[Breaking] Rise of Mordor: Release Date Hints and Speculations!

[largejack]

"When the sun is gone an the moon is dead..."

Oh no, it's a Nibiru doomsday release!

[Dragonslayerelf]

From the earliest years of Arda- This is the period that is known as the Years of the Lamps. Lasts until Years of the Sun. All in all, lasts 15 331.2 Valian Years. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Years_of_the_Lamps

Before the days of the light of Varda- This is before the creation of Arda, during the Great Music. No idea how long this is. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Ainulindal%C3%AB


The revival of Arnor- May 1, 3019. Aragorn ascends the throne. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Arnor

The enduring of Gondor- Maybe referring to how Gondor endured through the War of the Ring? http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Gondor#Th...ards_of_Gondor


The Guardian of the Wood- Ents? Appear at the end of the First Age. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Ents

The Axe of Erebor- Erebor is the Sindarin name for the Lonely Mountain. This was where Durin’s Folk resided, and was considered the greatest of the Dwarven kingdoms. Not sure what the “axe” is referencing. Could be the LOTR online weapon “Great Axe of Erebor” carried by the Orc Grim Ongburz. Or it could be the weapon from the TCG, “Axe of Erebor” which is a weapon Gimli carries. This seems to make more sense, as he’s known to carry only a single axe. Gimli was born in 2879 of the 3rd Age, and would later become the “Lord of the Glittering Caves.” Probably referring to Gimli somehow. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Gimli http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr04041 https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Ite..._Axe_of_Erebor


The Demise of the Seed of lie, and deceit- Melkor is the one who introduces lies/deceit (leads to all sorts of problems with the coming of Man). He is first defeated in the War/Battle of the Powers. Later is defeated in the War of Wrath- First Age 587. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Melkor#Years_of_the_Trees http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/War_of_Wrath

The Banning of Gorthaur- Gorthaur was an alias of Sauron (Melkor’s lieutenant). He got this name from the Grey-elves who called him “Gorthaur the Cruel.” This name is Sindarin in origin. Name also means the “dread abomination,” seems to share common etymology with Sauron. Name is eventually not used anymore, and Sauron overtakes the name. Not sure what the “banning” is referring to, especially since it uses Sauron’s old name. Maybe its referring to the period when we stopped referring to him by that name (real or fictional date, maybe). Sauron wasn’t banned or banished, as far as I can recall, he was defeated a few times. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Sauron#Origin http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Sauron#Etymology


The Day all Middle-Earth, does not fall to devour!- Hm… this is presumably a day when the forces of evil are defeated. Devour seems to be the key word? Which battle could this be referring to. Is it a battle when all of middle-earths good races come to face evil? That seems to narrow it down. This would be the Last Alliance of Elves and Men? But again, this doesn’t involve the dwarves (but dwarves did famously fall to devour, see Balrog and Erebor). The war in the north was never against something that we would consider to be so powerful as Sauron or Melkor. The battle at the black gates, sounds a bit like this, but it’s a Peter Jackson invention, IIRC and doesn’t say “devour” or anything like it. Maybe its referring to gluttony, I mean its one of the sins and Tolkien was pretty obvious on the Christianity. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/War_of_the_Last_Alliance


By the Valar, thereupon, the key is no longer concealed!-So the first stanza will tell us the date when the mod will be released, or at least be a hint.


Not by force, but by hope and loyalty, it can be revealed.-?


If lust for power and dominion reign,-?


Should knowledge attempt to delve too deep- Balrog and Erebor reference? Dwarves were prettty greedy (see "fall to devour") http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Lonely_Mountain http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Durin%27s_Bane


Then hope and endeavour shall be in vain-?


And thy spirit shall wander, the Eldar, shall weep- The first bit seems to refer to the fate of Melkor after his “final” defeat. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Melkor#Final_defeat


When the Sun is gone, and the Moon is dead- This fits with the whole prophecy given by Mandos, about the Final Battle, i.e. “he shall blacken the Sun and the Moon.” http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath


No light on thy path. No more sign, to be read.'-Doors of Durin reference?


