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[Poach]

Religious Factions

Religious Factions blurb

From the start I've been running the Holy League with a very specific, but private, mandate and set of conditions. I've done this because I felt that posting them publicly would result in people metagaming and taking actions aimed at fulfilling certain criteria, which I don't want. I'm not giving anyone the answers to the test, so to speak. I put it all to bed when the High Septon was dropped because I didn't see it going anywhere any more, but we're back with Skylord and the Crownlands trying to oppress what remains of the League, so this post has become necessary and the system has become useful again. That said, I think I need to explain the Holy League in a more explicit manner, because frankly I'm looking at the current attitudes taken towards them and don't want this game to end next week when half the Lords in the Seven Kingdoms sign up to it and overthrow Blackfyre. So take that as a free hint. I don't think those tasked with responding to the League understand what they're dealing with and so I don't think I'll get anything except huge tantrums in the OOC thread if I let those responsible keep approaching this from the direction they're approaching it from and produce the results my system says it will produce. Below I'll try to outline in the vaguest possible sense how I'm treating this, and be aware that each and every single AI Lord that follows the Seven is eligible under my system. The Holy League can grow and shrink, do not mistake the current strength of the organisation as a high tide mark, never again to be exceeded. So to start: what is the Holy League? It isn't a formal organisation, it isn't like the Knights Templar or Lords Declarant. It's a name used to describe those Lords that are unusually devout in their faith. It is not new nor is it surprising that in a Medieval world some people take their faith very, very seriously: crusades were signed up to by tens of thousands on the back of it, excommunication carried real weight because of it, the Catholic Church grew hugely powerful well beyond the geographic size and clout of the Papal States because of it. The Holy League simply represents those Lords who treat everything as a religious issue rather than a political one, who are more concerned with their immortal soul than in their King's opinion of them.

Growth/Shrink criteria

The Holy League will grow if: - Actions taken against it are perceived to have been taken because of it. Oppressing or attacking the Holy Lords just because they're Holy Lords will anger normal that follow the Seven: they'll see it as an attack on their right to adhere to the Faith. This will depend who is taking the action. - The Oldtown High Septon is seen to be influential, successful, or important in the realm's affairs or locally in building influence and power. The Holy League will shrink if: - Actions taken by members of the Holy League are seen as not in keeping with the Faith. - The Oldtown High Septon is seen as incompetent, unimportant, or incapable in the realm's affairs, or is seen to be saying or doing things not in keeping with the Faith. * * * * * * * * * The Fellowship of the Seven will grow if: - Actions taken against it are perceived to have been taken because of it. Oppressing or attacking the Fellowship just because they're in the Fellowship will anger normal Lords that follow the Seven: they'll see it as an attack on their right to adhere to the Faith. This will depend who is taking the action. - The King's Landing High Septon is seen to be influential, successful, or important in the realm's affairs or locally in building influence and power. The Fellowship will shrink if: - Actions taken by members of the Fellowship are seen as not in keeping with the Faith. - The King's Landing High Septon is seen as incompetent, unimportant, or incapable in the realm's affairs, or is seen to be saying or doing things not in keeping with the Faith.

Religious Faction Membership

Holy League (Loyal to the Oldtown Septonate) Reach Uplands Inchfield Smithyton Holyhall Roseford Stormlands Rainhouse Broad Arch Blue Grove Rainwood Riverlands Shoreham Crownlands Farring Cross Claw Isle Hayford Rook's Rest Byford Mosborough Dalston Keep Wendwater Edgerton South Cracklaw Whispers The Fellowship of the Seven (Loyal to the King's Landing Septonate) Stormlands Broad Arch Reach Westbrook Sommerset Goldengrove Harpshire Crownlands Dalston Keep Driftmark Sweetport Sound Langward Hall Massey's Hook Wendwater Hayford Sow's Horn

Impacts

The religious factions will have -15 to rolls for any interactions with their enemy parties, and will not pay taxes. For the Holy League this means House Blackfyre and people perceived to be lackeys of that House. The Oldtown High Septon may identify more enemies by excommunicating them. For the Fellowship that means the Holy League. The King's Landing High Septon may identify more enemies by excommunicating them.

