who were not responsible for the acts of their parents, who in their right mind would worship such a evil deity, a deity who wishes you too worship a good man being human sacrificed, tortured and murdered on a cross, thats the mindset of the aztecs or such
sacrificing human flesh for some better harvests or such, and you wonder why the world is the way it is today with closet savages all arguing whose god is the real god, you are touched, and if you are touched that makes all you abrahamic worshipers totally nuts, savages to a man, you should have seen a psychiatrist decades ago, i could recommend one for you, if you wish. anything to help a fellow human being pm me
love is mightier than the sword and the pen, you should try loving thy neighbor and not because he worships the same cult ya dafty for a literalist you dont put much faith in jesus's words

oh ps basics you have still not answered my question from numerous posts from eons ago, dont be a hypocrite now, answer truthfully, it is him in your minds eye

Would you murder for your god, if he asked you too in one of your visions that brought you to your particular cult, ie baptists of some kind or other.
oh and you are 100% sure it is your god, before you do your usual guff, just ask questions and not answer the questions put too you in any kind of reasonable manner. and dont quote me your bible,
its a murderers handbook with some good deeds thrown in to try and brainwash the decent humans out there, as to why a god would do such evil things to other humans and be called a loving god, IS BEYOND ME

oh by the way seen jesus again last night about 12.16 am, in one of my vissssions, woooo spooky.
and he told me to tell you , you are not getting in to heaven or any of your other bigoted racist savages ,human sacrifice worshipers, who would kill at a drop of a hat if their evil deity said so
thats not what decent sky fairys do basics,
live long and for jesus,s sake dont prosper.

[basics]

THE HIGHLANDER,

He was a Muslim and killed by another Muslim. So you agree that they are crazy fanatics. That's positive. If memory serves me correctly the blood shed by so-called Christians was at the instigation of the Roman Catholic system which if you ever read a Bible would show you that it is not a Christian religion except in name. Oh and when it comes to calling Jesus just a good man that's not what He said because He declared only God to be good but that is another reason to accept and know that Jesus is indeed God because He had no sin unlike other men and women. Declared by Mohammed to be a prophet then Jesus must have spoken truly.

Now as far as being Scottish is concerned we have our own crazy fanatics calling themselves the SNP who at the stroke of a pen do threaten anyone who does not agree with them. They are the distasteful ones which I can imagine you perhaps being one of them. I am not ashamed to defend the Bible because it was the book that brought me to God, to know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour and that is what I do on these threads. For sure not everyone agrees with me but it is not me rather God that they disagree with.

God would not ask me to murder anyone but were I younger and in our armed forces I would do whatever I needed to do to protect our people. I really think you should try reading the Bible to differenciate the Old Covenant which was primarily for the Jews and the New Covenant in His blood which was to the Jew first and then the Gentiles.