And thus it is spoken. In our dreams, these were the words of Ëonwë, herald of Manwë, servant of Ilúvatar-Not much on Ëonwë, was a Maia, and herald/banner-bearer of Manwë. Maybe we read the lines in reference to things that would make sense to Ëonwë http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/E%C3%B6nw%C3%AB


This prophecy was recorded by Maestro1-Prophecy, makes me think of Mandos prophecy. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_of_Mandos


Personally, I think it's just a message from the dev team saying, “stop asking for ETA, it's coming when its coming, in the meantime take the time to appreciate the wonderful world Tolkien made.” The last stanza sort of supports this idea? First I’m taking the mod-team to be the Eldar. The Eldar were placed upon Arda sleeping. And they were the ones to have the most contact with the Ainur and would reasonably be the ones that Ëonwë or Manwë would contact with any sort of prophecy.


Lines 9-14 read as sort of warning. Take lines 9-11, they read as a warning against reading this with purely the motivation for “power and dominion.” Presumably, this lust is for the release date, the key. Line 12 tells us that if we do this we’re likely to just wander about not finding what we seek. The Eldar (read:mod-team) will be kind of sad/disappointed that we’re being this “brutish” about things.


Admittedly, Line 8 seems to avoid the type of hasty looking for references that I am guilty of, see above. But it does say that by “hope and loyalty, it can be revealed” I’d imagine this means- “hey check up on us on ModDB and TWC, and help us out if you can, don’t just visit us for the release.”
Lines 13 and 14 make me think of eclipses. Presumably, by the time of the eclipse(s) the date won’t be relevant? On Sept. 1, 2016, we got our annular solar eclipse, and on the 16th we got our penumbral lunar eclipse. BUT- the big one is probably the Total Solar eclipse on the 21st of August 2017. But I think this might just be completely me misreading this, as the spelling of “endeavour” makes me think they’re used to “Queen’s English” (i.e. not going to be using US references) and the August 2017 date is far too off.


Anyways, that’s me speculating. Hope this helps someone.

I think I can help where you were confused.

Not by force, but by hope and loyalty, it can be revealed. - If we remain loyal to the project and it's work, we can decipher the meaning or possibly just be told the release date at a given moment. This could also be interpreted as continuing to decipher this riddle, and thus have 'hope' and be 'loyal' to the riddle to reveal the release date.


If lust for power and dominion reign,- If we become too greedy and want the release date too early, and thus we lust for 'power' or we lust for the power to influence the mod team, and 'dominion', as in the masses all grapple for the answer from the source...


Should knowledge attempt to delve too deep- Balrog and Erebor reference? Dwarves were prettty greedy (see "fall to devour") http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Lonely_Mountain http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Durin%27s_Bane
Yep. That would imply that we are too greedy and thus delved too deep, causing something evil to be unleashed upon us (IE the discontinuation of the project)


Then hope and endeavour shall be in vain - All of the hope we had for the project's success would be flushed down the toilet, all because we were too greedy to wait for them to be finished with the project!


And thy spirit shall wander, the Eldar, shall weep- The first bit seems to refer to the fate of Melkor after his “final” defeat. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Melkor#Final_defeat
We'll all wander about looking for another mod like this, but the Eldar, or the respectable individuals in the crowd, will 'weep', or be disappointed (likely because they can't find anything like it)


When the Sun is gone, and the Moon is dead- This fits with the whole prophecy given by Mandos, about the Final Battle, i.e. “he shall blacken the Sun and the Moon.” http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath
Also, going back to the second and first ages, could be a reference to the twin lamps of Valinor, or the two trees, being cut down by the enemy, (commonly allusioned to as the sun and the moon of Valinor) http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Two_Trees_of_Valinor
Also could reference eclipses, like you later think of.