Secular Factions

The Lords Declarant of the Riverlands

A group formed in outrage over House Tully's theft of Wayfarer's Rest from House Vance on legally unsupportable grounds. These Lords, vassals of House Tully, believe that Lord Warrick Tully has become a tyrant, believing he can ignore the rights of noble Houses within the Riverlands in order to satisfy his own hunger for land and power. Members Seagard (High Lord) Stilfen (High Lord) Kanet High Heart Growth/Shrink conditions The Lords Declarant will grow if: - House Tully carries out further acts of tyranny, including taking more land without proper justification or attacking the Lords Declarant due to their stance. The Lords Declarant will shrink if: - House Vance are restored to their lands.

[Lucius Malfoy]

Uh, Poach, Whispers is a ruined holdfast. It has no ruler.

[Poach]

Still has a local population and minor nobles or knights. That it's a ruined holdfast gives you a very easy way to get it off that list is all, I suppose.

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[Lucius Malfoy]

Still has a local population and minor nobles or knights. That it's a ruined holdfast gives you a very easy way to get it off that list is all, I suppose.

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It would make sense to remove it. I mean I can't get anything of value from it save the defensive bonus for putting a garrison there.

[Trot]

It would make sense to remove it. I mean I can't get anything of value from it save the defensive bonus for putting a garrison there.

Give it to one of your supporters from the rebellion to rebuild . It kills two birds with one stone that way.

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[Barry Goldwater]

Welp, it would've been nice to know all of this from the beginning. Nonetheless, what's done is done I suppose, I'm willing to keep rolling with the Holy Lord RP & my own mistakes in the Byford thread.

[Poach]

Welp, it would've been nice to know all of this from the beginning. Nonetheless, what's done is done I suppose, I'm willing to keep rolling with the Holy Lord RP & my own mistakes in the Byford thread.

I didn't want to give it out because people would metagame with it, and that can be seen with your own Darklyn now having drastically changed their tune since I posted this. I'm happy to let that particular one go though because as a group the powers that be seem to have totally failed to grasp what they're dealing with and are approaching it the way you'd approach it if you wanted to plunge Westeros into a religious civil war.

This post set out the Holy League's conditions, and it was clear that their main mechanical actions were:

- A -15 roll to the King's commands unless the High Septon approves of them. That itself should tell you they're not actively a rebel faction: it wouldn't even be rolled for them to agree to the King's commands if they were an active rebel faction.
- Collective defence.

That has (somehow) morphed into the idea that they're an actively rebellious faction that is still fighting Daemon and they appear to be being treated as a static force who can never grow in size and that if you just march up to their gates and slaughter them all the problem will be solved.

With this post I'm trying to nudge you away from treating them so simplistically. This is supposed to be a complex dynamic that very much can explode into a major, dynasty-threatening movement should it be mismanaged. I just don't want to see that mismanagement happening because you're all making bad OOC conclusions rather than bad IC ones.

[Barry Goldwater]

I didn't want to give it out because people would metagame with it, and that can be seen with your own Darklyn now having drastically changed their tune since I posted this. I'm happy to let that particular one go though because as a group the powers that be seem to have totally failed to grasp what they're dealing with and are approaching it the way you'd approach it if you wanted to plunge Westeros into a religious civil war.

This post set out the Holy League's conditions, and it was clear that their main mechanical actions were:

- A -15 roll to the King's commands unless the High Septon approves of them. That itself should tell you they're not actively a rebel faction: it wouldn't even be rolled for them to agree to the King's commands if they were an active rebel faction.
- Collective defence.

That has (somehow) morphed into the idea that they're an actively rebellious faction that is still fighting Daemon and they appear to be being treated as a static force who can never grow in size and that if you just march up to their gates and slaughter them all the problem will be solved.

With this post I'm trying to nudge you away from treating them so simplistically. This is supposed to be a complex dynamic that very much can explode into a major, dynasty-threatening movement should it be mismanaged. I just don't want to see that mismanagement happening because you're all making bad OOC conclusions rather than bad IC ones.