No light on thy path. No more sign, to be read.'-Doors of Durin reference?
No light on the path IE no more mod updates or release hints, no more sign to be read ie no more sign of the mod devs due to our greediness, or that there are no more hints or riddles to interpret


And thus it is spoken. In our dreams, these were the words of Ëonwë, herald of Manwë, servant of Ilúvatar-Not much on Ëonwë, was a Maia, and herald/banner-bearer of Manwë. Maybe we read the lines in reference to things that would make sense to Ëonwë http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/E%C3%B6nw%C3%AB
This may also reference that, as I remember, Eonwe was something of a Hermes, and thus he is saying that he is the Hermes of the mod devs (herald of Manwe, an upper staff member who told him, servant of Iluvatar, told to him by the guy at the top).

I think the whole thing is just a large 'BE PATIENT WE'LL TELL YOU LATER', but if you really read into it there might be some date hidden amongst all of the jargon.
Anyway, I'm glad he read so far into it, and I'm just supplying a little bit more from his works with a bit of my own interpretations.

[Retiredsquirrel 1]

I think the key line is the day middle earth does not fall to devour an that day was march 25,3019 so either march 2016 or march 2017

[barnika99]

When the Sun is gone, and the Moon is dead
No light on thy path. No more sign, to be read.

And what do you think about this? "When the Sun is gone, and the Moon is dead." There will be a solar eclipse on 21th August 2017, where the Moon will cover the Sun, and thus, it will be dead, and without the Sun to light the Moon, the Moon will also be dead.
That's my guess.

21th August 2017.

[Retiredsquirrel 1]

And what do you think about this? "When the Sun is gone, and the Moon is dead." There will be a solar eclipse on 21th August 2017, where the Moon will cover the Sun, and thus, it will be dead, and without the Sun to light the Moon, the Moon will also be dead.
That's my guess.

21th August 2017.

Wow that's a good interpretation to and it makes sense either way I think we will see a 2017 released an I think the ending lines in the poem are saying that if you think about what is said to hard you will never get it. But there are dates in the poem if you look hard enough.

[Maestro1]

In the realm of Gondor, the following message was heard whilst treading along the soft shores of Belfalas near Edhellond:

'The most noble among the nobles, the wisest among the wise.
Head on, ere the night will rise'

Whether this message is delivered by Ëonwë or not is yet unknown to the men of Gondor, but perhaps others know yet, the answer shrouded in the mist of Belegaer

[Retiredsquirrel 1]

Did one of the awnsers cause you to post that?

[Retiredsquirrel 1]

Could you possibly be saying we hit the awnser HEAD ON, an ere the night will rise, I think that has to do with the name rise of mordor the night in the poem referring to mordor ( you hit the awnser head on there mordor will rise)

[Maestro1]

I don't think Eönwë's words come announced or linked to another one's words, but I do not know. Perhaps others will yet unvail the answers. We should address someone who can find hidden messages. But first we should all try to find in what direction or to whom these words point us

[crestone]

I would say Eönwë's words are directed towards Gandalf.

[Alkar]

I think the key line is the day middle earth does not fall to devour an that day was march 25,3019 so either march 2016 or march 2017

And what do you think about this? "When the Sun is gone, and the Moon is dead." There will be a solar eclipse on 21th August 2017, where the Moon will cover the Sun, and thus, it will be dead, and without the Sun to light the Moon, the Moon will also be dead.
That's my guess.

21th August 2017.

Very interesting.

[Maestro1]

Come on fellas, this one should not be hard at all. It points in a certain direction/thing-ish. Find it and move on.

No, my posts are not posted in response to someone else or a correct answer.

Yes, from now on, everything you can find in my posts has meaning as much as you can find it.

[Retiredsquirrel 1]

Cirdan was the wisest but idk about noblest anybody else?

[lazarikho]

i cant understand it since i'm not good at english at all, but that means is more closer than later?

[raeldrikp]

When will the mod be released?
It is unknown even to us. This mod is a hobby we work on in our spare time, thus we don’t have set due dates and real life slows down development.
We can say however that the community will not be able to access the first public release any earlier than 2018. This release will not be the finished product.

From Caligula on Moddb, welp...

[Maestro1]

That's because he doesn't know the answer :p
But he hasn't read the books

[Alkar]

That's because he doesn't know the answer :p
But he hasn't read the books

An answer in the books there is.

[armychowmein]

From the earliest years of Arda (The beginning of mod development)
Before the days of the light of Varda (No clue)
The revival of Arnor, the enduring of Gondor (the creation of units / factions for Arnor and for Gondor)
The Guardian of the Wood, the Axe of Erebor. (Guardian of the Wood eludes me. But Axe of Erebor may refer to the dwarf factions/units)

The Demise of the Seed of lie, and deceit, the Banning of Gorthaur (Rise of Mordor (Sauron's kingdom?) relies upon what the following stanzas imply)
The Day all Middle-Earth, does not fall to devour! (Thanksgiving? Fall time decision?)
By the Valar, thereupon, the key is no longer concealed! (When the game developers release the tool the mod developers need to edit the campaign map)
Not by force, but by hope and loyalty, it can be revealed. (cest l'vie, or it's just out of the mod developers' hands)

If lust for power and dominion reign, (If they can't get a campaign map editing tool even though they really really want to)
Should knowledge attempt to delve too deep (the "canon" aspect of this mod may be off because of how they've had to adapt a campaign to a map of Europe.)
Then hope and endeavour shall be in vain (or then the mod will be released as only a custom battle mod)
And thy spirit shall wander, the Eldar, shall weep (no elves maybe)
When the Sun is gone, and the Moon is dead (twilight? might mean the decision to release is soon coming)
No light on thy path. No more sign, to be read.' (and then it'll get released)

I read the riddle this way: There are some projects which the developers would like to finalize before releasing the mod. However, things like the campaign map can't be done until the game developer release a software tool. Perhaps the time frame for making a decision is around Autumn? Also, I don't think this riddle was intended to point to a specific date. Rather, it was meant to inform us of what's going on in a fun and entertaining way. The fact they came up with this riddle says a lot about the creativity of the developers.

[♔atthias♔]

From the earliest years of Arda (The beginning of mod development)
Before the days of the light of Varda (No clue)
The revival of Arnor, the enduring of Gondor (the creation of units / factions for Arnor and for Gondor)
The Guardian of the Wood, the Axe of Erebor. (Guardian of the Wood eludes me. But Axe of Erebor may refer to the dwarf factions/units)

The Demise of the Seed of lie, and deceit, the Banning of Gorthaur (Rise of Mordor (Sauron's kingdom?) relies upon what the following stanzas imply)
The Day all Middle-Earth, does not fall to devour! (Thanksgiving? Fall time decision?)
By the Valar, thereupon, the key is no longer concealed! (When the game developers release the tool the mod developers need to edit the campaign map)
Not by force, but by hope and loyalty, it can be revealed. (cest l'vie, or it's just out of the mod developers' hands)

If lust for power and dominion reign, (If they can't get a campaign map editing tool even though they really really want to)
Should knowledge attempt to delve too deep (the "canon" aspect of this mod may be off because of how they've had to adapt a campaign to a map of Europe.)
Then hope and endeavour shall be in vain (or then the mod will be released as only a custom battle mod)
And thy spirit shall wander, the Eldar, shall weep (no elves maybe)
When the Sun is gone, and the Moon is dead (twilight? might mean the decision to release is soon coming)
No light on thy path. No more sign, to be read.' (and then it'll get released)

I read the riddle this way: There are some projects which the developers would like to finalize before releasing the mod. However, things like the campaign map can't be done until the game developer release a software tool. Perhaps the time frame for making a decision is around Autumn? Also, I don't think this riddle was intended to point to a specific date. Rather, it was meant to inform us of what's going on in a fun and entertaining way. The fact they came up with this riddle says a lot about the creativity of the developers.

gurdian of the wood may refer to the ents

[asadyan]

Hi!
when this mod will be released?!

Is it stop working?!