Can't speak for anyone else, but my initial misunderstanding of the Holy League situation came down to three things:

1) The lack of an official surrender, or even an unofficial one, from the High Septon & remaining Holy Lords. They seemed to just remain silent after the war ended, which I interpreted as them sitting tight in their castles/the Starry Sept and refusing to acknowledge Blackfyre's authority even if they didn't actively move against him in the field.
2) There being no post explaining the nature of the post-war Holy League to my knowledge until now, the 'aftermath of the Great Sept' OP remained unedited post-war so I had assumed it'd only apply to the pre-war/a hypothetical post-Baratheon victory Holy League & the last post in that thread was just a list of the Holy Lords that had remained in the league post-war.
3) Lord Footly going berserk when Perry's Tarly came to Tumbleton.

I freely admit that I would've approached Hayford differently had I been aware they weren't actually in open rebellion from the start, since I'm playing Lord Darklyn as a pious and diplomatic (at least to the faithful) lord after the Blackfyre victory. But that's all water under the bridge, I understand the situation as it stands now and as I've said earlier, I am committed to trying to fix things IC instead of asking for a retcon or moping OOC On another read-through I can see how my last post in the Byford thread might be a tad metagamey, though I can't really think of a better way to phrase what I wanted to say IC & I don't think it's exactly a character 180 for Darklyn to propose slamming the brakes on the anti-Holy League train since he's been trying to take a pretty light-handed approach (no random stormings of more castles, compromising with the Hayford castellan, treating the lord's daughter gently, etc.) to the Holy Lords this entire time.

[Lucius Malfoy]

Tried and failed, but there are a couple more options that come to mind.

[Poach]

I can think of someone who'd take it quite happily [emoji14]

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[Trot]

I can think of someone who'd take it quite happily [emoji14]

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So can I

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[Lucius Malfoy]

Well I was already considering Donnel, Thorgen, Jonos, and the Lashare's kids.

[Pericles of Athens]

Yeah Tarly came to parlay, even if he always meant to kill the guy, and Footly tried to murder him while he was under the rainbow flag of the faith. That seems like something a faithful wouldn't do.

[The Mad Skylord]

That isn't entirely true. Being faithful doesn't mean you have to be honourable.

[Pericles of Athens]

Yeah.. it definitely shouldn't make people not associated with the radicals be like "yeah those guys seem reasonable, I should join up".

[Poach]

Following the announcement of the new High Septon in King's Landing, a few Holy League lords switch sides while many on-the-fence Lords also declare their faith in the new High Septon. A schism in the Faith of the Seven, thus far limited to the Crownlands and Reach, has developed. These Lords are now loyal to House Blackfyre and will oppose the Holy League should it ever act militarily. The King's Landing High Septon has ample volunteers to found a competing Warrior's Sons of 500 Elite Infantry should be elect to do so. The King, obviously, can oppose or condone that move.

[Poach]

Following House Tully taking possession of Stone Hedge and subsequently stripping the minor House Vance of their property, a number of House Tully's vassals have banded together and sent a declaration to Riverrun, decrying Lord Warrick as tyrannical and greedy. They demand House Vance be reinstated as Lords of Wayfarer's Rest.

Like the two Faith of the Seven factions, these Lords have a -15 modifier to being called to arms until their demands are met. Amusingly I was heavily restricted in who I can roll for because the number of player HLs in the Riverlands is very high. Tully, Tully of Stone Hedge, Frey, Blackwood, Whent, Piper... It's a busy region!

Player HLs can obviously side with this group or not. It will further weaken House Tully which will only serve to make House Frey all the more dominant in the Riverlands.

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[The Mad Skylord]

My God, Poach. You do like your leagues this game.

[mic1402]

also wouldn't this League be angry at the freys as well for taking Wayfarer's Rest? also Mallister shouldn't be in this League as they are allied with the freys, as such benefit from this event.

[Poach]

I find it's an easy way to represent interest groups Skylord. Paradox games make effective use of them.

Mic, Tully awarded it to the Freys: Tully stripped the Vances not Frey.

All NPC houses vassalised to Tully were rolled. Mallister doesn't benefit, Frey does. Mallister can still regard it as a betrayal of customs even if an ally benefits, especially considering Vance was only targeted because Tully wanted Stone Hedge for themselves. The greed motivating the deal is obvious.

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